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Ok. But are you limiting the 18 as well?

My hope is that the 18 setting limits both it's own PV and the AC Coupled PV
I have 12995 PV, 7140watts ac coupled and my export net meter is set to 6.5 kw. I should not get over 6.5 kw because I have 2kw of panels facing east. 2kw facing west and 3000 facing south. So usually I can see 4kw from ac couple and the PV curtailed to 2.5kw plus loads.
 
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Another quick question about the 18Kpv:

Other threads have talked about the fact that in on grade mode when trying to do net zero, it’s really hard to control for large loads dropping off suddenly.

How does the 18 Kpv deal with large loads dropping off (or starting up) suddenly while in offgrid mode?
 
Other threads have talked about the fact that in on grade mode when trying to do net zero, it’s really hard to control for large loads dropping off suddenly.

How does the 18 Kpv deal with large loads dropping off (or starting up) suddenly while in offgrid mode?
The issue here is how the control system operates for each mode.

In on grid mode with net zero export, the system is pumping energy into the local load and monitoring the CTs to prevent export. The CTs are slow devices, you basically have to measure a half or even full cycle to know the current, more or less. This can be some number of milliseconds. That makes the control response from load drop take a while in electrical terms. So the unit pumps out a bit more energy in that moment until the control system catches up. When a new load appears, the problem isn't as big a deal since the grid will pick up the load momentarily and then the control system will catch up and produce more output, so the critical test is load drop. You simply can't make the inverter respond fast enough to the CT response during load drop to have perfect zero export.

In off grid mode, the inverter is the only source of power and it can measure the output voltage instantly. The inverter simply drives the circuits to reach the desired voltage curve. If a load appears, this will take more current, but it can respond in a few microseconds to get the voltage on curve. Load drop or appearance is handled fairly swiftly. This is called transient response and is a factor in all power supply designs, even tiny low power ones like in a cell phone.

Inverter design is not unlike class D audio amps which are basically bidirectional switching regulators. These audio amps can precisely create a 20 KHz waveform with music fidelity, so precisely creating a 60 Hz waveform is not very difficult. You could, in theory, take the basic inverter circuit and make it into a multi KW audio amplifier. 240 VAC into an 8 ohm speaker is 7.2 KW. A rock concert uses a lot more power than that!

The above is not specific to the EG4 18KPV, but describes any inverter with net zero export capability, which is the ability to servo the power generation to the load while remaining attached to the grid.

Mike C.
 
I'll add that if you want to play the zero export with no interconnection agreement game, you need to understand things like how what you see on your CTs or energy meter may not be as good as what the POCO sees at the smart meter if they really want to catch you. IE they could increase the sampling frequency beyond what you're using, or maybe even turn off some smoothing / averaging to try to increase sensitivity.

IOW I'm not a fan of trying to game this by buying the best inverter, esp when zero export error/responsiveness/whatever isn't even an advertised spec on hybrid inverters.

The CTs are slow devices, you basically have to measure a half or even full cycle to know the current, more or less.
Doesn't this also mean that the POCO side measurement is also going to have some lag? Are they really this laggy / have poor high frequency response? I guess it depends on the specific CTs being used.
 
Appreciate all the thoughts, but I didn't ask how to limit my export, I just want to know if the limit takes the AC couple into account when you set a limit?
 
Can wont work with the lifepower4 batteries. Says i have 6 batteries parallel. Shows only 20048 ah instead of 30.72.
Lithium setting on 18k is 0.

Edit. all dip switch settings correct.
 
Can wont work with the lifepower4 batteries. Says i have 6 batteries parallel. Shows only 20048 ah instead of 30.72.
Lithium setting on 18k is 0.

Edit. all dip switch settings correct.
The 20048 is from the Lead Acid settings. I forget where it is, but that is what it is
 
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I updated my firmware to 1919 last night, changed zero settings, but now I'm getting some weird behavior.

My battery is full, and my DC coupled solar is shutting down instead of selling to the grid. The DC coupled solar will trickle in a few watts here and there to keep the battery topped off, then shut down again.

It's been selling back just fine in the past, but now it's "stuck" to just charging the battery.

Any ideas?


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I updated my firmware to 1919 last night, changed zero settings, but now I'm getting some weird behavior.

My battery is full, and my DC coupled solar is shutting down instead of selling to the grid. The DC coupled solar will trickle in a few watts here and there to keep the battery topped off, then shut down again.

It's been selling back just fine in the past, but now it's "stuck" to just charging the battery.

Any ideas?


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Does the DC coupled solar start working correctly if you turn off the AC Coupled? I have not downloaded firmware 1919, but I have discovered that my AC Coupled has all kind of weird thing happen when I have seamless switch on. Wonder if it will do anything if you turn it off?
 
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