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Schneider xw pro 6848 not powering up with eg4 lithium battery

It seems like no one noticed or commented on your issue? Does it feel like they're trying to ignore you?

What's "decent power"? How much wattage are you talking about?

The 12v version is pretty limited as far as current.
60a recommend and 200a "max continuous"?

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Yes it does feel as if I’m being ignored. consider mine is a 5th wheel set up, what I am calling a decent load is any of the following. any one of these by itself will trip the safety, vacuum, microwave, Airconditioning (13000 btu roof). I am currently running 2 Weize 100ah batteries from Amazon. With the 200ah of Weize I can turn on and run any of the listed items (yes not for long on the ac, it was mostly to see what it could handle. Not to mention the EG4 won’t even power up the inverter. I love The rack concept and actually wanted 2 of the EG4’s, wish it would have worked out with my system as it was ideal. Now I’m left with what Signature Solar will do for me if anything, or sell the unit at a discounted price, take a loss, and hope I didn’t screw the next guy.



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I have people asking about the EG4 in RV forums I am in. They are the same as I was and ready to pull the trigger on the EG4. Now with the issues I’ve had they are asking me a lot of questions and weather or not they should look at something else. At this point I am uncertain how to reply as I don’t want to badmouth the product, when I think it’s a great concept. So at this point all I can do is convey my experience and can’t tell them if it will work for them. I will tell them if they are running 24v with a step down that the LL seems to not have the same issues.
 
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Well I appreciate that Kolds issue has been somewhat resolved. I would however like to know about my issue. Did you test with the Victron Multiplus 2? As I stated I would, I connected my old AGM battery and my inverter fired right up. I also tried a buddies Battleborn who was in town it worked at the flip of a switch. I have now bought a couple of Weize 12v 100ah batteries off of Amazon and guess what? The cheap little batteries work just like they should. What can we do about this brick of a battery pack EG4 12v that wont start anything and protects itself every time you push any decent power? Would love to send it back to you, but don’t want to pay shipping and no longer have the box. What can Signature Solar do about this? Unsatisfied Customer.
Are you saying that the 12V version doesn't start your 12V inverter?
The 12V don't have the pre-charge resistor so they should be a straight shot from the BMS to the Inverter.
Are you monitoring the BMS via the 485 port and are there any errors in the log?
 
Sorry. I’m not tracking well. I wonder if you ought to start a new thread and restate your setup and issue.
 
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If they plan on continuing to sell the batteries having issues, their issues will continue to multiple, along with more dissatisfied customers showing up. I would NOT recommend the EG4 LifePower4 to anyone that isn't running Growatt style inverters.


I think the issue is in the BMS programming for when and/or how long the pre-charge circuit is utilized. You failed to test changing that parameter with @Koldsimer, you mentioned it wouldn't take the setting or something. You failed to update the firmware supplied by the China man. It sounds to me like you have a serious BMS issues in these batteries, when you, the exclusive dealer for them, can't update firmware or make BMS parameter changes. Not being able to reproduce it yourself is certainly a huge issue. You should take any opportunity you have with customers to aggressively work the issue with setting changes, firmware, etc.

You now KNOW due to you swapping the EG4 LL batteries out with @Koldsimer "good move by the way", that the LL batteries solve the issue. WHAT IS DIFFERENT IN THEM? Look at the parameter difference on pre-charge timing and how they work. Pre-charge resisters the same? etc etc.... FIND THE DIFFERENCE!

Upper management has a very tough decision to make, since this isn't resolved and there is new people showing up every day stating they have the same issues with them. And more importantly the manufacture unable to supply you with a fix or even a working firmware upgrade or way to troubleshoot.

Signature Solar could:
1. Roll the dice, keep selling them. Risk ruining your reputation selling batteries with known issues "It will hurt more than your LifePower4 battery sales, people will be afraid of all of your batteries and products"... You and your support team will spend countless hours beating around the bush about an issue that you know about and can't fix. Eventually many will demand a refund and you SHOULD pay for return shipping in these cases, costing you thousands of $$$. You then will have a stack of used batteries to do something with.

2. Stop sale of them until resolved. Put pressure on the China Manufacture threatening to return them if they don't provide you with at least working firmware and a way to troubleshoot. You guys no doubt have spend hundreds of thousands $ with this company, sounds like they aren't providing the level of support your business relationship warrants.... It's a show of good faith by stopping sell until resolved or at a min put a disclaimer up that they may have issues starting non-growatt inverters. It will slow the support issues and returns down, giving you more $ and bandwidth to work on the issues.

Good luck and I do you hope you solve this. I've been here since the beginning of this thread. I was lucky enough to read @Koldsimer having issues with my exact inverter in time to get my order of EG4 LifePower4 switched to EG4 LL batteries. It cost me $750 to avoid this problem.... Not the solution I wanted, but I chose it over going thru the hell he did.
Thats what i meant when i said SS is selling broken item.
Isnt a recalled item broken
Thos version fo eg4 or its batch should note even be.on rhe market.
 
