Free Power???

[Deleted member 1888]

Im wondering if there is any truth to this, it looks like the alternator is putting out more power than it needs to run. So by having it power an inverter and then the inverter powering the alternator you can have infinite free power. Has anyone tested this or is it all BS?

 

[MichaelK]

Yeah, sure, it's real! Withdraw every single penny in your bank account to invest in this now! Get in on the ground floor on the next best thing since sliced bread!

 

[JoeHam]

Finally. Perpetual motion!

 

[Craig]

The funny thing is when I was in the 5th grade I tried to create the exact same thing. I couldn't figure out why it wouldn't work. Till I was told if I could get it to work I would be richest man in the world. I'm still not rich lol

 

[Forbisher]

There is no free lunch.

 

[Andal Solar]

There is no such thing as a perpetual motion machine. Every machine in the world will have losses from friction on the moving parts, the sound created, etc. This means that machines will need constant energy input to keep it moving, similar to that setup.

 

[FilterGuy]

There is no such thing as a perpetual motion machine.

WHAT?????? OMG!!!! there goes my life savings!!!

 

[svetz]

Hang tough FilterGuy! There are things that appear to be perpetual and are as good-as. For example, a steel pipe expands and contracts with temperature, the longer the pipe the greater the motion. So, you can get work from the expansion due to the heat of the day/contraction due to the cool of the night by permanently affixing one end and letting the other end turn a dynamo as it glides past (you get power in the push and pull cycles if geared properly). There's a heck of lot of force behind that (pipes not engineered correctly have been known to punch through concrete) and it's surprisingly efficient. Yeah, it's really just a solar energy converter, not perpetual, but last I heard the Sun will last for a long time. Not saying I did this in 5th grade like Craig or that solar panels wouldn't be easier.

When you think about it, the sun provides the power to evolve and maintain all life on earth, runs the weather systems on all the planets, helps block cosmic rays from sterilizing our solar system, and probably dozens of other miracles. It might not last forever, but it's been around a long time. So, solar energy is the next best thing to free power, but not perpetual motion as the sun will eventually consume all it's fuel.

Does free power actually exist? The reason people staunchly say the perpetual motion doesn't exist is that the concept breaks the laws of thermodynamics, mainly the one that says entropy is always >= 0. But, at the quantum level a lot of traditional physics break down. So, someday, when we know more, it might be possible.

 

[WoodsieLord]

youtube videos about free energy and perpetual motion disobey the laws of thermodynamics since they multiply without control. If there could be a way to harness energy from those videos, the solar industry would be in serious trouble.

now seriously, I've been searching a lot about a flywheel battery that would actually work. But apparently you need magnetic levitation vacuum and work for NASA to achieve something. My dreams, crushed mercilessly just like those free energy devices get beaten by the laws of physics in a dark, dark alley.

 

[Deleted member 1888]

So looks like this was a stupid question on my part, guess i still have a long way to go.

 

[svetz]

So looks like this was a stupid question on my part, guess i still have a long way to go.

Hardly. First off your pretty smart just for asking questions!

Now you know that classical thermodynamics scoffs at the notion of perpetual notion. You also know that it might be possible with quantum physics magic some day. And, you've learned that there is a lot of energy out there just waiting to be tapped if you can but figure out how (usually it all comes from solar energy, not all ... for example geothermal is actually nuclear energy...oh yeah... the sun is nuclear power too). For example solar panels are "free energy" (once you've paid for the panels), or @Jay2020's air-voltage, or the steel pipe example above. Heck, just eating an apple you plucked off a tree is free energy (if you didn't own the tree it might be stolen energy). BTW, that's free energy as in energy you pay for, not to be confused with classical thermodynamic's Gibbs free energy.

 

[Supervstech]

So looks like this was a stupid question on my part, guess i still have a long way to go.

No... you don’t know if you don’t ask. Better to ask than to spend money trying to duplicate this setup...

my auto garage was actually trying to build one of these when I showed him on paper why it could never work... he still thinks it should. But he stopped trying to build it.

 

[erik.calco]

I'm working on a device that converts internet opinions into usable energy.

 

[Supervstech]

I'm working on a device that converts internet opinions into usable energy.

My GOD! The mother load!

 

[Forbisher]

So looks like this was a stupid question on my part, guess i still have a long way to go.

You questioned that free energy video so you are on the right track.
Google is pretty much free these days.

How do free energy machines work?

Free energy machines do not work. No machine can create energy out of nothing, as this would violate the law of mass-energy conservation, which is ...

wtamu.edu

When the inventor of a "free energy" or "over unity" machine claims that his invention really creates energy out of nothing, he is either deluding himself or is outright lying to take advantage of others.

The self-delusion usually happens because the inventor does not realize the large amount of external energy he has put into his machine to turn it on, which is more than he could ever get out.
A straight-forward measurement of all the energy being inputted to his machine and all the energy being outputted would quickly reveal no actual free energy.
But doing real science is hard, so countless "inventors" tinker in their garage and think that "pretty spinning wheel" = "free energy" without doing any actual measurements.
For those who do take actual measurements, they think they are always just one step behind from reaching over-unity performance; believing that adding just one more complicated gadget to their machine will put them over the top, when in fact they never actually reach a free-energy result.

 

[erik.calco]

LOL best YT comment:



The battery can easily be in that yellow thing. Often these fake demos hide batteries.

 

[Knighthawk]

Only free power I have found is from my neighbor's house....

 

[Supervstech]

LOL best YT comment:

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The battery can easily be in that yellow thing. Often these fake demos hide batteries.

Unlikely... far too complicated for this scam... more likely is there is a cord under the dirt feeding electricity up one of the legs of the stand all this is bolted to.

 

[Deleted member 1888]

Hardly. First off your pretty smart just for asking questions!

Now you know that classical thermodynamics scoffs at the notion of perpetual notion. You also know that it might be possible with quantum physics magic some day. And, you've learned that there is a lot of energy out there just waiting to be tapped if you can but figure out how (usually it all comes from solar energy, not all ... for example geothermal is actually nuclear energy). For example solar panels are "free energy" (once you've paid for the panels), or @Jay2020's air-voltage, or the steel pipe example above. Heck, just eating an apple you plucked off a tree is free energy (if you didn't own the tree it might be stolen energy). BTW, that's free energy as in energy you pay for, not to be confused with classical thermodynamic's Gibbs free energy.

I know but it still seems like im getting roasted here.

 

[Forbisher]

Maybe if one could put strong magnets - neodymiums - spinning against each other in a vacuum environment then that could possibly produce a "perpetual motion" machine and one could bleed the electricity from that!

Or if the above was put into a total vacuum environment then it may work.

Not surprising that a conspiracy guy like you thinks "perpetual motion" is a possibility.

Some people misunderstand vacuum energy and believe it is a form of free energy that can be extracted.

An absolute vacuum indeed contains quantum fluctuations, but these do not constitute usable energy.
The effects of vacuum energy are already factored into everyday reactions.
In the strict sense, you are already using the effects of vacuum energy every time you light a candle or drive your car, but there is still no permanent removal of energy from the vacuum.

Every particle is "dressed" or surrounded by a cloud of quantum fluctuations in addition to its regular fields.

If you were somehow to remove the cloud, the particle would be left naked and would interact very differently with the world.
The mass-energy gained by removing the cloud would cancel the mass-energy lost by changing the way the particle interacts with the world, so in the end mass-energy would still be conserved.

You would still end up with the total energy created from nothing equaling zero