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Solar powered mini split vs just using inverter and batteries with old mini split.

What I can say is my August bill is $295 just for electric Use and Delivery charges - typical for summer months.
The rest of the time its only like $50 bucks, maybe a little spike for Christmas lights... so AC is the number one draw in my home.
So dedicating Panels to the number one power sucker makes sense to me. Why would I spend another 5 to 10k to upgrade my Batterys, Panels and Charge Converter/Inverter for just $50 bucks worth of power per month. That payoff would be 16.6 years down the road.

So if we averaged saving say $200 x 4 summer months, Payed $3000 for the system, Got $900 back on the taxes. -
That's $2100 COP divided by $800 savings a year = payoff in 2.625 years.
That's not to mention any heat savings I would incur in winter. Gas here is cheap compared to electric and I usually run a gas fireplace for 75% of my heating needs so I would need some real time usage to figure that out.

I hopefully wont be pulling ANY power from the grid because the AC Part will be plugged into my smaller Solar Battery System when my Solar output varies. Its just enough to do that, but not enough to run the whole Mini-Split and expect Battery charging at the same time.

I have no issue with using a Mini-Split thru an already existing large Solar infrastructure.
And I see the draw... its very addicting and you just want more.
I am just trying to make a case to "Haters" who say there is no place for a dedicated Solar Panel driven Mini-Split.
- For those reading this in research, this is a cheap, quick payout and easy way to get into Solar,
- For those with small to medium sized systems this maybe a way to up your game without having to redo the system you already have.
- For those who have gone whole hog on Solar, more is better isn't it. : ) Get the AC/DC one and sleep better at night knowing if your system blows up you can just plug your panels directly into the Mini-Split.

Different strokes for different folks, doesn't make it right or wrong. But in terms of cost I think the AC/DC is a winner.
I like the napkin math, and if the ROI works better it's obviously a win. The question is how much you can you actually drop the $295 with the DC unit. The nice thing about a DC HVAC is it is likely to produce the most benefit when it is actually needed the most, ie when the sun is beating down cooking your abode, so you really can't go wrong over the long term no matter what you do. Let us know how it works out in reality. Panels are pretty cheap, but there is also the apples/oranges issue as to how much you would have saved just replacing with a high seer, less expensive vanilla AC mini-split. This is what makes this stuff interesting!
 
I'm not sure what you mean by "look at the efficiency of that old unit"?? That was sort of the purpose of my post. Do I keep using this older less efficient mini split or do I invest in a newer more efficient unit? Please elaborate on your point so I can better understan
Lets be honest with our selfs, most of the numbers you see in "newer" model gains is in certain conditions and fudging numbers with all this seer non-sense.
 
Lets be honest with our selfs, most of the numbers you see in "newer" model gains is in certain conditions and fudging numbers with all this seer non-sense.
Shocking i say... The big SEER(2) gain in a mini-split is the removal of the ducting. Thus you end up with a big honking box on the wall for your air handler, instead of a small vent in the ceiling, and a centralized return. This creates airflow issues for smaller rooms (bathrooms, walk-in-closets) that are no longer vented. Which is why people moved away from window units to centrally located ducted systems in the first place. But I digress. They are drastically more efficient at the expense of controlling air flow easily throughout your structure.
 
Shocking i say... The big SEER(2) gain in a mini-split is the removal of the ducting. Thus you end up with a big honking box on the wall for your air handler, instead of a small vent in the ceiling, and a centralized return. This creates airflow issues for smaller rooms (bathrooms, walk-in-closets) that are no longer vented. Which is why people moved away from window units to centrally located ducted systems in the first place. But I digress. They are drastically more efficient at the expense of controlling air flow easily throughout your structure.
To be fair,

They've started offering casettes now too. So, no big honking box on the wall. it's just a small vent.
 
I like the napkin math, and if the ROI works better it's obviously a win. The question is how much you can you actually drop the $295 with the DC unit. The nice thing about a DC HVAC is it is likely to produce the most benefit when it is actually needed the most, ie when the sun is beating down cooking your abode, so you really can't go wrong over the long term no matter what you do. Let us know how it works out in reality. Panels are pretty cheap, but there is also the apples/oranges issue as to how much you would have saved just replacing with a high seer, less expensive vanilla AC mini-split. This is what makes this stuff interesting!
A tangent to why I prefer the DC:

Back on April 1st my Town in New Jersey experienced a rare Tornado. I was in my attached garage at the time. It sounded like a commuter plane had broken the sky and coming down... you know that sound. Then battering winds and crashing as the tree across the street took down 5 telephone poles like dominoes. My whole house started buzzing, then one of the transformer poles blew... and Bam! Sparks shot out of my breaker box like 3 feet and 2 light bulbs in the ceiling shot right out of the sockets! Very crazy, my Daughter and Wife were huddled in the Den screaming and crying and I was almost ready to get everyone under the crawlspace, as we have no basement, but the worst of it was over. 3 of my own trees down, one totaling one of my cars. downspouts and siding ripped off the house.

I was out of power for a week while they repaired the electrical lines and had an electrician replace my fried breaker box. but with the help of my little Lithium 200ah/200wPV Solar setup I really didn't skip a beat. We we able to watch TV, charge phones/ipads and have lights. All the necessities that keep you from going crazy like my neighbor. At night with the neighborhood completely quite and dark he could see my lights and TV thru my Sunroom into my Den and approached me asking if I had Solar and what was i watching? DVD's since the Cable and Internet was down?... He said his Wife was going nuts with no TV. I told him no. See those antennas on my roof. I'm watching local TV. He had no clue antennas still worked.