I'm not sure this is clear.
Koldismer's own LifePower4 batteries powered up the exact same brand and model inverter when tested back at SS and they went to great lengths to prove this with video documentation of serial numbers etc. when the units were returned.

What I think is a more accurate statement is Koldismer had a particular set-up that didn't play nicely with the LifePower4 batteries. Whether that was to do with other equipment in the loop or cabling etc (which was significantly discussed earlier in this thread), we will probably now never know!
So your are sayijg we shoukd disconnet all of our charge controllers and midnite epanel and use only Eg4 batteries on them.
I am just playing dumb here dont mind me?
 
Yes it does feel as if I’m being ignored. consider mine is a 5th wheel set up, what I am calling a decent load is any of the following. any one of these by itself will trip the safety, vacuum, microwave, Airconditioning (13000 btu roof). I am currently running 2 Weize 100ah batteries from Amazon. With the 200ah of Weize I can turn on and run any of the listed items (yes not for long on the ac, it was mostly to see what it could handle. Not to mention the EG4 won’t even power up the inverter. I love The rack concept and actually wanted 2 of the EG4’s, wish it would have worked out with my system as it was ideal. Now I’m left with what Signature Solar will do for me if anything, or sell the unit at a discounted price, take a loss, and hope I didn’t screw the next guy.



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And this one is a question for Koldsimer.
When you had the original batteries wired into your system, what order did you turn everything on? Are there breakers or other disconnects to the charge controllers or the XW-Pro that were not on when the battery breaker was turned on? My battery bank does not have any pre charge circuit, so I need to manually connect a resistor to ---SNIP---

@Koldsimer was recently spotted relaxing after winning his 10 week Battle with SS.
Mrs Kolds forwarded this picture.
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Are you saying that the 12V version doesn't start your 12V inverter?
The 12V don't have the pre-charge resistor so they should be a straight shot from the BMS to the Inverter.
Are you monitoring the BMS via the 485 port and are there any errors in the log?
1) correct it doesn’t start my inverter
2) are you certain they don’t? I’ve tried precharging as well but it has not helped
3) no errors in the log, unless I am somehow looking at the wrong thing. But none on any tab
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This whole thing is making me nervous ?. I’m about to place an order for 3 EG4-LL 24V-200 batteries but being in Canada, I’m afraid of what could happen if I have issues powering up my Samlex EVO-4024. Has anyone tried this setup yet?
 
Did anyone ever get voltage readings when the precharge failed?

Seems like this should be easy enough to track down.


As far as not starting your 12v/3000 watt Victron Multiplus 2. I guess I'm not too surprised. I don't have a horse in this race, but I'm not surprised. I think you may have purchased the wrong battery.

Your inverter is rated at 3,000 watts (volt-amps, but whatever) with a surge rating of 5,500 watts.
Your battery has a recommend continuous rating of about 720 watts. That looks like a problem.

In amps:
Your inverter can pull ~ 263 amps continuous and 482 surge.
Your battery is rated at "recommended 60 amps continuous" "max continuous 200 amps"
I'm not sure I understand the difference between "max continuous" and "recommended continuous"
But, I'd probably lean towards the 60 amp number for continuous and 200 amps for surge.

If the 12v version doesn't have a built in precharge, there's your problem...
 
@Koldsimer measured the voltage while powering his Schneider XW Pro 6848 up. It was low voltage that never recovered. It's in this thread, but at 741 post, I don't expect everyone to read it all.

While I agree 1 battery isn't really enough unless it's really small (under 3,000 watts) inverter, due to peak current draws. But 1 battery shouldn't have any trouble starting any inverter without a load on it. Some of the EG4's do have issues starting inverters though "LifePower4's" and now it sounds like that 12v one also....

I don't know anything about the 12v batteries, specifically I do not know if they have a pre-charge. Might be a blessing if they don't, then you can wire a pre-charge circuit up and manually start them. You can't get around the LifePower4 pre-charge circuit issue, so being built in, if they don't work, you are screwed.
 
Did anyone ever get voltage readings when the precharge failed?

Seems like this should be easy enough to track down.


As far as not starting your 12v/3000 watt Victron Multiplus 2. I guess I'm not too surprised. I don't have a horse in this race, but I'm not surprised. I think you may have purchased the wrong battery.

Your inverter is rated at 3,000 watts (volt-amps, but whatever) with a surge rating of 5,500 watts.
Your battery has a recommend continuous rating of about 720 watts. That looks like a problem.

In amps:
Your inverter can pull ~ 263 amps continuous and 482 surge.
Your battery is rated at "recommended 60 amps continuous" "max continuous 200 amps"
I'm not sure I understand the difference between "max continuous" and "recommended continuous"
But, I'd probably lean towards the 60 amp number for continuous and 200 amps for surge.

