A different way to think about climate change

[Batvette]

Seriously? Please tell me how electric cars are destabilizing the economy?

You need to get off the right wing conspiracy web sites.

FORCING Americans to turn to electric vehicles with policies that make fuel prices soar does indeed destabilize the economy.
Brandon is trying to force a green agenda with economic policies that harm Americans. Hoping misery can drive industry. They clearly are not well thought through and amount to wishful thinking with no grounds in reality.
As for right wing conspiracy sites or whether anyone replying here invests in commodoties...
Try to refrain from thinly veiled ad hominem comments, theres plenty of on topic material to use in your argumements.

 

[bradbill]

FORCING Americans to turn to electric vehicles with policies that make fuel prices soar does indeed destabilize the economy.
Brandon is trying to force a green agenda with economic policies that harm Americans. Hoping misery can drive industry. They clearly are not well thought through and amount to wishful thinking with no grounds in reality.
As for right wing conspiracy sites or whether anyone replying here invests in commodoties...
Try to refrain from thinly veiled ad hominem comments, theres plenty of on topic material to use in your argumements.

Forcing Americans? Where on earth do you get this crap? And I agree, calling him Brandon makes you look like an idiot.

LOL at the ad hominem statement. Whenever someone can't make or respond to someone they have to bring that into it.

 

[Batvette]

Whether dishonesty or ignorance was behind that reply it was wrong.

How President Biden’s Executive Orders Impact The Oil Industry

When it comes to the impact on the oil industry, President Biden's recent executive orders weren't as scary as they looked.

www.forbes.com

 

[bradbill]

LOL...I was wondering when you were going to bring in Forbes. They can't write a thing that doesn't quote studies funded by oil companies.

Ever hear of the Manhattan Institute?

 

[bradbill]

Whether dishonesty or ignorance was behind that reply it was wrong.

You apologizing?

 

[Batvette]

LOL...I was wondering when you were going to bring in Forbes. They can't write a thing that doesn't quote studies funded by oil companies.

Ever hear of the Manhattan Institute?

Source is merely used to document Bidens executive orders. Are you also denying he did not make them? Are you denying his campaign promises to enact policies to curtail fossil fuel use?

Attacking reliable sources, personal attacks... Not a good look. Sycophants of your position may not care, but thats not everyone reading.

 

[brb58]

I wonder how many people who are dead set against EVs are the same people still using flip phones and believed back in 2007 there was no way this iPhone thing is going to go anywhere.

EVs are in their infancy just like autos were at the end of the 1800s. Same thing happened back then as people didn't want to give up their horse and buggies and go with this gas or diesel powered car technology that was so foreign to them. The good thing, most of the people that have a death grip on their gas powered cars probably won't still be driving in 2035...at least I hope they aren't!

 

[brb58]

Source is merely used to document Bidens executive orders.

Curious...did you even read the article?

Last line:

"For those who are worried about your gasoline prices going up, this is definitely not the reason."

 

[Batvette]

Curious...did you even read the article?

Last line:

"For those who are worried about your gasoline prices going up, this is definitely not the reason."

Thats the opinion of the author, plenty of credible sources say otherwise.
As I stated the source was provided to document executive actions you flatly denied.
Tell me what the purpose of an order which halts new gas and oil leases on federal land, "until the effects on climate change is understood" would be other than to restrict fossil fuel production? And youre arguing this had no effect on fuel prices? Since Biden made curtailing fossil fuel use part of his platform please stop patronizing us by pretending he didnt do exactly what he said he would do, and it hasnt had disastrous consequences.

 

[Batvette]

I wonder how many people who are dead set against EVs are the same people still using flip phones and believed back in 2007 there was no way this iPhone thing is going to go anywhere.

EVs are in their infancy just like autos were at the end of the 1800s. Same thing happened back then as people didn't want to give up their horse and buggies and go with this gas or diesel powered car technology that was so foreign to them. The good thing, most of the people that have a death grip on their gas powered cars probably won't still be driving in 2035...at least I hope they aren't!

You mean like poor people?
I dont care what powers the car I drive but I am not going to be happy if its performance, cost, reliability and ease of use are compromised by some peoples' emotion driven misguided political agenda.
Why would you care if people drive electric vehicles or not by 2035? Why is it any of your business?

 

[grizzzman]

Seriously? Please tell me how electric cars are destabilizing the economy?

You need to get off the right wing conspiracy web sites.

And you need to quit regurgitating the "conspiracy" buzz word that the left tosses out when you do not agree with them.

 

[brb58]

You mean like poor people?
I dont care what powers the car I drive but I am not going to be happy if its performance, cost, reliability and ease of use are compromised by some peoples' emotion driven misguided political agenda.
Why would you care if people drive electric vehicles or not by 2035? Why is it any of your business?

EVs will eventually be way cheaper than driving gasoline powered vehicles.

And as usual you missed my point about not driving still in 2035.

 

[brb58]

And you need to quit regurgitating the "conspiracy" buzz word that the left tosses out when you do not agree with them.

Stop spouting off conspiracy theories then!

 

[BMcL]

climate change

Two primary inter-related questions.

q: Can we do anything about it?​

If we can't do anything about it we should probably not try do anything about it.​

Jordan Peterson points out the obvious: the politics and science have become intertwined.
Nuclear appears to be the only solution we could agree on, and we haven't been able to.

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson Talks Climate Change

iProject - Truth Dr. Jordan Peterson Educates Climate Activist Student with FACTS and LOGIC!

rumble.com

 

[grizzzman]

Stop spouting off conspiracy theories then!

