diy solar

diy solar

Signature Solar and the EG4-6000EX-48HV

Well Ben,
I'm looking at having to go through the trouble of trading out one of your EG4-6000EX-48HV units for glitchy firmware and poor communication from the SS side of things. My customer lost patience today and asked me to replace the unit that was to be an upgrade from a couple of Growatt units that had been functioning well for three years but had occasional minor issues. Nothing serious like this one though. I've waited on the phone, sent emails, tried to communicate with EG4 directly who threw it back to SS . So now it looks like I will have to purchase something elsewhere out of pocket and try to get SS to honor a warranty. From what I've seen of recent tech support I have a feeling I'm going to eat this one.
Stop having discount sales and just Do Better! No sense building a customer base only to destroy it from within.
Its like being in a busy restaurant that instead of focusing on new customers, all the effort is getting the new arrivals seated. There are lots of efficiencies vendors can do to reduce issues
 
I have seen Signature Solar get some real bad publicity here. Maybe things will be different now?
I sure do hope so Eber! The country is relying on companies like SS to support the installers so I think given time they will scale with growing pains, but will take a great culture willing to make everyday better, with continuous process improvement. Unfortunately, most of their technicians are under qualified and little to no engineers on site.
I have seen Signature Solar get some real bad publicity here. Maybe things will be different now?
 
Their phone line messags make excuses that they are overwhelmed due to high demand. Then the techicians take 2-3 days to respond to an email and tell me their phone lines are down and cant call me. The one guy who helped me during the design phase wss kind enough to call me back and advised that I should buy another unit if I wanted a replacement quickly. I have a feeling a chsrge back may be coming. Beyond deplorable support. Running like a ghost company.
It's the same BS excuses they have been giving for a year now. We are super busy and short staffed blah blah... If thats the case, open the wallet and hire some qualified, competent techs that can solve problems.

When i had my 2 month long ordeal with their problematic battery, i spent two weeks dealing with a tier 1 tech that didn't even know the battery they were selling had a resistor built in to provide a pre-charge function. After they escalated my issue, they just started blaming my system or my installation. It was clear that even Richard was 'learning as he went' with this battery. One day, we spent a couple hours on the phone and he remote accessed my system and couldn't even make simple changes to the pre-charge circuit. Keep in mind, my system worked flawlessly for two years with other brands of batteries, just not the Lifepower. They wasted so much of my time, it still pisses me off. Getting them to do the right thing was like pulling teeth. Like you said, beyond deplorable.

I know they provide cheap/decent products, but i can't ever justify spending money with them or recommending them when customer service is such a roll of the dice.
 
It's the same BS excuses they have been giving for a year now. We are super busy and short staffed blah blah... If thats the case, open the wallet and hire some qualified, competent techs that can solve problems.

When i had my 2 month long ordeal with their problematic battery, i spent two weeks dealing with a tier 1 tech that didn't even know the battery they were selling had a resistor built in to provide a pre-charge function. After they escalated my issue, they just started blaming my system or my installation. It was clear that even Richard was 'learning as he went' with this battery. One day, we spent a couple hours on the phone and he remote accessed my system and couldn't even make simple changes to the pre-charge circuit. Keep in mind, my system worked flawlessly for two years with other brands of batteries, just not the Lifepower. They wasted so much of my time, it still pisses me off. Getting them to do the right thing was like pulling teeth. Like you said, beyond deplorable.

I know they provide cheap/decent products, but i can't ever justify spending money with them or recommending them when customer service is such a roll of the dice.
your personal beef with SS is getting a bit tiresome...
i think your opinion was given in over 25 topics now, and people do know how you feel...
i suggest you stop the bashing
 
your personal beef with SS is getting a bit tiresome...
i think your opinion was given in over 25 topics now, and people do know how you feel...
i suggest you stop the bashing
Thanks for the suggestion. My suggestion for you, add me to your ignore list.

You think i'm bashing them? That's funny. My experience with Signature Solar is relevant here, so i'm not sure what your problem is. I could 'bash' them in a lot more threads but i choose not to.

This is like the third time you've felt the need to try and tell me what to post concerning Signature and their poor customer service. Control issues much?
 
Thanks for the suggestion. My suggestion for you, add me to your ignore list.

You think i'm bashing them? That's funny. My experience with Signature Solar is relevant here, so i'm not sure what your problem is. I could 'bash' them in a lot more threads but i choose not to.

This is like the third time you've felt the need to try and tell me what to post concerning Signature and their poor customer service. Control issues much?
not really just sick and tired of you taking every chance you get to bash them......

good suggestion, consider yourself ignored
 
Was thinking of purchasing my first off-grid batteries and all in one from SS...maybe I should avoid them.
 
Was thinking of purchasing my first off-grid batteries and all in one from SS...maybe I should avoid them.
LOTS of better vendors out there. Current Connected, Watts 24/7, Santan etc..

Just got 5 more batteries from CC and couldn't be happier.

