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System Layout Questions Sol Ark 15k and EG4 Batteries

I guess I’m missing something. Why would you have 12 100Ah batteries in two cabinets with all the associated cables, lugs, and cabinets when you could have just six 200 Ah batteries? Seems like a lot of unnecessary points of failure and much more expense. I have 928 AH here (btw those are Victron Power Ins modified with 300A mega fuses for each battery):
What kind of batteries do you have, I can't tell what they are from the picture?

While I understand your suggestion that points of failure (POF) increase however if everything is tight and properly installed the increased POF is really a minimal issue. Having more batteries that are cost-effective is still an economical way to get similar output for the best price.
 
What kind of batteries do you have, I can't tell what they are from the picture?

While I understand your suggestion that points of failure (POF) increase however if everything is tight and properly installed the increased POF is really a minimal issue. Having more batteries that are cost-effective is still an economical way to get similar output for the best price.
Fault tolerance also increases with more batteries.
 
I guess I’m missing something. Why would you have 12 100Ah batteries in two cabinets with all the associated cables, lugs, and cabinets when you could have just six 200 Ah batteries? Seems like a lot of unnecessary points of failure and much more expense. I have 928 AH here (btw those are Victron Power Ins modified with 300A mega fuses for each battery):
What kind of batteries are those that you have in the picture?
 
What kind of batteries do you have, I can't tell what they are from the picture?

While I understand your suggestion that points of failure (POF) increase however if everything is tight and properly installed the increased POF is really a minimal issue. Having more batteries that are cost-effective is still an economical way to get similar output for the best price.
So I went with Trophy Batteries. Not a single complaint at this point. I guess my question is why have 12 separate pieces of equipment (12 BMS’s, 24 battery connections, etc)? In my experience each piece of equipment has multiple points of possible failure. Except for the fact that the 100 Ah batteries are lighter and easier to handle and the rack system looks great I can’t see any advantage. I have 4 batteries with a combined Ah of 928 now. Every battery cable is a potential point of failure too. Trophy now has a 300 Ah monster so 4 of those will equal 12 of yours. Less is more in my book. And if you have any issue 4 pieces of equipment are easier to troubleshoot than 12. Not even mentioning comms. That’s a whole discussion in itself.
 
So I went with Trophy Batteries. Not a single complaint at this point. I guess my question is why have 12 separate pieces of equipment (12 BMS’s, 24 battery connections, etc)? In my experience each piece of equipment has multiple points of possible failure. Except for the fact that the 100 Ah batteries are lighter and easier to handle and the rack system looks great I can’t see any advantage. I have 4 batteries with a combined Ah of 928 now. Every battery cable is a potential point of failure too. Trophy now has a 300 Ah monster so 4 of those will equal 12 of yours. Less is more in my book. And if you have any issue 4 pieces of equipment are easier to troubleshoot than 12. Not even mentioning comms. That’s a whole discussion in itself.
Those batteries are pretty awesome, for only a few cents more they're pretty nice. It's certainly given me something to consider, the 300amp looks awesome but it's like 250lbs... wow, gonna have to watch the fingers with two maybe three people helping you move it. I don't see Trophy listed as one of the batteries that Sol-Ark talks to for BMS. Do you happen to have that working with the Sol-Ark? Also, would you happen to have a wiring diagram for your setup?? It's kinda hard to follow the wires from your pictures.
 
Those batteries are pretty awesome, for only a few cents more they're pretty nice. It's certainly given me something to consider, the 300amp looks awesome but it's like 250lbs... wow, gonna have to watch the fingers with two maybe three people helping you move it. I don't see Trophy listed as one of the batteries that Sol-Ark talks to for BMS. Do you happen to have that working with the Sol-Ark? Also, would you happen to have a wiring diagram for your setup?? It's kinda hard to follow the wires from your pictures.
Mine are like 175 lbs a piece and we used a skid steer to unload the pallets. Then a hand truck to get them into the equipment room then a floor Jack to lift them up on to our shelves. They come very well packed. Shipping was insanely quick ordered on a Friday showed up on Tuesday. Support has been outstanding.
 