There you go again...... Same o'l fodder

 

[Batvette]

EVs will eventually be way cheaper than driving gasoline powered vehicles.

And as usual you missed my point about not driving still in 2035.

For now theyre not, theres no charging infrastructure in place, and constructing it will create more GGE than you will save over 100 years.
They will only be cheaper with continued government restrictionon s on petroleum production.
As for that 2035 thing I cant miss what doesnt exist. LOL everyone who prefers ICE cars will be too old to drive in 14 years.
Off in our own little world I see.
If we only believe and wish hard enough EVs will save us all and anyone injecting reality into the discussion is a conspiracy theorist.

NEVER MIND the current electric generating infrastructure is nowhere near the capacity needed for a fraction of the ICE conversions theyre proposing.

NEVER MIND the distribution networks in most cities were designed in the 50s and 60s when use was half what it is now and to support the proposed use would take massive civil engineering projects with a staggering cost both financial and in carbon emissions.

NEVER MIND much of the technology being used in charging stations is far less reliable than getting gas from a pump. We will save the planet by making people drive for hours all over town to find a working charge station.

These are the people that claimed they would enact policies to reduce fossil fuel use, did so, but now claim those policies had nothing to do with rising gas prices.

Lets go, Brandon!

 

[Batvette]

Jordan Peterson points out the obvious: the politics and science have become intertwined.
Nuclear appears to be the only solution we could agree on, and we haven't been able to.

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson Talks Climate Change

iProject - Truth Dr. Jordan Peterson Educates Climate Activist Student with FACTS and LOGIC!

rumble.com

Sounded good until that chernobyl/japan tsunami/yucca mtn nimby thingy.
Chernobyl is far from over. Fascinating that containment dome though. 40 ft thick steel a football field highx widex three long. 100 years to robotically disassemble, IF the core cooperates. They had to build it because it wasnt.

 

[MurphyGuy]

Jordan Peterson points out the obvious: the politics and science have become intertwined.
Nuclear appears to be the only solution we could agree on, and we haven't been able to.

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson Talks Climate Change

iProject - Truth Dr. Jordan Peterson Educates Climate Activist Student with FACTS and LOGIC!

rumble.com

Only a complete moron would listen to a psychologist about climate change..

Did you insert the wrong link? Maybe you didn't check your copy-paste buffer? I ask because its obviously a mistake, no rational or intelligent person would listen to a psychologist about global warming.

Our of curiosity, I watched part of the video and found his false statements within the first 30 seconds.. didn't need to watch more after that.

Why are some people in the USA so ignorant? We have an entire demographic that has less than a grade school understanding of science...

My 8 year old daughter knows the first two lines of the periodic table.. do you? Let that sink in for a moment.

 

[brb58]

For now theyre not, theres no charging infrastructure in place, and constructing it will create more GGE than you will save over 100 years.
They will only be cheaper with continued government restrictionon s on petroleum production.
As for that 2035 thing I cant miss what doesnt exist. LOL everyone who prefers ICE cars will be too old to drive in 14 years.
Off in our own little world I see.
If we only believe and wish hard enough EVs will save us all and anyone injecting reality into the discussion is a conspiracy theorist.

NEVER MIND the current electric generating infrastructure is nowhere near the capacity needed for a fraction of the ICE conversions theyre proposing.

NEVER MIND the distribution networks in most cities were designed in the 50s and 60s when use was half what it is now and to support the proposed use would take massive civil engineering projects with a staggering cost both financial and in carbon emissions.

NEVER MIND much of the technology being used in charging stations is far less reliable than getting gas from a pump. We will save the planet by making people drive for hours all over town to find a working charge station.

These are the people that claimed they would enact policies to reduce fossil fuel use, did so, but now claim those policies had nothing to do with rising gas prices.

Lets go, Brandon!

You still use a flip phone? When the iPhone came out, the networks didn't have close to the required bandwidth to support smart phones if everyone had one.

2035 is over 13 years away. Technology will be magnitudes different by then. I am actually hoping that by 2035, most electric cars will be autonomous as well.

Think about that for a little while Bozo!

 

[bradbill]

For now theyre not, theres no charging infrastructure in place, and constructing it will create more GGE than you will save over 100 years.
They will only be cheaper with continued government restrictionon s on petroleum production.
As for that 2035 thing I cant miss what doesnt exist. LOL everyone who prefers ICE cars will be too old to drive in 14 years.
Off in our own little world I see.
If we only believe and wish hard enough EVs will save us all and anyone injecting reality into the discussion is a conspiracy theorist.

NEVER MIND the current electric generating infrastructure is nowhere near the capacity needed for a fraction of the ICE conversions theyre proposing.

NEVER MIND the distribution networks in most cities were designed in the 50s and 60s when use was half what it is now and to support the proposed use would take massive civil engineering projects with a staggering cost both financial and in carbon emissions.

NEVER MIND much of the technology being used in charging stations is far less reliable than getting gas from a pump. We will save the planet by making people drive for hours all over town to find a working charge station.

These are the people that claimed they would enact policies to reduce fossil fuel use, did so, but now claim those policies had nothing to do with rising gas prices.

Lets go, Brandon!

You come up with your Never Minds all by yourself?

You seriously think a charging station is less reliable than a mechanical gasoline pump.

I like Bruceb58's new name for you. From now on, we should all refer to you as Bozo the clown since you like to produce names that make you look like a moron.