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And what is that?
I give you this, ironically written by Karen.

@supersignman your posts seem well written and professional to me, thank you for sharing your experience.

I've been lurking here for a while before I joined. I must say, Signature Solar has improved drastically.

As others have already stated, your friend should contact Current Connected if they haven't already.
I don't have any ill-will towards either Signature Solar or Solar Sovereign. They seem to have good products at good prices. The diy solar community needs companies like them. I just hope somebody at the top of those companies will see this thread and make some policy changes. It's not hard to have good customer service and be honest with people regarding their orders.
 
And I am not sure about signature solar's policy but every other place I order from doesn't charge the card until such time as the order ships.

When I placed a "pre-order" for a "chargeverter", my credit card was charged the same day I placed the order and the charger did not ship for a couple of months. I was a bit miffed when I saw the charge on the next CC statement. I knew it would not ship for a few months and I expected to be charged when it shipped, not months before.
 
When I placed a "pre-order" for a "chargeverter", my credit card was charged the same day I placed the order and the charger did not ship for a couple of months. I was a bit miffed when I saw the charge on the next CC statement. I knew it would not ship for a few months and I expected to be charged when it shipped, not months before.


WOW, sounds like bad policy on their part unless they make it abundently clear and with multiple popups that you will be charged now to pre-order the item. Not what has happened to me at other places
 
If my friend and I would have just kept silent and not hounded them for some answers, it would have been at least 45 days. What kind of customer service is that?
That's commonplace in this market I'd say.

But your point about the 30 days rule is new and interesting. I wouldn't mind seeing that change.
 
And NEVER use a debit card (especially at a gas station that might have a skimmer).
Because then you have to beg someone to replace your stolen money.

Only use a credit card.
Then you just dispute the charge.

Only place I ever use ATM card is at a branch of the issuing bank.

When you hand over money (green or ephemeral electronic bits), do so with your eyes wide open.
I have wired money overseas, but a modest amount when going to an unaffiliated organization, which seemed respectable.
(When an immodest amount, well, let's just say FINCEN has a file on me.)
 
Okay, I’m here! Sorry for the delay!
We take all feedback seriously and aim to clarify any misunderstandings promptly and transparently.
Firstly, Let’s address the specific questions raised:
  • Payment Policy: Our policy is to charge the card when the order is placed. This allows us to verify the payment before the item is shipped, ensuring a smooth transaction and timely delivery.
  • Shipping Policy: We do not typically split-ship freight orders or international orders. We understand that there may be exceptions, and we handle these on a case-by-case basis to best meet our customers' needs.
  • Stock Information: Our website is designed to display live stock levels. We aim to provide the most accurate and up-to-date information.
  • Debit vs. Credit Card Orders: Debit card orders are treated the same as credit card orders. There is no differentiation in how these transactions are processed.
  • Sales Team Compensation: Our sales team participates in an incentive program but does not work on a commission basis. This structure is intended to ensure that our team's primary focus remains on providing the best service to our customers.
We sincerely apologize for the miscommunication regarding your friends order and the item being out of stock. Without the order number, I cannot verify the specifics, but it sounds like your friend ordered a kit that included an out-of-stock item. We recently discovered an issue where our system did not accurately reflect the stock status of the whole kit when an individual kit component was out of stock. This oversight has been addressed with our team to prevent future occurrences.
Lastly, I want to address the title of this thread and the use of the word "liar." Accusations of lying imply malicious intent, which is contrary to our values and practices at Signature Solar. Our goal is to be transparent and honest with our customers. We deeply regret that you feel misled and assure you that this was never our intention. We strive to resolve any issues swiftly and fairly.
We appreciate your patience and understanding as we work to improve our processes. If you have any further questions or concerns, please feel free to contact our customer service team directly, and we will be more than happy to assist you.
Thank you so much for your continued support, it truly means the world! 🌞
 
