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Who is actually manufacturing this inverter?

I also don't have a problem with it being made in China. But, I do prefer to buy American.
I don't appreciate deceptive marketing.
It is a quality (overpriced) product. That could have stood proudly on its own merits. It's a shame that they didn't believe in it.
 
1201 said:
My reasons for #neversolark

1. They LIE and claim deye technology as their own
2. They've stifled competition so the price is literally double what it should be for a deye split phase inverter in the usa
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1 - I have no idea how involved they are in the design of the current products, nor do I believe most people know. It's never mattered to me.
2 - They have an agreement with the manufacturer. The manufacture agreed to that agreement. If people really want a Sol-Ark, there must be a reason. If they don't want to pay the inflated price, then don't. But, it's not a deye, it's a Sol-Ark. I'm sure if one really wants a deye, they can get their hands on one. Then, when you have an issue, just call Sol-Ark :sneaky:

Again, these things don't matter to most people. Most people want a product that works, that is backed by a company when it doesn't.
Not any different than going to a surgeon. I will go to the best one, I don't really care about his/her personality. They can call me an effing ahole for all I care.
 
I have no horse in this race but it sounds like as soon as you deal with China, be prepared to be back stabbed. What is to say a "Pow Mr" version of these AIO doesn't show up on eBay/Amazon for under $3000.00?
 
Tulex said:
2 - They have an agreement with the manufacturer. The manufacture agreed to that agreement. If people really want a Sol-Ark, there must be a reason. If they don't want to pay the inflated price, then don't.
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at the expense of whom? And what was the underlying reason?
 
What was that comedy skit: Guy on his way to an executive-type job interview,
he is running late, cuts off some expensive car on the freeway,
later sees the same car heading to the last available parking spot, zips in front and gets the spot, flips the guy the 'bird' runs to the interview, has to wait - the interviewer is late...yup guess who shows up to do the interview...karma can be a B-otch.
 
Alkaline said:
I have no horse in this race but it sounds like as soon as you deal with China, be prepared to be back stabbed. What is to say a "Pow Mr" version of these AIO doesn't show up on eBay/Amazon for under $3000.00?
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Not really gonna happen with Chinese products. Chinese usually doesn't copy Chinese. Deye/Lux will sue the copycats.

Powmr is copying voltronic designs because voltronic is Taiwanese
 
GOO5E said:
at the expense of whom? And what was the underlying reason?
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My guess, China knows there is a market for high end inverters in America. They also know it has to meet American standards. I'm guessing that the deal is, you tell us how/what to change ( maybe, I don't know, nor do any of us ), we get to sell that product around the world except America, and you get exclusive rights in America. A win for China. Sol-Ark gets a win with exclusive rights. There is no way they could invest in support and the required listings like they have if the deye was also here. By the way, Sol-Ark isn't the retailer, they are the company that provides the product. I can buy a Sol-Ark anywhere. I believe I have 2 choices in buying the 18K?
 
Actually, you can buy any Deye inverter that you want.
Up until about a year ago, that included the split-phase versions.
Then Sol-Ark made a deal with Deye ,(purchased?) To get the exclusive rights to distribute the split-phase versions.
Now, the only way to purchase a Deye split-phase version. Is exclusively through Sol-Ark.
 
1201 said:
1. They LIE and claim deye technology as their own
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Not just regular consumers, industry experts like @HighTechLab seem to believe Sol-Ark's BS.


@HighTechLab , Here is the same inverter installed in Nigeria 3 years ago.


I guess Sol-Ark was field testing the 5kW inverter in poor countries 2.5 years before they introduced it in the US lol

Portable Solar, LLC v. Lion Energy, LLC, 2:22-CV-00026-DAK | Casetext Search + Citator

Read Portable Solar, LLC v. Lion Energy, LLC, 2:22-CV-00026-DAK, see flags on bad law, and search Casetext’s comprehensive legal database
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In or about 2018, it entered into a Non-Compete Agreement with NingBo Deye Inverter Technology Co. Ltd. (“Deye”), and that, pursuant thereto, Plaintiff had exclusive rights in the United States and Canada (the “Territory”) to market and sell Deye's storage string inverter products and technology
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timselectric said:
Actually, you can buy any Deye inverter that you want.
Up until about a year ago, that included the split-phase versions.
Then Sol-Ark made a deal with Deye ,(purchased?) To get the exclusive rights to distribute the split-phase versions.
Now, the only way to purchase a Deye split-phase version. Is exclusively through Sol-Ark.
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Lion energy was another brand that used to sell Deye's before Sol-Ark sued them for violating the non-compete agreement.

