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Victron All-in-one: "Inverter RS 48/6000 230V Smart Solar"

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Check this out: https://www.victronenergy.com/inverters/inverter rs smart solar

Has anyone used one of these? Seems amazing!


The Inverter RS Smart Solar is a combination of a powerful 48VDC, 6kVA 230VAC inverter and a high voltage, 80-450VDC, 4kW MPPT solar charger. Thanks to its modern design and high frequency technology the inverter only weighs 11kg and has an excellent efficiency, low standby power, and very quiet operation.

The inverter is equipped with a display to read out battery, inverter, and solar charger details. These parameters can also be read out via Bluetooth by the VictronConnect App. In addition to this, the inverter has a VE.Direct and a VE.Can Port, for connection to a GX device for system monitoring.


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Agreed. I selected my dual 5K/48 Quattros for that reason... got a wicked deal, and they didn't offer anything with split phase, so they'll eventually be synced for that purpose.
 
snoobler said:
Unless I'm missing something, that's single phase 230VAC, 50Hz only. Not intended for US markets.

60Hz and 240V split phase, and I'm in.
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Will Prowse said:
Dang it, you are correct. They need to make a split phase model.
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Victron has released a lot of cool products for the EU/Int'l market pretty recently, I'm hoping they will trickle down to us North American folks eventually. If you look through their catalogue, probably only 1/3 are available in 120/60hz. But most of those that aren't available are fairly new and can easily be modified (by Victron) to work in our market. So hopefully they are just waiting on regulatory approval or something and will release some of these cool new products in N.A. soonish.
 
Setting aside cost, I'm liking the idea of 2 Multiplus Compact 2k's in parallel for split phase. At 24V idle is only 11W per unit (4W in powersave), and output would be 4000W/8000W @ 25*C, 94% peak efficiency.
 
Wow, that's pretty much exactly what I'll need (was looking to some MPP Solar ones but not really found the right one).

Edit: well, not parallelizable, grrr...

Edit²: That MPP is interesting, thanks @Aaron_85
 
Dzl said:
Setting aside cost, I'm liking the idea of 2 Multiplus Compact 2k's in parallel for split phase. At 24V idle is only 11W per unit (4W in powersave), and output would be 4000W/8000W @ 25*C, 94% peak efficiency.
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I've had a past love affair with Victron Inverters. The challenge I found was the lack of simplicity when trying to setup a grid assist system for a 120/240 market - multiple inverters required, a dedicated ESS meter, etc.. In addition my direct communication seemed to be a hassle to the staff since I was asking for something outside of their normal product / customer based. Don't get me wrong, I think the stuff they make is excellent and I've owned a couple of their MPPT controllers (top notch) but the product line did not match my needs - a product that did 'grid zero', 'grid assist', smart load out/in. For me a Sol-Ark fit the bill and have been happy for the past 4 months or so with it.
 
All you need to use that inverter as 120/240V in the US market is a Victron autotransformer. I have installed other Victron 230V units in this manner, and it works amazingly well. A nice bonus of using the autotransformer is that it load balances L1-L2 up to 32A, so you don’t have to be as picky about balancing the circuits in your panel.
 
@burnin_daylight Glad to hear. maybe I should've asked my questions at the time here vs. on the victron forum.. ;-) . Even though I am happy with my setup I think others would benefit from your experience. Can you shed light on the specifics of the 120/240 install, off-grid, hybrid setup, etc.? Thanks!
 
Aaron_85 said:
As far as i can understand in the manual they support parallel
four in single phase, or six in three phase
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Yea I was talking about the Victron one. Then I saw the MPP one in your post.

It can support up to 6 in single phase, or up to 2 per phase in three phases, or up to 4 on phase 1 and one per phase on phase 2 and 3 in three phases.
 
solardad said:
@burnin_daylight Glad to hear. maybe I should've asked my questions at the time here vs. on the victron forum.. ;-) . Even though I am happy with my setup I think others would benefit from your experience. Can you shed light on the specifics of the 120/240 install, off-grid, hybrid setup, etc.? Thanks!
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I have only installed this type of Victron system off grid. They are super simple to wire and set up. You do have to use a laptop to set it up, as you have to change the inverter frequency to 60Hz for N. American power. There is also a dipswitch on the inverter you have to flip if you are using off grid.
This setup is way better than using 2 inverters, as it balances the load on the inverter.
In the past, I have used 2 inverters synced in split phase, but it requires very careful load balancing at the panel. One inverter with an autotransformer is by far better.
 
burnin_daylight said:
I have only installed this type of Victron system off grid. They are super simple to wire and set up. You do have to use a laptop to set it up, as you have to change the inverter frequency to 60Hz for N. American power. There is also a dipswitch on the inverter you have to flip if you are using off grid.
This setup is way better than using 2 inverters, as it balances the load on the inverter.
In the past, I have used 2 inverters synced in split phase, but it requires very careful load balancing at the panel. One inverter with an autotransformer is by far better.
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Can you explain what you mean here? I'm intrigued but not clear on what you are describing.

Are you talking about using 230v int'l/euro multiplus outputting single phase 230v 60hz with a transformer which outputs __?
 
Dzl said:
Victron has released a lot of cool products for the EU/Int'l market pretty recently, I'm hoping they will trickle down to us North American folks eventually.
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I was recently talking to a Victron support rep and he hinted that there were several new products coming for the North American market but he did not go into much detail. They have traditionally not concentrated on NA, but he talked like that was going to change. I hope it does. I like their gear but the 120V selection is much smaller than the 240V selection.
 
Dzl said:
Can you explain what you mean here? I'm intrigued but not clear on what you are describing.

Are you talking about using 230v int'l/euro multiplus outputting single phase 230v 60hz with a transformer which outputs __?
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Yes, exactly. Victron Euro inverters are designed to be able to run 50Hz or 60Hz, and voltage adjustable up to 240V. It is completely Victron approved to install with autotransformer and use with N. American split phase. I KNOW it works because I install them this way.
 
If you could find a beefy enough transformer with the right voltages it'd be completely possible to slap a 240 to 120-0-120 transformer on the Victron's output but TANSTAAFL. The 2nd transformer would have it's own losses and idle draw so that would ruin the Victron's quite good idle draw. As already noted Victron has an autotransformer, but I wonder what the change in frequency from 50Hz to 60Hz does for the magentics in the inverter's internal toroidal transformers from an efficiency point of view.
 
Higher frequency = lower losses in the core so going from 50 to 60 Hz is fine, the opposite however isn't.
 
@Dzl A split phase transformer schematic looks like this:

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In the case we are discussing here, the distribution voltage would be the 240V single phase from the Victron Inverter.

This is also what is on the pole behind feeding residential houses in the U.S. (The grey cylindrical transformer you see in neighborhoods). The difference is the distribution voltage will be *much* higher.
 
And the Schneider Conext SW 4048 already has an expensive autotransformer built in.

Although I plan to use 240v input and output it is nice to know that I can feed it with a 120v generator and it will output 240v into my critical loads panel if my solar/battery power is insufficient.
 
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