Someone needs to build an off-grid specific unit with solark/luxpower level software and without grid interactive features so the price is lower. Like an upgraded lv6548.
@philatio What's that? thx@Eddie_Lux Please explain. In another post @robby asked the question, and @SignatureSolarJames confirmed it.
No I have direct contacts at Fortress Power and they were the ones who had the units from about 8 months ago and were beta testing then through their distributors.Can you post proof of this claim? Do you have a direct contact at luxpower?
There are three units. If he was selling 10,000 of them for a cheaper price I would understand. But three units is nothing.
Less greed?
Is that not an Apples vs Oranges comparison? Depends on what is the cost to produce the unit and the profit margins. Also the kind of service you plan on offering. I have never gotten a clueless technician at Sol-Ark so I assume they spend a lot of money hiring top notch staff.By that logic, I suppose we can also make the argument that Signature Solar has less greed than fortress power then? If current connected is also distributing the EG4, are you calling them greedy as well? Is solark the greediest of everyone then? Going by your logic here.
Sorry to see that you see it this way. @Zwy It made me laugh, to be honest.Here is what I see from just reading here and what limited information I can muster.
You (Eddie) are an importer here in the US and have an arrangement with Signature Solar. You purchase and import units from Lux.
Ian on the other hand seems to be purchasing units outside of your importing business.
You (Eddie) and Signature Solar have an "agreed" price to sell units, while Ian can price units at what he thinks is a fair margin.
You (Eddie) and Signature Solar are now claiming this is malicious, however, the FTC will tell you unless Ian is dumping on the market at a price below his purchase price, then it is not malicious.
That is how I see it.
Sounds like he’s being honest.Regardless of the price I am going to buy from EG4/Signatue solar so I know I will have support and a valid warranty. I may be incorrect but I am pretty sure the watts247 is trying to push Sol-Ark and not sell the Lux...if you go on his site he pretty much tells you this under the description.
NOTE, we MAY be discontinuing these models as our testing is showing they are not able supply rated loads and surges without AC power present, this is not a good situation. If it were me, I would go with the Sol-Ark 15k, a solid solution in ALL cases.
We will keep you posted on this.
as of 5 June 2023
Seems pretty counterproductive to sell for less of a price to gain traffic and try to sell a much more exspensive inverter....pretty horrible business tactics. For this reason and this reason alone my business will be through S.S. or an authorized Lux distributor.
Depends on the state. Where I live, there is no sales tax on solar equipment.Installers maybe, we have an installer price too. oranges and apples make great equations. also not a sales tax issue for one brand vs another, sales tax is the same. if you get a dealer not charging sales tax you are liable for use tax in your state. if they do drop cost then we are doing our job driving positive change in the market tho
Actually sounds like he is being extremely dishonest: Buy 3 units from an authorized distributor for "testing purposes." Pretend you have at least a container of these units in stock (essentially act you yourself are an authorized distributor, even though you had demurred when the opportunity came along). Sell or pretend to sell the units bought retail, and then announce to your customers that the units are not up to par, and they should buy something else you sell instead, which was the intention all along.Sounds like he’s being honest.
We do have a lot of states with no sales tax on our site , which one are you in?Depends on the state. Where I live, there is no sales tax on solar equipment.
I was thinking about how much you would take out of a Sol-ark if it was off grid only. To maintain all functionality, you could remove the isolation relay to take it off grid. You would then make the grid input a dedicated generator input. Gen input would then be available for ac solar or smart load. Not much savings removing the isolation relay.Someone needs to build an off-grid specific unit with solark/luxpower level software and without grid interactive features so the price is lower. Like an upgraded lv6548.
Having used the 18kpv off grid for a few weeks I’d agree. Better to have something with a few features you don’t need, then sacrifice others aspects that you may need.Yes you could remove the grid input/output and keep the generator input because you definitely will be wanting that for off grid. With no grid sell back you might be able to save yourself some money on certification and testing this feature.
However seeing as the Solark and Luxpower already have these and have been through the testing etc I don't think there's much to be saved if anything at all. Therefore I suggest that they are perfectly fine the way they are.
When you showed your load testing with EG4 18kpv on you tube with 14k just before it shut down, were you using grid power at all to do this or were you completely off grid?Having used the 18kpv off grid for a few weeks I’d agree. Better to have something with a few features you don’t need, then sacrifice others aspects that you may need.
Mine was real.I'll have all the cables and loads this afternoon to do a real off-grid load test. Should have some numbers soon.
Completely off grid. I haven’t actually run grid through the unit since I installed it.When you showed your load testing with EG4 18kpv on you tube with 14k just before it shut down, were you using grid power at all to do this or were you completely off grid?
That would be a true test of it's out put. If you can, also test it with a high inductive load such as an air compressor.The Sol Ark 12k failed that test compared to the Schneider.I'll have all the cables and loads this afternoon to do a real off-grid load test. Should have some numbers soon.
Yeah true. I’ve been tied up with other stuff. If Will could test each leg and some heavy inductive loads that would be cool.That would be a true test of it's out put. If you can, also test it with a high inductive load such as an air compressor.The Sol Ark 12k failed that test compared to the Schneider.
I mainly want to test the 16kW for 5 minutes spec on advertisements. I will use purely resistive load for this. Every inductive load I have run with it has worked flawlessly. And in EG4 video, they started a large air conditioner, so it seems like it can handle inductive loads well. But offgrid prolonged 14-16kW loads seem to be the issue.Yeah true. I’ve been tied up with other stuff. If Will could test each leg and some heavy inductive loads that would be cool.