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Dongguan Lighting: Purchase 280AH LiFePo4 cells. Purchase & Review

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I've been hoping that once they were parallel balanced in sets of eight I could series connect them, screw on a fuse block and connect them each to my MPPT All-in-one 80a SCC and my 2.25kwh array and charge them to 28.8v. All that to say this: Are you saying that would be bad, that I can't charge them initially this way?
I have done it both ways and I would not go so so far as saying that it would be bad. but it would be better to charge them all in parallel to 3.65 volts. @upnorthandpersonal explained it to me with a graph that showed how flat the curve is. Therefore at 3.28 volts those volts are accurate and equal, but the SOC of the cells could be off by a percentage point or more. That may show up as one cell hitting to top sooner than the others. If that is bad for you then you can reach your own conclusion about whether your proposed short cut is worth it. The more time consuming cumbersome method increases the probabilities that the cells will all arrive at the top fairly close together and that should optimize the capacity of the pack.
 
@fhorst ,
You are trying an experiment by mixing cells of different capacity.

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I would also suggest you start a new thread so this experiment can be easier for others to find with search engines. That way it will help others.

Yes, that will be a good idea.
I already made a thread discussing the usage of different ah cells, "mix n match" and from it it became clear it is normal practice to do so.

Calling it "experiment" would suggest I'm doing something totally different then standard.

It's not.
Even adding new cells in parallel to old pack to boost the life is common practice!!

As lifepo4 doesn't drain other cells like Lead acid does, you can have "bad cells" mixed up with good ones!!

A "bad" old cell just doesn't have the same capacity, and for longer period of time it can have more difficulties to hold the charge.

Bad lead acid takes twice or more the amount of energy to charge, (normally 75% efficient, bad LA 50% or worse) can do about 20% of original capacity, and loses this fast (can't hold on for a few hours)

This already makes huge difference in usage.
Bad lifepo4 still is +95% efficient, can hold about 75% (or less) of original capacity, and holds it just fine for a couple of days.

In solar, daily charge and discharge, the low efficiency of LA is already bad with good battery, with bad ones...
Sad.
Holding on to this charge for just a few hours (less then 12) is the next problem.
After dawn, there are more hours without sunlight.

The only thing for Lifepo4 in daily charge / discharge is its lower capacity.

Adding new cells to overcome this limitation is used a lot, for many, many years not a problem and not experimental.

Adding lifepo4 to a bad lead acid setup, that would be experimental :)

When my cells arrive ( order will be finished in a few days) I'll make a new thread.

A few % difference in SOC is for me not a problem.
Balancing them by placing in parallel will balance just fine for my solar application.
1 or 2% difference in SOC will happen standard by just using them.
Even after official by the book top or bottom balance, after a few weeks or months.
It's just the nature of lifepo4.
They will go / be out of balance.

This is why @Will Prowse and others suggest to Balance every few months or once a year, depending on your usage.
Higher C rates will give greater imbalance.
(Did) Charging at C0.33 or C0.1 makes huge difference.( For me 230 or 70A)
Normally it will be mostly C.01 for most people, including me.
During rain season, I'm charging fast, as there are just a few hours of open sky/ full sunlight a day.
My solar panels are matched for those days.

Probably I need to balance twice a year, before and after rain season.

Having a few % imbalance in the cells and parallel sets is normal!

Naturally, when my new cells arrive, I will add them at the moment both cells have the same voltage, with the new cells as reference.
(Probably 3.29/3.30v)
After this top charge to 95 - 100%
And this twice a year to Balance the cells.

OT...
I wonder how battleborn does this, as their cells go max to 85%.
Maybe they just accept the imbalance?
 
I already made a thread discussing the usage of different ah cells, "mix n match" .........
Yes, I remember that discussion and since this is about the same subject I will respond in that thread here.

I am not the thread police but I have seen comments that the moderators would prefer long threads not be cluttered up with irrelevant comments. The topic of this thread is Donguan Lighting 280Ahr cells. Since the cells you want to talk about are 120 and 150 Ahr cells I am not going to clutter up this thread.
 