Okay, I’m here! Sorry for the delay!
We take all feedback seriously and aim to clarify any misunderstandings promptly and transparently.
Firstly, Let’s address the specific questions raised:
  • Payment Policy: Our policy is to charge the card when the order is placed. This allows us to verify the payment before the item is shipped, ensuring a smooth transaction and timely delivery.
  • Shipping Policy: We do not typically split-ship freight orders or international orders. We understand that there may be exceptions, and we handle these on a case-by-case basis to best meet our customers' needs.
  • Stock Information: Our website is designed to display live stock levels. We aim to provide the most accurate and up-to-date information.
  • Debit vs. Credit Card Orders: Debit card orders are treated the same as credit card orders. There is no differentiation in how these transactions are processed.
  • Sales Team Compensation: Our sales team participates in an incentive program but does not work on a commission basis. This structure is intended to ensure that our team's primary focus remains on providing the best service to our customers.
We sincerely apologize for the miscommunication regarding your friends order and the item being out of stock. Without the order number, I cannot verify the specifics, but it sounds like your friend ordered a kit that included an out-of-stock item. We recently discovered an issue where our system did not accurately reflect the stock status of the whole kit when an individual kit component was out of stock. This oversight has been addressed with our team to prevent future occurrences.
Lastly, I want to address the title of this thread and the use of the word "liar." Accusations of lying imply malicious intent, which is contrary to our values and practices at Signature Solar. Our goal is to be transparent and honest with our customers. We deeply regret that you feel misled and assure you that this was never our intention. We strive to resolve any issues swiftly and fairly.
We appreciate your patience and understanding as we work to improve our processes. If you have any further questions or concerns, please feel free to contact our customer service team directly, and we will be more than happy to assist you.
Thank you so much for your continued support, it truly means the world! 🌞
Jess, thanks for the reply. I wanted to make sure you read this link I left in the original post because you might want to edit that post above...

https://www.findlaw.com/smallbusiness/business-operations/laws-governing-shipping-advertising.html

By posting on a public forum that your policy is to charge the card when the order is placed even when you know the order will take longer than 30 days to ship is opening Signature Solar up to some serious liability. You're basically admitting that your company policy is in violation of federal law and you don't care... Here's what the law says...

If your business plans include shipping online or telephone orders, you must follow the Mail, Internet, or Telephone Order Merchandise Rule from the Federal Trade Commission (FTC). Also known as the "30-Day Rule," this regulation describes how businesses must fulfill orders. The rule ensures that customers receive orders in a reasonable time while giving businesses and shippers the flexibility they need.

This article discusses the 30-Day Rule, federal and state laws about shipping, and where you can look for additional information.

The 30-Day Rule Defined​

The 30-Day Rule says that when a business advertises merchandise for shipment, it must have a "reasonable basis" for saying or believing it can ship within a certain time. For instance, if your ad says "10-day shipping guaranteed," you must reasonably believe you can ship the product within 10 days. If your advertisement does not have a shipping time, the product must ship within 30 days.
 
  • Payment Policy: Our policy is to charge the card when the order is placed. This allows us to verify the payment before the item is shipped, ensuring a smooth transaction and timely delivery.
That can be done without charging the card, a temporary charge, can be done; think gas pumps. Plus a bit of double speak, IMHO. "Allows us to verify the payment before the item is shipped..." What? Charging the card months in advance or the day before shipping accomplishes the same goals of "a smooth transaction and timely delivery".

But it does one thing that is not cool, it uses my money to finance SS operations.
 
His story is real with SS. I had the EXACT same experience. Before I placed my order I asked them (name withheld) if everything was in stock because I am sending the kit to Costa Rica and customs requires the battery to arrive with solar panels to avoid a 46% duty charge. Once I placed the order, suddenly the inverter was delayed until mid July. Nope, I cancelled.

I went to another vendor that was wonderful (withholding the name intentionally). I ordered their kit last Thursday. The EXACT same inverted was drop shipped to my port in Florida by SS. In less than a week all of my components from 4 suppliers are being loaded on a ship. I have four more solar jobs down here and I have found my supplier...SS lost out big time with me. Shop around. No, I didn't go with Current Connected either.
 
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That can be done without charging the card, a temporary charge, can be done; think gas pumps. Plus a bit of double speak, IMHO. "Allows us to verify the payment before the item is shipped..." What? Charging the card months in advance or the day before shipping accomplishes the same goals of "a smooth transaction and timely delivery".

But it does one thing that is not cool, it uses my money to finance SS operations.

@SignatureSolarJess thanks for the answers - I am disappointed to hear about the charge policy.

Seems like an authorization charge in the amount of the order is a valid way of reserving the amount on a card. They can be placed for up to 30 days. So you process the charge when the items ship. If something isn't in stock but will be there in a few days the authorization charge holds that amount. Then you just charge when the item ships.

And if it will be delayed you can do that up to 30 days. If the item will take longer than that seems like an arrangement can be made to keep the order held and pay when arrives.

Business practices can be changed, especially when they result in bad blood with the customers.

Note - the authorization hold would actually protect the business. It allows a few days of hold before charge and ship so any stolen card/fraud transactions show up before things ship. And, a simple policy of a 3 day or hold on orders over $xxxx for first time customers will help all the way around. Repeat customers are happy and new customers that may be fraud can be delayed and looked at.

My 2 cents and worth that.
 
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@SignatureSolarJess thanks for the answers - I am disappointed to hear about the charge policy.

