I do have a beef with Michael, he went to a new supplier and placed a large order without doing enough due diligence. He said they were new cells, tested & choice of studs. I got used cells with the wrong stud size. 8 of 32 were in that condition and the rest either didn't arrive (8) or were damaged beyond safe use.
I didn't go with Michael to save a few bucks. I went with him because he used good suppliers. Sorry but Michael got taken and he will have to shoulder some of the loss.
Just because its called a group buy that doesn't mean Micheal is absolved of any liability. If he wants to run his business as a group buy club (and benefit from some people thinking he is just doing us all a favor) then I would suggest he needs a waiver of liability (for his own protection). BTW if he did present me with a waiver I would have gone elsewhere.
It seems like the first guy to receive damaged cells is still without resolution 60 DAYS later (that's <1 star service. Right?). Michael may be doing all he can but it is a far cry from what he should be doing.
Sorry but this to me says I need someone to blame and Michael is the easiest. What is with the entitlement and need for instant results from people now in days. I'm sorry but yes Michael is the middle man. And yes he used a new supplier. No one ever said Michael's hookups was the best. We are dealing with Chinese and there not the most honest.
The world we are in today is one that takes a sentence and twists and manipulates it way beyond its original meaning to get the results we want. Not exactly a moral value at all.
Not everyone can be handled at the same time. And this dude stepped up and offered the group buy so everyone can get a great price.
Sorry but if your statement was true the you didn't go with him to save money you went with him to find a good supplier then you would have chose from one of the 2 well known suppliers yourself on alibuba or the other sites.
I'm not say Mike worded himself correct. Especially in a world that will twist every word at the 1st available option to get what they want out of the situation.
I hate responding this way. This site has been great to me. But seeing people jump on the bashing ship the 1st time there's a hiccup after many many reliable transactions is crazy.
Hes sorting it out. And I wouldn't respond to a bunch of messages of people bashing and being crude after many many successful transactions either, not until I had a answer to give people.
1. You all know the risk of dealing with overseas transactions.
2. Him buying in bulk(group buy) isn't any different than you making the purchase yourself. Except hes dealing with them vs. You.
3. It's likely his own personal money your taping into when you reverse charges. As he used your money to buy the cells you requested in the group buy. So yes your likely taking his personal money.
So here's how a group buy works.
He takes a list of what's needed and gets a quote for each person.
Then he collects the money from each individual in the group buy.
Next he places the order. And pays the bill. Each personal order is shipped directly to the person and never touches the lead of the group buys hands. ( kind of a hail marry).
Now let's bring covid into place. It's world wide and slowing things down. Yet we still made the choice to order our cells and order them from the 1st effected country. Its not like ordering through Mike will bypass that.
Now we have over 200 ships waiting to port in America. Slowing things down more.
My accountability says I knew these factors and if I didn't then I'm not as smart as I think I am.
Now if he's just some Joe shmo trying to be nice and gather a group so everyone gets a great price and maybe only makes a couple hundred off the sale. Then you jump ship and start attacking his bank account, that's you taking his money. HES NOT THE SUPPLIER!!! They recieved your money that you funneled through him.
Now if Joe shmo only makes 20k a year he's likely living pay check to paycheck or close. A guy with a 100k job may have a few grand saved.
When you do a reversal your taking his money if the supplier hasn't recieved the damaged product and issued a refund to the lead of the group buy.
Your taking from his kids/family.
So please see the situation for what it is. Not turn it into what enables you to be angry and bash and get a mob fired up for a situation that is temporarily out of his control. Use some morals and have some understanding.
There has been a few including myself that has had issues and Michael went way out of his way to resolve them. If it was a scam he could have ran. Especially in my case. I gave him cash.
But he was honest and got it fixed. I did have to wait and I live offgrid meaning my battery needs was imperative. I needed them asap.
He set me up with temporary pack (Frankenstein pack) because he sympathized with my needs. And felt bad.
And now I'm setting up my new packs after waiting 6 months. But common sense told me if anything went wrong I would have to wait, considering the supplier is over seas and it takes months to just recieve a order. There are many on youtube, facebook and other site that have guys that recieved damaged,bloated cells. They were offered refund or exchange after shipping the cells back to supplier. Most just buy a replacement because return shipping sucks. And is expensive.
For a tech based group that plays and researchs these cells I'm assuming you guys are aware of these issues. But still made the choice to pull the trigger.
I hope this helps some put things into prospective. God bless.