Just compare the owners manuals from current connected to the ones offered by SS for things like their 48v batteries. Night and day difference. CC offers clear, concise information that's easy to access. SS still has like three different charging voltage recommendations for the same battery last i checked.
 
LOTS of better vendors out there. Current Connected, Watts 24/7, Santan etc..

Just got 5 more batteries from CC and couldn't be happier.

Just compare the owners manuals from current connected to the ones offered by SS for things like their 48v batteries. Night and day difference. CC offers clear, concise information that's easy to access. SS still has like three different charging voltage recommendations for the same battery last i checked.
Thank you...good to know. I ordered my 1st set of used panels from SanTan, set to arrive in a few days. Heard solid things about SanTan. Going with a good company is I think what I'm after, especially given the price/time/work spent.
 
Well Ben,
I'm looking at having to go through the trouble of trading out one of your EG4-6000EX-48HV units for glitchy firmware and poor communication from the SS side of things. My customer lost patience today and asked me to replace the unit that was to be an upgrade from a couple of Growatt units that had been functioning well for three years but had occasional minor issues. Nothing serious like this one though. I've waited on the phone, sent emails, tried to communicate with EG4 directly who threw it back to SS . So now it looks like I will have to purchase something elsewhere out of pocket and try to get SS to honor a warranty. From what I've seen of recent tech support I have a feeling I'm going to eat this one.
Stop having discount sales and just Do Better! No sense building a customer base only to destroy it from within.
Could you send me over your email address so i can look into it for you?
 
It's the same BS excuses they have been giving for a year now. We are super busy and short staffed blah blah... If thats the case, open the wallet and hire some qualified, competent techs that can solve problems.

When i had my 2 month long ordeal with their problematic battery, i spent two weeks dealing with a tier 1 tech that didn't even know the battery they were selling had a resistor built in to provide a pre-charge function. After they escalated my issue, they just started blaming my system or my installation. It was clear that even Richard was 'learning as he went' with this battery. One day, we spent a couple hours on the phone and he remote accessed my system and couldn't even make simple changes to the pre-charge circuit. Keep in mind, my system worked flawlessly for two years with other brands of batteries, just not the Lifepower. They wasted so much of my time, it still pisses me off. Getting them to do the right thing was like pulling teeth. Like you said, beyond deplorable.

I know they provide cheap/decent products, but i can't ever justify spending money with them or recommending them when customer service is such a roll of the dice.
Agree, it's the same stuff still going on for the last year.
Now they have added the Megarevo Inverter to their lineup which is another unit known for having major issues.
I am pretty sure when the posts start flooding in with issues they will pretend like they are totally shocked and surprised.
First they had poor Richard manning the Gun Tower and now it is Ben.
I feel sorry for the front line guys because I honestly think they have no one at the company to look to for answers. Why on Earth will James not bite the bullet and just hire a professional electronic Technician to help them out is completely beyond me.
 
Last edited:
"All Energys" never returned to the thread he started.
I am watching my EG4 6000ex-48 carefully but i do not seem to be having any
major issues at this time with it. It is a recent purchase.
Perhaps some of the issues have been resolved in the new releases?

 
I'll check if there is a scope I can borrow from work and do some testing on mine.
No luck on borrowing a scope to bring home and I'm not ripping it off the wall to take in for testing even though the technicians and engineers would love it.

Any recommendations on a scope on amazon? I have rewards points to burn ?

I have noticed a distinct change in pitch of my evaporative humidifier fan when running various loads, I don't see any crazy voltage swings (+/- 2) or frequency changes (+/- 0.2) when checking with my DMM but I don't know the sampling rate.

I have to say all in all I'm happy with the TP6048, it performed flawlessly last night when I decided to load it up running an induction cooktop, boiling water repeatedly with an electric kettle and running a steamer for a small sauna all while running the washer. There was a noticeable dim of the lights when the well pump cycled but it was definitely being overloaded during the startup surge. I saw over 70% load on each leg at one point and an imbalance of 60+% at another. I was also able to get it to run and charge from my non inverter genny last week when the grid was done for an extended period last week and the batteries were low. I must note is connected to the grid and have seen it switchover at times when the well pump kicks on but it has also ran the pump with no grid without issue as well (I wouldn't have known the grid was down if I didn't hear the neighbors genny, that put a smile on my face).
Hopefully SS and EG4 can figure out the shortcomings quickly, they seem like they are trying but it does get old and frustrating seeing the same things over and over.
 
Are the folks that are having issues paralleling these units?
I could use that information before buying another as my single unit is running decent so far.
Yes, I have not been able to sort it out yet. Sent manual updates yesterday regarding insufficient instructions on current sharing cable requirements when in parallel and NG bond, possible ground loop concerns from multiple inverters running concurrently. Waiting on answers from SS for two weeks now @signaturesolarHelpUs @SignatureSolarAdam
 
Any recommendations on a scope on amazon? I have rewards points to burn ?
How many reward points do you have to burn :ROFLMAO:
For Hobbyist the scope of choice is probably Siglent
This would probably be the lowest cost option.
Siglent SDS1052DL
For about $50 more you could get the SDS1202X-E which would be my choice in the reasonable budget range.