I have done it both ways and I would not go so so far as saying that it would be bad. but it would be better to charge them all in parallel to 3.65 volts. @upnorthandpersonal explained it to me with a graph that showed how flat the curve is. Therefore at 3.28 volts those volts are accurate and equal, but the SOC of the cells could be off by a percentage point or more. That may show up as one cell hitting to top sooner than the others. If that is bad for you then you can reach your own conclusion about whether your proposed short cut is worth it. The more time consuming cumbersome method increases the probabilities that the cells will all arrive at the top fairly close together and that should optimize the capacity of the pack.
Okay. Are you saying I could parallel all 32 and charge them to 3.65 (or 3.6) as one huge cell? Then I'd breakdown and series together my x4, 8 cell batteries.
 
Okay. Are you saying I could parallel all 32 and charge them to 3.65 (or 3.6) as one huge cell? Then I'd breakdown and series together my x4, 8 cell batteries.
That is the recommended procedure to get them to the same SOC. It is a pain in the butt, it can take several days, but it has the highest probability of getting the SOCs balanced at the top. In a stationary storage system. The top is where your pack is going to be closest to most often. If you don't mind seeing cell imbalance do it some other way. I did it the easy way with my Nissan Leaf Frankenpack and I see cell group deltas all over the place and I have 14 cells in parallel in a 14S12P pack.
 
Will a higher amp capacity BMS have a higher balance load capacity for shunting high cells on charge?

Don't think so. The small currents that some BMSes support are passive. Active balancing is something that is, as far as I know, not part of a BMS. See Will's video on active balancing:

The one he mentions is only 1.2A or something, but you can find them larger. That said, it would (for solar applications) still be best to balance them cell per cell before putting together a pack.

Do check out the follow up video as well though, since it's not all that great:

If you want something bigger (10A) that is truly active balancing, something like this (at a price):
https://www.amazon.com/Supercapacitor-Equalizer-Balancer-Bluetooth-Titanate/dp/B082V3YVZF?th=1
 
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Ordered 34 of these bad boys from Dongguan Lighting on 2020-02-24.
Delivered to my door, in Portugal, on 2020-04-02.

The bad:
I was very unimpressed with their physical appearance. 7 had minor external damage, and almost all arrived "dirty".
Rain Zeng said that it had to be damage from the transportation. Thought that doesn't explain their "dirt".
Cells straight out of the box:
LFP280Ah_Damage.jpg

The good:
I've been running them for 1 month, in a 16S2P configuration, and they are performing very, very well.
I had some initial trouble due to poor tightening of the busbars (my fault), but ever since I've been able to squeeze 28kWh in and out of them.
I coupled them with the tremendously expansive Batrium but the amount of configuration it allows and the seamless integration it has with my Victron ecosystems made it worth every penny.
Am considering expanding to 64 cells, therefore buying another 32, probably from Dongguan Lighting, if they can assure me a (much) batter packaging.


Project presentation here: https://diysolarforum.com/threads/flux-capacitor-is-live.7869/
 

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I purchased my first 8 cells from Dongguan after Rui did, end of April. I have just received them now, after "only" 30-ish days of transit. I also live in Portugal. I'm impressed with the packaging Rain did, maybe he learned from Rui's feedback - mine arrived safe and sound and perfect to the naked eye. I didn't test them yet, only measured voltage, all near 3.34V.
Will post later, but I don't have reason so far to believe they will not rise to expectation.
 
Today my batteries arrived.
16 X 280Ah

I've ordered and paid them 21-05.
Today 06-06, about 17 days.
Transport took "long" (normally 5-8 days) now 13 days.

Post Corona delays ..

Some pictures

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Batteries look good.
I like the protection on the terminators.

No protective corners, the boxes look like they could have used it, pretty banged up.

Voltage all at 3.30, just to be sure I hooked them together as one massive 4480A @3.30 volt.

Tomorrow I can check the size of my molds for pouring copper, if my measurements where correct.