 
Tulex said:
My guess, China knows there is a market for high end inverters in America. They also know it has to meet American standards. I'm guessing that the deal is, you tell us how/what to change ( maybe, I don't know, nor do any of us ), we get to sell that product around the world except America, and you get exclusive rights in America. A win for China. Sol-Ark gets a win with exclusive rights. There is no way they could invest in support and the required listings like they have if the deye was also here. By the way, Sol-Ark isn't the retailer, they are the company that provides the product. I can buy a Sol-Ark anywhere. I believe I have 2 choices in buying the 18K?
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They used to sell deye split phase in the US. For thousands less.
Does China know there’s a market? It so, why did they eliminate such a large customer base?

The answer was: at the expense of the American consumer
The underlying reason? Money. Can’t have someone else selling the same thing cheaper.

Why would solark have to invest support for deye customers? I thought they were different inverters. Again, if the inverters are different. Where is the deye now?
 
RSahan said:
Not just regular consumers, industry experts like @HighTechLab seem to believe Sol-Ark's BS.

@HighTechLab , Here is the same inverter installed in Nigeria 3 years ago.

I guess Sol-Ark was field testing the 5kW inverter in poor countries 2.5 years before they introduced it in the US lol

Portable Solar, LLC v. Lion Energy, LLC, 2:22-CV-00026-DAK | Casetext Search + Citator

Read Portable Solar, LLC v. Lion Energy, LLC, 2:22-CV-00026-DAK, see flags on bad law, and search Casetext’s comprehensive legal database
casetext.com
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The quote from the video:

5:26 - every single capacitor was placed in the correct polarity. You don’t typically see this much effort
5:32 - on a design with stuff designed overseas, so this screams out to me American design,
5:37 - because it’s very common for stuff manufactured in America to be laid out like this.
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I was mainly referring to the design meeting manufacturing standards. My Electrical Engineer on staff is actually the one that noticed this and it stood out to him from his extensive experience in US based manufacturing. He suggested I include that in the video.

I called it how my EE saw it and drew a comparison. Did I state as fact who designed it? No...because if I claim a fact, I'm going to prove it with evidence and say straight out, "This was designed in America". I simply stated that you typically don't see this much effort, it "screamed out to me American design", looking at it and giving an opinion doesn't make me wrong or choosing one "side" over the other. I don't care who's inverter is on my bench, if it's laid out like this I'm going to say the exact same thing.

Please don't bring me into your drama or to push any of your ulterior motives with my content.
 
HighTechLab said:
Did I state as fact who designed it? No...because if I claim a fact, I'm going to prove it with evidence and say straight out, "This was designed in America". I simply stated that you typically don't see this much effort, it "screamed out to me American design", looking at it and giving an opinion doesn't make me wrong or choosing one "side" over the other.
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There is a company called DJI that makes drones, back in 2005 or so they were using a local usa company to distribute there products and they had an exclusive distribution agreement. Around 2008 is when they released the Phantom Drone, the first consumer level drone that did not require hobby level of expertise (no soldering or tech stuff) and it was clear that it was going to be a hit.

The local DJI distributor was hiring busy and doing what he could to keep up with demand but DJI China were like F our distribution contract we are gonna open up shop direct in LA.

So they did, ignored the distribution contract or did some other shady thing to where trying to prove violation would cost the US distributor an arm & leg.

Long story short, the US distributor got screwed, DJI started selling directly to bestbuy, target and other big name retailers and directly from their own new website while the US distributor went out of business.

So Yeah, The Chinese will come when they see the money, they just want to make sure it is there, they will happily let some other guy take on the risk to see if there is a market or not, but once they know it is they are a commin, ohh lawd they coming.

Anyway, for the consumer it was a better move, as DJI has become one of the best known Chines brands synonymous as the Sony of China and dominates the drone market.

BTW, they pulled the same tactic again with the Commercial / Agriculture drones, started with a distributor, had him bear the cost and setup a network, once they saw the money is there BOOM started selling directly to the public from there site for thousands less than the distributors were.

So bottom line, if you are competing in the same market as your supplier/manufacturer you are asking for a spanking. Sooner or later...
 
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