Midnite Solar Announced their new 10kw AIO at Intersolar Today

mciholas · Mar 17, 2024

Hedges said:
I guess the unlucky one responsible for a power supply which delivered 5V 200A to chassis, or designer of a PCB which had EMI shield bridging 5V return to chassis, got the several $million bill.

The power supply warranty almost certainly excludes consequential damage and only covers materials and workmanship of the power supply itself to the value of the power supply. It isn't the power supply's fault the user had a fire suppression system that damages all his equipment. They could have chosen something else or designed a layout which minimize the destruction. I would be extremely surprised the power supply maker paid out $millions on this, if anything.

All these insurance horror stories are FUD spreading. Let's get back to the topic...

Mike C.

sumpower · Mar 17, 2024

mciholas said:
I would be interested in specific example cases of this, where an insurance company came to investigate a fire, found some non listed device, and on that basis alone, denied coverage.

I'm not against advocating for quality and certified parts, but I despise the sales tactic of spreading FUD to motivate buyers.

Mike C.

I can tell you that there are actually more cases of this happening than most people are aware of. My nephew works in an electrical engineering group that does forensic investigation for fires. Not using UL listed equipment voids the insurance payout every time in a fire if the equipment is found to be the cause of the fire. Basically because states that adopt the NEC, require UL listed and Approved equipment for all installs.
I won't even troubleshoot non UL listed equipment, won't work on any install of non UL either.

sumpower · Mar 17, 2024

When should we expect to get someones feedback on the 10k AIO inverter from the beta testers?

This Midnite inverter sounds real promising to me. Just waiting for more information and availability. Pricing sound competitive and having the ability for closed loop Li charging makes it a front runner for me for future installs.

mciholas · Mar 17, 2024

sumpower said:
Not using UL listed equipment voids the insurance payout every time in a fire if the equipment is found to be the cause of the fire.

And still no verifiable case is presented. And speaking in absolutes like "every time" means it is almost certainly not 100% true.

I will only be swayed by actual evidence of such cases. I've run across so any people who assert various things about insurance that later turn out to be wrong that I only trust what can be verified. Usually such people are selling something and spread FUD to motivate the sale.

UL listing is not some absolute guarantee of safety, either. I am sure plenty of UL listed devices have caused fires. The fact they keep changing the standards tells you that.

Mike C.

JoeHam · Mar 17, 2024

JoeHam said:
Please.

Let’s not derail this thread with opinions and anecdotes on insurance as it relates to DIY solar, regardless of how it started.

That dead horse gets flogged on a regular basis on the forum. See here :

Search results for query: Insurance

diysolarforum.com

Sigh

timselectric · Mar 18, 2024

sumpower said:
Not using UL listed equipment voids the insurance payout every time in a fire if the equipment is found to be the cause of the fire.

Exactly
Having a non UL or an un permitted/inspected installation doesn't automatically void an insurance claim.
it only voids the claim if it's the cause of the damage.

Danke · Mar 18, 2024

I called my insurance company (USAA) over a year ago with this question. Unpermitted install with equipment that is not UL listed.

They said both my rates would not increase with having solar, and I would be covered. They considered solar equipment as personal property. FWIW

Also, remember “Listed” from the NEC does not mean just UL.

I scrubbed that particular project anyway, but had I gone through with it, I would definitely get it in writing from the insurance company.

Kornbread · Mar 18, 2024

Robin Gudgel said:
The AIO does include Pylontech. Not sure about others. We will have a chart of who all can be used based on selections. Many batteries can be used based on Pylontech as I understand it.

@Robin Gudgel Will it be able to communicate with other BMS, like JK?

Banjoman · Mar 19, 2024

Robin Gudgel said:
The rack mount batteries will have UL, but not UL9540. The wall mount rainproof will have that and heaters and fire suppression. Both batteries will have closed loop with the MidNite inverters. The price should be less than $1000 retail.

Now that’s what I’m talking bout

Banjoman · Mar 20, 2024

Can Beta testers give out any of their impressions yet?

HighTechLab · Mar 20, 2024

Banjoman said:
Can Beta testers give out any of their impressions yet?

It arrived in one piece (Yesterday)

Gavin Stone · Mar 20, 2024

Wow isn’t that a beauty. Very cool.

timselectric · Mar 20, 2024

HighTechLab said:
View attachment 203314

It arrived in one piece (Yesterday)

That looks huge.
Is there a battery in there, too?

Brucey · Mar 20, 2024

timselectric said:
That looks huge.
Is there a battery in there, too?

That's the wiring box. Plenty of room in there.

billvon · Mar 20, 2024

timselectric said:
That looks huge.
Is there a battery in there, too?

Nope. There's a picture of that opened up in the first post of this thread. The bottom is just breaker, terminal and wiring space. Midnite tends to allow more space rather than less for wiring.

Brucey · Mar 20, 2024

I think part of the the size would be the three separate output circuits that can be switched on/off as needed (load shedding?).

timselectric · Mar 20, 2024

Wow
You really have to plan for enough room for that thing.
Or maybe it just looks bigger than it is.

Adam De Lay · Mar 20, 2024

The eg4 6k in the image is 27” from bracket to bracket.

Looks like 38-40” tall?

Cmiller · Mar 20, 2024

timselectric said:
Wow
You really have to plan for enough room for that thing.

Looks like about 6 inches higher than the Sol-Ark 15K.

Partimewages · Mar 20, 2024

I'm guessing. 19" x 41" x 10" deep!

timselectric · Mar 20, 2024

Then yup, it's huge. lol

HighTechLab · Mar 20, 2024

38 1/2 tall.

timselectric · Mar 20, 2024

And 98lbs.
That's not diy. That's diwf. lol

Partimewages · Mar 20, 2024

Heavy = Quality!

Lt.Dan · Mar 20, 2024

timselectric said:
That's diwf.

Had to google that one lol.

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