After this, melting copper and making setup! :)

I payed under 75 USD + 17.50 for DDP to Thailand.

So far, so good ?
 

As far as I know, same company.
If not, good copy cat :)

And should make new thread for this seller.

But that's a lot of different sellers if we do them all.

Anyway, look like the same factory, same as the others, the batteries.
For busbars, I can't remember seeing pictures from other buyers.

The white foam was so thick, they could have dropped it from 3 meters without getting into trouble / possible damage.

Outside carton just got banged up.
 

As far as I know, same company.
If not, good copy cat :)

And should make new thread for this seller.

But that's a lot of different sellers if we do them all.

Anyway, look like the same factory, same as the others, the batteries.
For busbars, I can't remember seeing pictures from other buyers.

The white foam was so thick, they could have dropped it from 3 meters without getting into trouble / possible damage.

Outside carton just got banged up.
I asked because packaging was different from Lighting.
 
I saw this seller too and am talking to them.
Still seems like the eve product. pricing is same, but shipping it alot cheaper.
 
I saw this seller too and am talking to them.
Still seems like the eve product. pricing is same, but shipping it alot cheaper.

The shipping tends to be a bit slower than Xuba, that's probably why. I ordered the same cells as another member here the same day (28.4.). I ordered from Dongguan, he ordered from Xuba. We're both in Europe, both got rail/boat slow shipping, DDP. His cells arrived Friday (37 days after his order). My Dongguan ones don't even register their DPD tracking number as of today (41 days and counting). This means they either haven't reached Europe/haven't cleared customs. ?

Xuba also provides the tracking number and such beforehand. With Dongguan I had to repeatedly contact Tim Yau before he sent it to me. It took him 2-3 weeks to get me the number. You get what you pay for in this respect: Extra $40 = better and friendlier service, quicker response via chat, quicker shipping from Xuba.
 
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The shipping tends to be a bit slower than Xuba, that's probably why. I ordered the same cells as another member here the same day (28.4.). I ordered from Dongguan, he ordered from Xuba. We're both in Europe, both got rail/boat slow shipping, DDP. His cells arrived Friday (37 days after his order). My Dongguan ones don't even register their DPD tracking number as of today (41 days and counting). This means they either haven't reached Europe/haven't cleared customs. ?

Xuba also provides the tracking number and such beforehand. With Dongguan I had to repeatedly contact Tim Yau before he sent it to me. It took him 2-3 weeks to get me the number. You get what you pay for in this respect: Extra $40 = better and friendlier service, quicker response via chat, quicker shipping from Xuba.

Thats good feedback!

In my case, They are $8 a cell cheap, plus $40 shipping. so thats $100 USD for 8 cells. Which is pretty significant. So I guess is Billion we go...
 
The shipping tends to be a bit slower than Xuba, that's probably why. I ordered the same cells as another member here the same day (28.4.). I ordered from Dongguan, he ordered from Xuba. We're both in Europe, both got rail/boat slow shipping, DDP. His cells arrived Friday (37 days after his order). My Dongguan ones don't even register their DPD tracking number as of today (41 days and counting)....
Hey I don't think you can conflate rail/boat as one thing since one goes through Russia which has considerable lockdown controls in place right now not to mention there's only 1 rail so it's totally FIFO operation and surely there's lots of backlog post Wuhan flu, whereas shipping by sea is a parallel operation (lots of space for lots of boats).
Too many variables I think to pin it on 1 company being more efficient than another. If the shipping method were identical then you may have a point there...
 

As far as I know, same company.
If not, good copy cat :)

And should make new thread for this seller.

But that's a lot of different sellers if we do them all.

Anyway, look like the same factory, same as the others, the batteries.
For busbars, I can't remember seeing pictures from other buyers.

The white foam was so thick, they could have dropped it from 3 meters without getting into trouble / possible damage.

Outside carton just got banged up.
I think they may be different companies, just both are located in "Dongguan."
I have absolutely nothing to base that on though haha...
 
I order 8 cells today.
Delivered to Australia by sea was $815 us

Hope that helps
 

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