Seems like an authorization charge in the amount of the order is a valid way of reserving the amount on a card. They can be placed for up to 30 days. So you process the charge when the items ship. If something isn't in stock but will be there in a few days the authorization charge holds that amount. Then you just charge when the item ships.

And if it will be delayed you can do that up to 30 days. If the item will take longer than that seems like an arrangement can be made to keep the order held and pay when arrives.

Business practices can be changed, especially when they result in bad blood with the customers.

Note - the authorization hold would actually protect the business. It allows a few days of hold before charge and ship so any stolen card/fraud transactions show up before things ship. And, a simple policy of a 3 day or hold on orders over $xxxx fod first time customers will help all the way around. Repeat customers are happy and new customers that may be fraud can be delayed and looked at.

My 2 cents and worth that.
Not only is this policy a violation of federal law, a Signature Solar credit card customer that doesn't pay off their balance in full every month ends up paying interest on the charge from the day they placed the order - even though their product is still on the slow boat from China. For debit card customers, the money is literally taken from their bank account long in advance of shipping on some orders.
 
I wonder what percentage of people in the diy solar community are worried about things that haven't happened yet?
Ya mean like Noah…and the flood…
with out having the interweb thing , he seemed to have a pretty good line on stuff..a cool dude.
Count me in as one of those prognosticators…
Ya always gotta be ready ….for somthing…cause somthing always coming….
 
I had the same BS with Temco. Weeks and weeks of runaround. I finally called and spoke to the guy. “I’ll have it in the mail today and send you a tracking number.” No tracking number. The following week, I called and spoke to a manager. “I’ll get this moving, you have my word.” Nothing moved. On and on.

They finally took care of it.

If we call, have the courtesy to tell us the truth. It’s not that hard.

And the credit card stuff looks shady.
 
LOL, I know this crowd. If I name the great vendor, they will be attacked. They aren't mentioned on this forum. I searched. Apparently they are busy fulfilling orders and answering questions.
That's even worse! There are people on here that are actively looking for alternatives to Signature Solar. You would be doing everybody a favor, including the vendor, by praising them publicly.
 
I had the same BS with Temco. Weeks and weeks of runaround. I finally called and spoke to the guy. “I’ll have it in the mail today and send you a tracking number.” No tracking number. The following week, I called and spoke to a manager. “I’ll get this moving, you have my word.” Nothing moved. On and on.

They finally took care of it.

If we call, have the courtesy to tell us the truth. It’s not that hard.

And the credit card stuff looks shady.
It’s called using the float… it’s also called free front money …if you can justify how to drag the timeline out it great … done it many times …in several businesses…banks live off the float…
As the Danny Davito movie said use “ Other People’s Money..”
 
That's even worse! There are people on here that are actively looking for alternatives to Signature Solar. You would be doing everybody a favor, including the vendor, by praising them publicly.
OK OK, I give shopsolarkits.com a 10 out of 10. They have EARNED four more kit orders I have in the cue with customers.
 
You get what you pay for.
If you pay $75 for a hotel room, expect Motel 6, not Hilton.
There are trade-offs in most things in life.
There are usually other places to do business, if you are unhappy with a particular business.
If you find the absolute lowest prices along with the absolute best customer service, please let everyone else know.
I'm sure we would all want to reward them with our money.
With a choice between low price, and excellent customer service, most people choose low price.
That's why Wal-Mart is the largest company in the world. Crappy service and all.
Um Wal-Mart isn’t even close to the largest company in the world …..The largest company in the world actually has great customer service. FYI
 
Um Wal-Mart isn’t even close to the largest company in the world …..The largest company in the world actually has great customer service. FYI

I think this depends on the definition of the largest company in the world. Market cap? Gross revenue? Market cap can be misleading because that's based on the anticipated future value of the company, not it's actual performance. By gross revenue, Walmart is the biggest company in the world. Amazon is the second.
 
Ya mean like Noah…and the flood…
with out having the interweb thing , he seemed to have a pretty good line on stuff..a cool dude.
Count me in as one of those prognosticators…
Ya always gotta be ready ….for somthing…cause somthing always coming….


It rained today, call Noah!! I am not sure when it is going to stop
 
It rained today, call Noah!! I am not sure when it is going to stop
I've been thinking this for two months now (Thai monsoon season) it apparently ends in august for me. Good job I dug new drainage channels before hand, even though we were told it was el nino better to be prepared and all. Now after a silly amount of flooding we've been told el nino is over and el Nina has started (above average rainfall) guess what I'm saying is being prepared to ask noah for help is about the best you can do if not prepared.
"Fail to prepare, prepare to fail"
 
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