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Has anybody used the Rosie inverter yet for prime time?

From every thing I read here it still seems like the grid and inverter cannot supply the load simultaneously. Pass through yes but not at the same time as the inverter is supplying the load. This is unfortunate (this sucks) because the inverter at 7kw could supply all of a homes loads almost all the time. Rarely do most homes have constant loads above 7kw. But when the loads exceed 7kw, inverters should continue to supply their max output and the grid should supply the excess power above 7kw that’s needed. I mean my cheap $300 inverters do that. And it’s nuts having to move all the loads to a separate panel.. makes things complicated and costly.
It's basically the same as an XW though.

I supposed nowadays that these 200A passthrough inverters exist people are gonna start seeing 60A as a big limitation.

I think most people considering a Rosie would be considering it to run all their loads more or less. And if you can do that, then there's a lot of options for how to wire it in.
 
It's basically the same as an XW though.

I supposed nowadays that these 200A passthrough inverters exist people are gonna start seeing 60A as a big limitation.

I think most people considering a Rosie would be considering it to run all their loads more or less. And if you can do that, then there's a lot of options for how to wire it in.
I don’t own either inverter so I could be very wrong, but I don’t think the Rosie is like the XW. The XW can supply grid tie power to the main panel. The XWs Capability of AC charging from the grid is stopped and then the inverter supplies grid synced grid tie power to the main panel. Then the loads can use as much power as they want and the XW continues to supply its max output.. The XW can also use CTs on the homes mains wires to zero out the homes main panel power usage. I don’t think the Rosie can do any of that.
 
The XW has a 60 amp passthrough, just like the Rosie.

The Rosie could, but it's true that I don't think they've implemented the feature in the software yet.
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The XW had a 60 amp passthrough, just like the Rosie.
Yes both inverter can pass thru to the offgrid panel. But the xw can supply power to the main panel. It can use the grids power to AC charge like the Rosie but the xw can switch the direction and supply the main panel with grid tie power using those same wires.. Just like the SolArk/Deye/Outback and many others
 
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It's never fast enough when some of us are here all day lol.

The Rosie is just as physically capable as an XW of pushing power upstream. But a lot of that functionality is not yet enabled in its software. I don't know if even plain unlimited export is enabled. But electrically, it definitely can. The Rosie is a bidirectional inverter charger just like the XW (sans AC2 input, and possibly with some sort of difference on the inverter engagement, being always engaged).
 
Is this the Same Inverter being sold on CurrentConnected?
The don't look the same but the name is the same!
https://www.currentconnected.com/product/midnite-solar-rosie-7048m-7000w-inverter-120amp-charger/
Same but that is the mobile version for RVs, which includes an auto switching ground neutral bond. It is pictured there without the optional E Panel. Both models are available with or without the E Panel.

RE model = Off grid stationary, no GN bond
M model = Mobile/RV, auto GN bond
 
It's never fast enough when some of us are here all day lol.

The Rosie is just as physically capable as an XW of pushing power upstream. But a lot of that functionality is not yet enabled in its software. I don't know if even plain unlimited export is enabled. But electrically, it definitely can. The Rosie is a bidirectional inverter charger just like the XW (sans AC2 input, and possibly with some sort of difference on the inverter engagement, being always engaged).
Hasnt the Rosie been out for quite some time? From the start the XW could export. Yes bidirectional as in the Rosie has an AC input and AC output but I have seen nothing saying it can export to the main panel on the input terminals. That is the only way to supply all the main panel loads and then also use CTs on the homes mains to zero out power usage 24/7 without moving all the loads to an offgrid panel after the inverter. This is a HUGE feature the Rosie is missing and a game changer as far as installation cost and ease of installation. Also the battery size/capacity can be smaller because the inverter/batteries only has to be sized for constant loads, not for surges. The grid can simply add to the inverters output simultaneously. This also allows for just a few critical loads to be moved to an offgrid panel to make it through most peoples very rare short duration power outages. Most only need a few items backed up to simply survive for a few hours
 
Yea so as of right now this inverter is simply an offgrid inverter/AC charger with pass through.. not even a true hybrid. A true hybrid IMO can supply grid tie inverter power to the main panel and also supply inverter power to the offgrid panel when there’s a power outage.
 
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Hasnt the Rosie been out for quite some time?
Retail sales started earlier this year I think. Commercial sales to RV market and installers may have started earlier.
From the start the XW could export
Midnite could certainly be criticized for the sluggish development in recent years.
Yes bidirectional as in the Rosie has an AC input and AC output but I have seen nothing saying it can export to the main panel on the input terminals.
It is electrically capable of that. If an inverter can sync the line it can push out the line. I don't really have the credentials to state this any more decisively, but as I understand it and I have read quite a bit about the inverter. It is perfectly capable of doing that. It has the physical provisions for upstream monitoring to be added in the future.
Also the battery size/capacity can be smaller because the inverter/batteries only has to be sized for constant loads, not for surges.
This constraint is the same as an XW. The Rosie can mix inverter and grid power to get to 60 amps. Or pass straight grid power at 60 amps.