Rigol also makes good scopes and Owon make some fairly good cheap scopes but the interfaces are always confusing to use.

If your budget is not in that range then eBay is where you can find tons of good scopes for cheap but you got to do your research on EEVBLOG or some other forum to know if the model you are buying is good. I also am loath to recommend eBay for scopes because sometimes they have hidden issues that the seller is aware of but are not noticeable under casual use but will become apparent when trying to use certain features. Also calibration problems may be an issue that is not in the listing.

Avoid the really small hand held scopes. They look nice but they are typically crap when to comes operation and also memory depth. Also tiny screens means its hard to see and measure small problems.

Avoid older analog scopes because they typically cannot capture glitches because most have no memory and those that do are not worth the price versus a new Digital Scope.

PC based scopes work and are cheaper but they require a laptop to hook them into. Typically they are kind of slow and clucky to use but do have some good features for examining data.
 
My experiences with Signature Solar


I first became aware of Signature Solar about 18 months ago, from a solar customer who had a bank of EG4 batteries. The batteries were performing well and appeared to be very competitively priced.

Normally I avoid non-name brand solar equipment, however I also get many customers on a tight budget and don't want to leave them out. So I got in touch with Signature Solar and applied for wholesale pricing. I proceeded to place multiple orders and recommend them to other solar customers.

Their EG4 batteries work ok and I thought the new EG4 6000EX-48HV might be a good fit for some of my customers. I purchased two to resell and recommended two of my customers to purchase EG4 6000EX-48HV on their own, as well.

The two inverters I ordered arrived with the upper mounting bracket broken off. Upon further inspection, the bracket is only attached with four pop rivets. I thought, “No big deal, I’ll make my own improved version.” I attached to the upper threaded handle holes using angle steel.

The EG4 6000EX-48HV inverter does not list the idle consumption in any of it’s documentation, and now I see that’s probably because it consumes a lot! About 130 watts idle consumption for this unit. For comparison, a 4448 Magnum inverter consumes about 25 watts at idle and the OutBack 8048GSA consumes about 34 watts at idle. This is disappointing, but I decided I can accept this even though I don’t like it.

The biggest problem I have with this inverter is what happens when the lithium battery bank is fully charged. The AC output fluctuates a LOT, like 113-126 volts. It makes lights flicker and household fans etc speed up and slow down. This seems to be a problem with the built in charge controller. As soon as I turn off the solar input the problem stops. Also If I use a separate charge controller the problem does not happen.

I have been in touch with Signature Solar and at first I felt like I was getting somewhere. They acknowledged this is an issue and one lady in customer service says she herself owned the 6000EX, but ended up swapping it for the 6500EX-48 and no longer has that problem. I’ve been told that the solution for now is to keep a big enough load on the system, and they're working on a long-term solution….

This is not good enough for me and I decided I would like to return or exchange these inverters. That's when their customer service went from bad to worse. My wholesale account rep, Bruce, told me I need to complete a service request which entails sending them no less than 14 pictures. Not an easy task and the most leg work I have ever been asked for. I did this and then they told me my neutral and ground are swapped. This is not the case the wires are just labeled wrong (it happens).

So that's the end of them helping. For this problem I have called them 7 times and have emailed them numerous times. All we do is keep going in circles and blame-shifting. I am DONE with this BS.

Signature Solar has had so many excuses for poor business practices. Number one is “we are so busy” and number two is “we are short staffed.” Maybe cut back on the promotional sales and advertising, then?

As a human and a good business, our reputation is everything to us… I’ve lost some money over the years to keep our customers happy; it’s what good businesses do. I don't advertise, as word of mouth is all we need.

For one of my customers I did swap the EG4 6000EX-48HV inverter out for a magnum 4448 and no more problems! In the past 10 months I have spent over $64 thousand with Signature Solar and I will never give them another dollar.
Ouch I just red. your story and it makes me think now and reconsider I have full 30k battery rack in my cart with 2 x eg4 6000 ex - 48hv I really thought it was the way to go. now ???? cn you tell me. you replaced with a magnum 4448 and the problem went away. I actually have a 4400w magnum but with wet cell batteries I am told it is not the best inverter to charge lfepo battry ? Do you have a secret potion to program that magnum inverter ? may be I could order their batteries 24v system since my inverter is 24v thanks for your infos
 
SS did not have a solution for my problem with the 6500ex going nuts when the heat pump is on. Had to rig a relay and contactor to somewhat alleviate the issue. I realize there are some things you guys can't fix but I think it should be in the advertising and should offer a full refund if requested. At least I got 2 solar panel shipments without any damage.
 
For my understanding, what do other inverters do with OP's stated issue of full battery and solar still producing more than the load? Presumably shut down solar, drain battery, and reset when battery gets down around 90%. What does the EG4 do?

A fancier system could throttle the MPPTs to the load, but it is hard to make that stable.
 
Back
Top