Factory400
Solar Enthusiast
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- Jul 15, 2020
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The main problem is that I only want 2 wires coming from my battery V+ and V-.
I also want a standole system. Not a system that requieres comunication with the other parts. When you talk about failsafe the last thing you can do is trust in other components using comunication. In terms of informative during normal operation is good to talk with other components but in case of fail I do not think so.
In my opinion not having mosfet in the power path is completly impossible. Yes, you can avoid them in the BMS but we are forgeting that chargers and inverters are SMPS completly done with FETs. Dozens of them. The reason of failure, shorting drain to source, is the overvoltage in the gate. This can happend due to transients. It can happend in duty cycle operations like SMPS but in steady state operations like a BMS this is not a source of failure. Another source of failen is high transient in the V drain source voltage but using 100V rated voltage fets in 48v applications is not common. This happens because the transient is coupled into the gate capacitancy bringing us the previous scenario. But in the end all this failures come from a non adequate use of the mosfet, not from a random failure.
I do not want to say that failing fets is a myth but reminds me to the accidents produced by battery explosions. Everybody talks about them but I have never seen a explosion caused by battery failure. Everytime the reason has been inadequate use or external problems. How many times have you seen fets filing in high quality devices like Outbacks equipment?
I think mosfets are exatly the same scalable as relays. With relays you change the relay, with mosfet you put more. The problem is that normally manufacturers don´t do BMS flexible enough to add more mosfets. Many people just add BMS in parallel.
Pretty much agree with all of that.
In MOSFET world.....switching many hundreds of amp is not a problem and the overall solution size is much smaller and more reliable than relays.
The designer needs to decide early on how much thermal rise is accessible and then is a matter of choosing appropriate devices and the appropriate qty of them in parallel to get the circuit ESR at whatever level is needed. If using high-side gate drivers, there are a lot of amazing devices to choose from.
I would only use relays for total isolation safety but only zero current flow.