Wattnode grid zero upstream supply mode is so rare I believe we have a single regular user on the forum who is running it. So I don't see the lack of that feature as being that big of a deal. And afaik, we have zero BCS users.
 
I’m not trying to bash on the Rosie. I love the American made, the high battery voltage 65v, which actually makes it possible for me to use with my 19s LIFepo4. Just wish it was a true hybrid. If they would simply allow this thing to power the main panel making the AC input (not AC output) bidirectional and utilize CTs on the mains, i and many others would be all over it
 
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I’m not trying to bash on the Rosie. I love the American made, the high battery voltage 65v, which actually makes it possible for me to use with my 19s LIFepo4. Just wish is was a true hybrid
You just seem to be persisting in an assumption that the Rosie is somehow physically different and less capable than an XW. And it's not true. It's missing an AC2 input is all, and people are moving to external chargers for generator power anyway.

If someone currently uses an XW for grid export, with a NEM agreement, then yes they should wait for export functionality to be confirmed enabled in software. Otherwise, this is a drop in for 95% of no-NEM XW installs.
 
This constraint is the same as an XW. The Rosie can mix inverter and grid power to get to 60 amps. Or pass straight grid power at 60 amps.

Wattnode grid zero upstream supply mode is so rare I believe we have a single regular user on the forum who is running it. So I don't see the lack of that feature as being that big of a deal.
I havnt read anywhere that the Rosie can use grid power and inverter power simultaneously to supply the offgrid load. I’ve only read that the inverter shuts off at various settable voltages and the grid takes over. Yes wattnode isn’t used much because there’s many other inverters like Deye/SolArk/Outback/Victron that have the capability of being a true hybrid without needing wattnode. Most use those inverters instead if they want a true hybrid. The XW is mostly used offgrid due to its high surge capabilities.
 
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If someone currently uses an XW for grid export, with a NEM agreement, then yes they should wait for export functionality to be confirmed enabled in software. Otherwise, this is a drop in for 95% of no-NEM XW installs.
In my area for example I only needed an inspection no agreement. Many other areas are the same. Then I was allowed to backfeed to the grid, although I do not but instead cover all my loads in the main panel and utilize zero export and save excess in batteries to be used thru the night 24/7.
with the shit credits/compensation for power given to the grid, even with an agreement with utility, the market is huge for true hybrids with zero export that feeds the main panel directly. Not many people are capable of taking their entire home offgrid. For most people it doesn’t make sense to go offgrid. Most would just want a few loads offgrid and their normal main panel usage covered
 
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Yes wattnode isn’t used much because there’s many other inverters like Deye/SolArk/Outback/Victron that have the capability of being a true hybrid without needing wattnode.
I'm not getting this. No inverter can export to a main panel in grid zero config without an upstream CT right? Do they come with CTs?

Not trying to be challenging in this area. I gave up on that kind of system design so I'm ignorant to the options.
 
I'm not getting this. No inverter can export to a main panel in grid zero config without an upstream CT.
Yes the SolArks and many others simply need CTs thrown on the mains wires, not an additional device like wattnode with extensive setup procedure. Only a few people here using wattnode but many using true hybrids in the same way I do, to cover their main panels loads. No rewiring all the homes loads to another panel.
If there’s a grid connection to the home then using a true hybrid to power the main panels loads is the cheapest and easiest way to do it. I’d say this would be the most common install. Only reason for an inverter to not have this capability is if the home is to be entirely offgrid or an agreement or simply an inspection can’t be had. Those are all rare or rarer than the amount of on grid homes that can get agreements or simply inspected.
 
Yes the SolArks and many others simply need CTs thrown on the mains wires, not an additional device like wattnode with extensive setup procedure. Only a few people here using wattnode but many using true hybrids in the same way I do, to cover their main panels loads. No rewiring all the homes loads to another panel.
If there’s a grid connection to the home then using a true hybrid to power the main panels loads is the cheapest and easiest way to do it. I’d say this would be the most common install. Only reason for an inverter to not have this capability is if the home is to be entirely offgrid or an agreement or simply an inspection can’t be had. Those are all rare or rarer than the amount of on grid homes that can get agreements or simply inspected.
Got it. Well it's a planned feature for the Rosie. But I would suggest anyone waiting on it should wait to purchase, because there's no telling how long it will be.
 
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