my wife wouldn't fall for that.I keep telling mine I find this stuff at the goodwill or dollar general. ….so far so good.
There’s no fallin for nothing..my wife wouldn't fall for that.
I say - "that solar stuff belongs to the company dear, paid with before-tax dollars and all written off anyway."![]()
Again.... there is a ton of trash talk about AIOs that are indeed all made in China. Now can we discuss where Victron is made? Oh , hey, China, Malaysia and India.... So AIO are cheap junk and Victron is perfect.?? My point is that there is a TON of trash talk that AIOs are junk, but I have seen nothing substantial to back up the claim.Ditch the most solid and stable system on the market with decades of proven results for a Chinese AIO thats brand new. What's the real world idle consumption of your AIO?
Because you don't live in an RV and do not understand consumption options therein? I suck up around 3500 watt hours a day, and that excludes A/C.It’s an RV…
I love the idea of tier one as much as the next guy but why people think a 7-10k system is necessary for an RV Is beyond me
I have lived in an RV for the last 2 years…Because you don't live in an RV and do not understand consumption options therein? I suck up around 3500 watt hours a day, and that excludes A/C.
See my previous comment of using 3500 watt hours a day.I have lived in an RV for the last 2 years…
It's not about where they're assembled but where they're designed and Who designs them. You can get a steak at Applebee's or at Ruth Chris's.Again.... there is a ton of trash talk about AIOs that are indeed all made in China. Now can we discuss where Victron is made? Oh , hey, China, Malaysia and India.... So AIO are cheap junk and Victron is perfect.?? My point is that there is a TON of trash talk that AIOs are junk, but I have seen nothing substantial to back up the claim.
..and to clarify... Victron is good stuff, but it isn't feasible for all due to the cost. I didn't have more than what I spent, and I had to spend over a year saving up to put it all together. I appreciate that Victron is good stuff, but I also believe that AIOs can work for far less money and they have not been proven to be untrustworthy.
@Will Prowse I would love to see some long term tests on the 3000-6000w AIOs.... maybe even setup on vibration tables with heat extremes... etc
I don't want 2x100 no matter how cheap they are.Too much premium on those "fancy" 200W panels, here's the sweet spot that I could find:
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Mine was designed by the Germans..... so that refutes that one....It's not about where they're assembled but where they're designed and Who designs them. You can get a steak at Applebee's or at Ruth Chris's.
My system sucks about 70watts at idle, but considering the size and consumption of my system, it is a drop in the bucket and inconsequential... Oh and my system is running 24/7 so there is no idle time..... next!My 5kw inverters have a idle consumption of 40w each.
Victron is 5year warranty by default and you can get them with a 10yr.
So are mine...All their specs and efficiency rating charts are posted
Which AIO do you have? I'd love to compare the efficiency specs but never found an AIO with real data.Mine was designed by the Germans..... so that refutes that one....
My system sucks about 70watts at idle, but considering the size and consumption of my system, it is a drop in the bucket and inconsequential... Oh and my system is running 24/7 so there is no idle time..... next!
..and there you do have me.... I am my warranty.... I will mention that if I smoke my BMS for ANY REASON, the mfg will replace, no questions asked. I also used grade A cells....
So are mine...
Look... all of the above is you clamoring about how great Victron is, but you present nothing to say that AIOs are a bad choice. You are doing nothing but fear mongering... as for prices... Victron is not just a little more....
AIOs get a bad rap, but no one seems to have any real world experience with them going bad.....
The generation before the 6000XP would seem to answer this question?Look... all of the above is you clamoring about how great Victron is, but you present nothing to say that AIOs are a bad choice. You are doing nothing but fear mongering... as for prices... Victron is not just a little more....
AIOs get a bad rap, but no one seems to have any real world experience with them going bad.....
I think it's more accurate to say issues with some brands of AIOs. Many people are running Sol-Arks and the 18k (sorry Tim) with no issue.There are plenty of threads about issues with AOIs. There are others that have had success.
I think cheapest equivalent RV solar system will be 3x 400W $156 panels, $468 total. Run 9x LF304K cells in series for 30.6V charging voltage direct from panels wired in parallel and without MPPT but via simple DC contactor controlled by battery voltage detector to protect cells from overcharging. That would get you within 94% of MPPT in full sun without the expense. For the price of 24V 50A MPPT you could add another 400W panel and capture ~20% more energy vs. 3x panels + MPPT. Most 24V inverters should handle 31.5V input at 3.5V/cell. Nice thing about staying at 29V nominal vs. 51V is stepping down to 12V via buck DC-DC converters is much more efficient.
I like it cheap and simple (and efficient)Dayum... you've gone old school...
I was looking at a Victron document regarding applications for hybrid generator designs, I think claim was each battery kWh saved a liter of fuel in the generator based on not having to run full time.the OP was about solar vs gas geny costs. gas generator produces about 4-7 kwh per gallon, smaller gens are less efficient. the last pic i saw showed they had 1200 watts of solar, depending on location that will yield an average of 6-6.6 kwh per day so likely more than what one gallon will produce with that generator, however, it is unlikely they will use every photon every day so lets just say that solar system equals one gallon of gas per day. right now average price is 3.63 and rising but based on where you are the price is around 3-5 dollars. it is unlikely they will be camping everyday so lets just use 300 days. that will be $900-$1500 per year in gas so in a few years the solar will be cheaper.