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Those batteries are pretty awesome, for only a few cents more they're pretty nice. It's certainly given me something to consider, the 300amp looks awesome but it's like 250lbs... wow, gonna have to watch the fingers with two maybe three people helping you move it. I don't see Trophy listed as one of the batteries that Sol-Ark talks to for BMS. Do you happen to have that working with the Sol-Ark? Also, would you happen to have a wiring diagram for your setup?? It's kinda hard to follow the wires from your pictures.
Ok now to the wiring part. I don’t have a diagram but this is what I did. I bought 2 Victron Power In’s from Amazon $156 ea. I modified them to accept Mega Fuses. You can used the Victron Distributor but it’s $225 ea and I didn’t need the extra electronics. Since I planned to have six batteries total I needed two. They interconnect so you can add as many Power In’s as you need. I brought (4) 4/0 (2 neg/2 pos equal length) from the Sol Ark to the Victrons. I landed the 2 positives one on each end of the positive bus. I would have treated the 2 negatives from the Sol Ark the same way but I wanted to have a Victron Shunt. So I brought the 2 Negatives from the Sol Ark and landed both stacked onto the shunt. I attached the other end of the shunt to the negative bus bar. Each Victron Power In has 4 connections. I used 2 power Ins so I have 8 positions to work with. Two were used for the Sol Ark connections so it left me with 6 positions to land batteries. I can add another Power In if I ever need to. Now I then figured the distance for my farthest battery (ended up being 68 1/2”) and made up my 4/0 cables with 5/16” lugs from each battery back to the Power In’s. I bought the lugs, covers and heat shrink on Amazon. I can’t remember where I ended up buying the Victron 48v 300 amp mega fuses from. So the only thing I really don’t like is the cable management. Using 4/0 there is really no good solution to keeping it neat and tight with all cables being equal length. I don’t think it looks awful but not as neat looking as a cabinet. However it is very efficient with low loss. When I charge my batteries at 275a I get about a 3-5 degree increase in wire temp. I placed the Temp sensor that comes with the Sol Ark in the toroidals within my trough. Hope this makes sense. If not let me know. For your racking, I bought a heavy duty 24” deep shelving unit at Walmart. My second choice was a super heavy duty shelving unit by DeWalt found at Home Depot. They were about $100 difference. The one I bought is rated 800 lbs per shelf.
 

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Ok now to the wiring part. I don’t have a diagram but this is what I did. I bought 2 Victron Power In’s from Amazon $156 ea. I modified them to accept Mega Fuses. You can used the Victron Distributor but it’s $225 ea and I didn’t need the extra electronics. Since I planned to have six batteries total I needed two. They interconnect so you can add as many Power In’s as you need. I brought (4) 4/0 (2 neg/2 pos equal length) from the Sol Ark to the Victrons. I landed the 2 positives one on each end of the positive bus. I would have treated the 2 negatives from the Sol Ark the same way but I wanted to have a Victron Shunt. So I brought the 2 Negatives from the Sol Ark and landed both stacked onto the shunt. I attached the other end of the shunt to the negative bus bar. Each Victron Power In has 4 connections. I used 2 power Ins so I have 8 positions to work with. Two were used for the Sol Ark connections so it left me with 6 positions to land batteries. I can add another Power In if I ever need to. Now I then figured the distance for my farthest battery (ended up being 68 1/2”) and made up my 4/0 cables with 5/16” lugs from each battery back to the Power In’s. I bought the lugs, covers and heat shrink on Amazon. I can’t remember where I ended up buying the Victron 48v 300 amp mega fuses from. So the only thing I really don’t like is the cable management. Using 4/0 there is really no good solution to keeping it neat and tight with all cables being equal length. I don’t think it looks awful but not as neat looking as a cabinet. However it is very efficient with low loss. When I charge my batteries at 275a I get about a 3-5 degree increase in wire temp. I placed the Temp sensor that comes with the Sol Ark in the toroidals within my trough. Hope this makes sense. If not let me know. For your racking, I bought a heavy duty 24” deep shelving unit at Walmart. My second choice was a super heavy duty shelving unit by DeWalt found at Home Depot. They were about $100 difference. The one I bought is rated 800 lbs per shelf.

