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Victron is Over-priced Eurotrash. Why would anybody buy Victron over an AiO?

Try to build a 24kw victron system that will pay for itself in your lifetime.
Humm. I built a 4800 watt system that is only 1/2 operational. I've only mounted 1/2 my panels and I really have been hitting float about every day there is even a little sun. Mainly because I can fully charge my batteries in about 2-3 hours of any sunlight. So I'm wasting a ton of energy. Right now I'm only powering my server because I don't want to switch back and forth too much. More batteries will allow me to throw a few more of my servers on the system. But if I scaled this, the time to pay off will go down I think. Here are my figures:

12​
400 Watt panels
$108.00​
$1,296.00​
1​
Victron 150/100 MPPT charge controller
$547.81​
$547.81​
1​
Victron smart shunt
$124.34​
$124.34​
1​
Victron Phoenix 1200VA 48-volt 120v AC Pure Sine Wave Inverter (w/dongle)
$391.04​
$391.04​
1​
Fueses
$39.62​
$39.62​
1​
Bus Bar
$49.80​
$49.80​
4​
Nermak 12v 100Ah LiFoPo4 battery
$199.99​
$799.96​
3​
Ampper on/off disconnect switch
$13.99​
$41.97​
1​
InstallGear 8 gague wire red/black
$55.11​
$55.11​
1​
BougeRV solar y branch connectors (1 to 3)
$15.99​
$15.99​
1​
WindyNation AWG 8 gague 100 ft red/black wire
$187.60​
$187.60​
1​
ANLEMIN Car Battery Covers
$9.59​
$9.59​
1​
6in Asphalt Mini Rail With Flashing Roof Mount for Panel w/clamps
$450.00​
$450.00​
Total Cost:
$4,008.83​
WH/day supplied:
4000​
WH/month supplied:
120000​
KWH/month supplied:
120​
Cost per KWH from electric company
$0.13​
Total cost of electricty produced:
$15.60​
Months to pay off:
257​
Years to pay off:
22​

I think all the numbers are correct. Feel free to correct me if I got something wrong.
 
I've got ten 300W panels and I made nearly 9kWh yesterday, battery limited using two 24V 100Ah batteries and a 2kWh Delta 2 max which I charged, drained and recharged again. So 4kWh from 4kW of panels per day seems very conservative?

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I've tried to read this entire (yes, clickbait) thread and what I can't understand is why no one is commenting on Victron's lack of UL listings. I have a small, Victron-only system except panels and batteries. Love it! Think it's built like a tank, and while the price tag is steep, I'd gladly pay it again for our next home. BUT... if I want to grid tie, I fear my utility may have issues without all (any?) UL listings, and I have to wonder if an insurer might also hesitate. I just watched a YouTube video last night in which I think Dexter himself from Current Connected was helping a young couple with an install (on a steep hillside with equipment in a shipping container and the panels mounted onto the container, if that helps ID it). I thought to myself, "Wow, that's a great install and that might be similar to what I need. But what about their insurer?"

If anyone can shed more light on how they're dealing with Victron and 1) insurers and 2) grid ties, with or without grid export/net metering, I am all ears and would really appreciate it. I'm 100% convinced Victron is great equipment. I'm willing to pay their prices despite the pain of that. I am thrilled that they are headquartered in a European country rather than China. I'm thrilled that I can configure the equipment without a cloud connection, and even monitor it to a large degree without one. I applaud them for making Venus OS available on a Raspberry Pi. I could easily become a raving fan of Victron, and quite possibly of Current Connected. I just don't want to have a problem getting home insurance, and I would prefer to have the option of grid exporting/net metering if we decide the utility connection is worth it. What I'm hoping for here is that my concerns are overblown and that actual experience and examples can demonstrate that, please. We all have opinions, but experience is more representative of the real world. Thanks.
This is 100% my issue with Victron. I love their stuff and almost got more until the distributor told me I probably couldn't grid tie. So my new plan is to get a Growatt I guess when I get to the point where I want to grid tie. I have not yet worked on the insurance issue. That probably should be my next effort.

So, if anyone from Victron is listening, get something that is UL certified for grid export!!!
 
