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I found a battery on ebay, free shipping, 100Ah $299... im going to do a load test on it... should i post a video here?

I'm new to LiFePo. I've had this Global Power for a couple of weeks now. I've noticed that it doesn't really get up to 14.4 V. On either my 60 amp Xantrex, or my Victron SCC it will get to a level that may be full charge with about 14.1 V and then it will start limit cycling. I don't have a scope, but the volts and amps are going up and down. I assume the BMS is shutting off the charge. The Victron is set for 14.4V, The attached plot came from the Victron app.
Yes, I agree, that is annoying, but altering the charge profile of the controller solves the issue.
I'm guessing they do this to extend the cycle coult life of the battery.
13.8 is nearly full anyway.
 
That doesn't solve the issue. See my post in the other thread. I only have 70 ah capacity
 
I have contacted the seller, waiting to hear back.
One Battery.
17 amp load (too much?)
Have you retested?
 
I have contacted the seller, waiting to hear back.
One Battery.
17 amp load (too much?)
Have you retested?
Give him a call he's pretty responsive. ( his phone number is on the data sheet)
 
EBay has a policy that the seller can remove any negative feedback if the seller offers the buyer full remediation for any faulty product.
A shonky seller can keep his 100% positive rating by quickly refunding those that complain.

Not saying this is so in this particular case!
As long as they refund me completely, then I don't really see TOO much harm in that. That sounds like a complete money-back guarantee to me.
 
well, on testing the first battery, I can confirm balance issues. opened it up and checked the balance leads after it was cutting off at 13.75v. 3.37-3.37-3.37-3.64 I've got the balance leads disconnected from the bms, and hooked to a heltec 5a active balancer. will update
 
Anyone know what these connectors are called? 5pin 14mm wide. If I'm going to active balance all 30 of these batteries, I need to make it plug and play. I have zero faith in my ability to hand wire it right 30x in a row. At some point swmbo will try to talk to me and I will lose all train of thought.
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Anyone know what these connectors are called? 5pin 14mm wide. If I'm going to active balance all 30 of these batteries, I need to make it plug and play. I have zero faith in my ability to hand wire it right 30x in a row. At some point swmbo will try to talk to me and I will lose all train of thought.
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Those look like the standard JST XH. I have noticed that some BMS have a variation of them though. Same look but little smaller size.
 
Those look like the standard JST XH. I have noticed that some BMS have a variation of them though. Same look but little smaller size.
xh have 2 little spears for retention, these have a squeeze latch. you've put me on the right track though. jst's website has a pic of these exact connectors on the bottom of every page( :frustrated screech:
 
Is this at all normal for a LFP BMS to lack balance capability?
based on what I'm seeing so far, I think the cells where not balanced before assembly. Basically the normal bms balance is 10-50ma that can only be used effectively during the last 10% of a charge. this is plenty to KEEP healthy cells balanced, however it is not nearly enough to actually balance cells that where not balanced before assembly.

I took several hours last night to balance this pack out with an active balancer that was drawing over an amp (based off my clamp meter) that would literally take hundreds(@.050v) to thousands (@.010v)of hours with a normal bms. I just finished recharging after 1 cycle and the cells stayed very close. I'll do several more shallow cycles 20-50% dod now and see it the cells stay balanced.
 
@wild01 How much capacity reduction would you expect for that out of balance condition? It would be interesting if you test one of the batteries before and after balancing
 
@wild01 How much capacity reduction would you expect for that out of balance condition? It would be interesting if you test one of the batteries before and after balancing
All my shunt meters are currently in use on other projects. I have a capacity tester coming monday.
 
based on what I'm seeing so far, I think the cells where not balanced before assembly. Basically the normal bms balance is 10-50ma that can only be used effectively during the last 10% of a charge. this is plenty to KEEP healthy cells balanced, however it is not nearly enough to actually balance cells that where not balanced before assembly.

I took several hours last night to balance this pack out with an active balancer that was drawing over an amp (based off my clamp meter) that would literally take hundreds(@.050v) to thousands (@.010v)of hours with a normal bms. I just finished recharging after 1 cycle and the cells stayed very close. I'll do several more shallow cycles 20-50% dod now and see it the cells stay balanced.
How much disassembly did you have to do to balance these? Based on the Beene video it looks like the negative wire is accessible, just disconnect from the BMS and connect to a power supply or your active balancer?
 
Its pretty strait forward. Unplug the plug that I posted pics of on the bms and that's all the balance wires. I unplugged the connector and used strait pins to plug my balancer into it. If you want to set up a plug in option the connector is a jst-pa 5pin.
 
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