Victron Energy Lynx Power in Battery Connector https://a.co/d/5TIwREO


I also used Ancor marine grade 4/0 wire and lugs. It is super premium stuff and all tin plated lugs and wire so no issues with corrosion. Surprisingly I found a lot of difference between 4/0 lugs. I bought some cheaper ones on Amazon but they were very thin. I wanted to keep resistance levels similar so I just stuck with the Ancor. They are all UL listed and very heavy duty. I used a hydraulic crimper on all my lugs and torqued to specification
 
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Ok now to the wiring part. I don’t have a diagram but this is what I did. I bought 2 Victron Power In’s from Amazon $156 ea. I modified them to accept Mega Fuses. You can used the Victron Distributor but it’s $225 ea and I didn’t need the extra electronics. Since I planned to have six batteries total I needed two. They interconnect so you can add as many Power In’s as you need. I brought (4) 4/0 (2 neg/2 pos equal length) from the Sol Ark to the Victrons. I landed the 2 positives one on each end of the positive bus. I would have treated the 2 negatives from the Sol Ark the same way but I wanted to have a Victron Shunt. So I brought the 2 Negatives from the Sol Ark and landed both stacked onto the shunt. I attached the other end of the shunt to the negative bus bar. Each Victron Power In has 4 connections. I used 2 power Ins so I have 8 positions to work with. Two were used for the Sol Ark connections so it left me with 6 positions to land batteries. I can add another Power In if I ever need to. Now I then figured the distance for my farthest battery (ended up being 68 1/2”) and made up my 4/0 cables with 5/16” lugs from each battery back to the Power In’s. I bought the lugs, covers and heat shrink on Amazon. I can’t remember where I ended up buying the Victron 48v 300 amp mega fuses from. So the only thing I really don’t like is the cable management. Using 4/0 there is really no good solution to keeping it neat and tight with all cables being equal length. I don’t think it looks awful but not as neat looking as a cabinet. However it is very efficient with low loss. When I charge my batteries at 275a I get about a 3-5 degree increase in wire temp. I placed the Temp sensor that comes with the Sol Ark in the toroidals within my trough. Hope this makes sense. If not let me know. For your racking, I bought a heavy duty 24” deep shelving unit at Walmart. My second choice was a super heavy duty shelving unit by DeWalt found at Home Depot. They were about $100 difference. The one I bought is rated 800 lbs per shelf.
So if I'm following you, basically like this, which leaves you one more input on each (I used the wrong Victron image) for positive and two more negatives? I know I left out that little negative shunt thing.
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So if I'm following you, basically like this, which leaves you one more input on each (I used the wrong Victron image) for positive and two more negatives? I know I left out that little negative shunt thing.
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That’s pretty much it. If you don’t want to use a Victron Shunt then land the negatives from the Sol Ark with the positives on each end of the bus.
 
That’s pretty much it. If you don’t want to use a Victron Shunt then land the negatives from the Sol Ark with the positives on each end of the bus.
I'm a visual guy, so I'm assuming this is kinda what you're talking about, which makes the wiring a little more strait forward to follow as the connection points feed left to right and over to the Sol-Ark.

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Rough but you get the idea
 

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So if you wire like this you start with 8 positions to make connections. 2 will be taken by the Sol Ark leaving 6 open for batteries. Now I’m not saying you couldn’t attach both positives and both negatives to the exposed bus bars on one end of the Power Ins. Probably would be fine. I just decided to feed the bus from each end for more even power distribution. If you did use the bus connections on the ends then yes you would have room for 8 batteries. I think it would be fine actually.
 
I think this would be fine maybe someone with more technical knowledge can jump in and comment.
@jfpetesn , thanks so much for your time today, I really appreciate the collaboration, super cool stuff and I'm really excited to try mine in the future when my full off-grid home is completed.

I'm always a fan of verbal communication, so if you ever wanna talk shop or shoot the shit, hit me up and I'll drop you my number. Cheers and thank you!!
 
Always glad to help. I just completed my upgrade in September. I redid our 8 yo Grid Tied system. I ended up doing 90% of it myself and it works beautifully. The storage is a thing of beauty. We live near St Louis. Where are you? Wouldn’t be Hawaii would it?
 
I'm in between Las Vegas, San Diego, and our under-construction home in San Felipe Mexico. Where we're building there is no grid, so we've got to bring the solar. There are peeps down there doing it, but many are really vendor allegiant and I'm not sure they're looking at what's cutting edge in the states. So I'm doing my homework to design it all out, and then make sure the house has all holes, ports, plugs, grounds, etc for everything to drop in nicely.
 
Not limited to outside the USA. The company that installed my original system 8 yrs ago wanted nothing to do with this upgrade. If I didn’t want A: a new system, B: Tesla Power Wall or C: Generac system they were out. So I said fine and did it myself.
 
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