I've got ten 300W panels and I made nearly 9kWh yesterday, battery limited using two 24V 100Ah batteries and a 2kWh Delta 2 max which I charged, drained and recharged again. So 4kWh from 4kW of panels per day seems very conservative?

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If this is a reply to my 4kWh figure, that is actual consumption. Everything above that I am currently wasting. Like today I got 7kWh. :( My batteries can only hold 4.8kWh so, even if I drained them every night (which my server gets pretty close to doing. I make it to 8am with about 30% SOC), I couldn't use what I produce.

I should have probably stated that my setup is in the basement. So the only things close by for me to power is computer equipment that runs 24x7. My kids & wife get pretty irritated if I take down the internet, server or firewall (even if it's just for a second. Someone is always watching TV or playing a game on-line). All of which I want to power with my solar but the only thing I have batteries for right now is the server.
 
If this is a reply to my 4kWh figure, that is actual consumption. Everything above that I am currently wasting. Like today I got 7kWh. :( My batteries can only hold 4.8kWh so, even if I drained them every night (which my server gets pretty close to doing. I make it to 8am with about 30% SOC), I couldn't use what I produce.

I should have probably stated that my setup is in the basement. So the only things close by for me to power is computer equipment that runs 24x7. My kids & wife get pretty irritated if I take down the internet, server or firewall (even if it's just for a second. Someone is always watching TV or playing a game on-line). All of which I want to power with my solar but the only thing I have batteries for right now is the server.
Yeah sounds like you need to get (or build) a ups unit to handle network/critical loads when you are switching between battery and grid.

Also check out the ecoworthy 48v 50ah batteries on eBay currently around $360 after 20% coupon for system expansion.
 
Yeah sounds like you need to get (or build) a ups unit to handle network/critical loads when you are switching between battery and grid.

Also check out the ecoworthy 48v 50ah batteries on eBay currently around $360 after 20% coupon for system expansion.
Wouldn’t just a MP work once programmed to act like a UPS?

More blue!
 
Pacing waiting for Amazon to deliver. Never a sure thing if it'll get here late on the promised day or the next. Also ordered a hydraulic crimper.
 
Ya pushed me over the edge......12/1200 VA and the dongle will be here on Monday........sigh......
Congrats. I tried to "save" money by going with a Cerbo-S versus the BT dongle, hoping I can get the same functionality as I would have with bt dongle and Victron connect
 
Congrats. I tried to "save" money by going with a Cerbo-S versus the BT dongle, hoping I can get the same functionality as I would have with bt dongle and Victron connect
I'm just fine with BT.......( keep telling myself over and over......... ) resist the temptation.....
 
same here, right now we only hot spot our phones when we’re there, so VRM would need that fancy victron 4g cell link thingything or a Verizon hotspot which would be pricey.

So far trends via victron connect has kept enough data to keep me from spend $$$$
 
Ok good news got to the full inverter gui thru VRM/wifi. No drama turning it on, no precharge needed, connected to 48v 50ah ecoworthy.

Giving it a light load of slow charging of the d2m to begin. I don't have the shunt or sccs connected to the GX so not a lot going on yet.
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Ok good news got to the full inverter gui thru VRM/wifi. No drama turning it on, no precharge needed, connected to 48v 50ah ecoworthy.

Giving it a light load of slow charging of the d2m to begin. I don't have the shunt or sccs connected to the GX so not a lot going on yet.
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Looks like you are using a Victron Phoenix 1200 inverter? Does the CerboGX trend it's data? I really would like to know how much my inverter is doing per day but I have to spitball it right now.
 
Looks like you are using a Victron Phoenix 1200 inverter? Does the CerboGX trend it's data? I really would like to know how much my inverter is doing per day but I have to spitball it right now.
Yes, a 48/1200. It does trend but I don't see output in Watts in VRM in a chart for it, volts and amps are available, here are the fields that you can create a widget on for the inverter:

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I will may get watts once I hook up my smartshunt?
 
Looks like you are using a Victron Phoenix 1200 inverter? Does the CerboGX trend it's data? I really would like to know how much my inverter is doing per day but I have to spitball it right now.
Found it, had to look at the Cerbo for the data source, and not the inverter itself.

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