If the 12v version doesn't have a built in precharge, there's your problem...
Based on your statement above
EG4 max 200amp recommended 60amp
Weize max peak 250amp allowed max 100amp
Battleborn is 100 Amp Continuous current, 200 Amp Surge Current
Victrons own battery is 100 Amp Continuous current, 200 Amp Surge Current
Both the Weize and a friends Battleborn have run flawlessly. Where did you come up with 263 amps to start the inverter? The 3,000 and 5,000 are output not draw, dc input is 9.7-17 volts, perhaps I’m not following what you are trying to explain. I’ve yet to get a clear answer weather the EG4 12v has a precharge, though I did try doing a precharge And it didn’t help. I think it must involve the BMS.
 
@Koldsimer measured the voltage while powering his Schneider XW Pro 6848 up. It was low voltage that never recovered. It's in this thread, but at 741 post, I don't expect everyone to read it all.

While I agree 1 battery isn't really enough unless it's really small (under 3,000 watts) inverter, due to peak current draws. But 1 battery shouldn't have any trouble starting any inverter without a load on it. Some of the EG4's do have issues starting inverters though "LifePower4's" and now it sounds like that 12v one also....

I don't know anything about the 12v batteries, specifically I do not know if they have a pre-charge. Might be a blessing if they don't, then you can wire a pre-charge circuit up and manually start them. You can't get around the LifePower4 pre-charge circuit issue, so being built in, if they don't work, you are screwed.
My guess is it’s built in and I’m screwed, I’ve actually given up on trying to figure it out. It’s simple it doesn’t work, now the question is what if anything SS is willing to do.
 
Where did you come up with 263 amps to start the inverter?
That's a rough estimate of the current at 3,000 watts, not the starting current.
The in-rush to start the inverter could be significantly higher (for just an instant) without a precharge resistor
 
The current needed to get any real power at 12 volts just gets crazy. But I also feel you should be able to use a pre charge resistor and get it to power up. The Victron inverter should have a fairly low idle current with no load on the output.

I would try the car headlight trick. Have a disconnect switch between the battery and the inverter. Turn on the battery and make sure it is putting out voltage. Connect a car headlight on the battery, and it should light it no problem. To be sure the battery is fully on, it should not dip voltage to just run a 50 watt or so headlight. No connect the headlight across the shut off switch. The 5 amps of bulb current will slow charge the capacitor bank in the inverter. Once the voltage at the inverter gets up to 10 volts, then turn on the disconnect switch. This should not trip the over current in the battery BMS.

IF that gets the inverter to power up, you should be about to load it to about 600 watts. Check your currents and voltages. Check for any voltage drop at all connections and feel if anything is getting warm.
 
Did anyone ever get voltage readings when the precharge failed?

Seems like this should be easy enough to track down.


As far as not starting your 12v/3000 watt Victron Multiplus 2. I guess I'm not too surprised. I don't have a horse in this race, but I'm not surprised. I think you may have purchased the wrong battery.

Your inverter is rated at 3,000 watts (volt-amps, but whatever) with a surge rating of 5,500 watts.
Your battery has a recommend continuous rating of about 720 watts. That looks like a problem.

In amps:
Your inverter can pull ~ 263 amps continuous and 482 surge.
Your battery is rated at "recommended 60 amps continuous" "max continuous 200 amps"
I'm not sure I understand the difference between "max continuous" and "recommended continuous"
But, I'd probably lean towards the 60 amp number for continuous and 200 amps for surge.

If the 12v version doesn't have a built in precharge, there's your problem...
Yes .I did i would say immediately after.
But almost immediately after battery goes to protect mode I measured 9vdc .
I think someone meantioned this so i tried it as well.
 
So I am guessing you checked the other day and discovered you did not have a Victron Multiplus 2? I never heard back after you said you thought you had one.
Yes sir, sorry I try to follow up with everyone here but it gets very overwhelming sometimes, especially during issues like this when everyone is reaching out. We did not have one in stock. I know we ordered 25 but the guy who ordered them is out this morning, he should be in this afternoon so I'll see if he remembers if that is one of them.
 
1) correct it doesn’t start my inverter
2) are you certain they don’t? I’ve tried precharging as well but it has not helped
3) no errors in the log, unless I am somehow looking at the wrong thing. But none on any tab
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Can you send a picture of your battery to me? Just want to verify which one you have - we have different manufacturers, different BMS, etc on a few of our models so if you are ALSO having an issue with a different model that's likely a completely unrelated issue.
 
Yes .I did i would say immediately after.
But almost immediately after battery goes to protect mode I measured 9vdc .
I think someone meantioned this so i tried it as well.
What happened when you externally precharged? And what did you use (what resistance) to precharge?
 

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