Anyway I realized the only things you really need in an emergency situation. Unfortunately I couldn't get my 1000w pure wave inverter to run my fridge. It would start to run and the then stop in like 30 seconds, but I didn't push it. In my situation we ordered out for a week and put ice in the fridge for cold beer. Insurance payed for my spoiled food.
Now luckily this was April, no need for Heat or AC.... So this brings me to why I'm sharing this. The other Necessity - AIR CONDITIONING. If this had been in the thick of Summer it would have been a completely different story. I wouldn't have been able to stay at my house.

So, I started looking into these DC Mini-Splits. Like I say in my situation I could get by with my little Battery system for emergency. But the Boyscout in me wanted the preparedness of having AC also. My cheapest out of pocket option (with a Kid in collage) was not to enlarge my system, but add on to my system.

As far as the the less expensive vanilla one, I think that's a negligible $400 bucks, and the Panels I could always repurpose in the future if I did expand my battery system.

so you really can't go wrong over the long term no matter what you do.

Your right here, no matter what you plug it into, Battery, Solar or Grid; Mini-Splits are gonna save you money. I just finally got the Lines outside, that's a whole nother story. Install is not for the faint of heart; cutting holes threw your house... Should be conecting the Lines this week now thats its bearable to work outside without heat stroke.
 
What I can say is my August bill is $295 just for electric Use and Delivery charges - typical for summer months.
The rest of the time its only like $50 bucks, maybe a little spike for Christmas lights... so AC is the number one draw in my home.
So dedicating Panels to the number one power sucker makes sense to me. Why would I spend another 5 to 10k to upgrade my Batterys, Panels and Charge Converter/Inverter for just $50 bucks worth of power per month. That payoff would be 16.6 years down the road.

So if we averaged saving say $200 x 4 summer months, Payed $3000 for the system, Got $900 back on the taxes. -
That's $2100 COP divided by $800 savings a year = payoff in 2.625 years.
That's not to mention any heat savings I would incur in winter. Gas here is cheap compared to electric and I usually run a gas fireplace for 75% of my heating needs so I would need some real time usage to figure that out.

I hopefully wont be pulling ANY power from the grid because the AC Part will be plugged into my smaller Solar Battery System when my Solar output varies. Its just enough to do that, but not enough to run the whole Mini-Split and expect Battery charging at the same time.

I have no issue with using a Mini-Split thru an already existing large Solar infrastructure.
And I see the draw... its very addicting and you just want more.
I am just trying to make a case to "Haters" who say there is no place for a dedicated Solar Panel driven Mini-Split.
- For those reading this in research, this is a cheap, quick payout and easy way to get into Solar,
- For those with small to medium sized systems this maybe a way to up your game without having to redo the system you already have.
- For those who have gone whole hog on Solar, more is better isn't it. : ) Get the AC/DC one and sleep better at night knowing if your system blows up you can just plug your panels directly into the Mini-Split.

Different strokes for different folks, doesn't make it right or wrong. But in terms of cost I think the AC/DC is a winner.
I'm in a pretty similar situation. I live in Alabama. My power bill jumps by nearly triple in the summer (I have natural gas heat) Bill was nearly $400 this month. Most of the living space in my home is on the main level, just an open room in the basement. A system such as this EG4 mini split seems to make sense. Especially when considering the regulations on solar in Alabama. If I am grid tied, then I owe Alabama power over $5 per Kw of solar that I have on my property. This seems like a pretty good way to offset my bill without being taxed.
 
I have one 24K unit that cools my kitchen/dinning room and blows into the living room. This unit currently runs off my inverters and main panels. I have another 24K unit that is running only on it's own 7 used panels. It comes on around 8:30 to 9:00 and runs till low sun. This is in a bedroom with my Freeze drier which puts off a lot of heat. It blows out of this bedroom and helps cool the rest of the house. I also bought a Senville for around $900 for my bedroom. My thinking was that it would only run at night so why go with the solar assist. That was a mistake. Before I got the second 24K unit, I was running it to help cool the house during the day. I think the few hundred dollars extra is worth it for being able to run off it's own panels. So far they have been running great. I have never kept my house this cool before. The only problem is keeping my wife from turning them down because she is too cold.
Great info. I was also thinking a Senville for the 2 unused bedrooms. Then the EG4 for great room, kitchen, master. All hooked up to the grid for now but eventually to solar panels.
 
What I can say is my August bill is $295 just for electric Use and Delivery charges - typical for summer months.
The rest of the time its only like $50 bucks, maybe a little spike for Christmas lights... so AC is the number one draw in my home.
So dedicating Panels to the number one power sucker makes sense to me. Why would I spend another 5 to 10k to upgrade my Batterys, Panels and Charge Converter/Inverter for just $50 bucks worth of power per month. That payoff would be 16.6 years down the road.

So if we averaged saving say $200 x 4 summer months, Payed $3000 for the system, Got $900 back on the taxes. -
That's $2100 COP divided by $800 savings a year = payoff in 2.625 years.
That's not to mention any heat savings I would incur in winter. Gas here is cheap compared to electric and I usually run a gas fireplace for 75% of my heating needs so I would need some real time usage to figure that out.

I hopefully wont be pulling ANY power from the grid because the AC Part will be plugged into my smaller Solar Battery System when my Solar output varies. Its just enough to do that, but not enough to run the whole Mini-Split and expect Battery charging at the same time.

I have no issue with using a Mini-Split thru an already existing large Solar infrastructure.
And I see the draw... its very addicting and you just want more.
I am just trying to make a case to "Haters" who say there is no place for a dedicated Solar Panel driven Mini-Split.
- For those reading this in research, this is a cheap, quick payout and easy way to get into Solar,
- For those with small to medium sized systems this maybe a way to up your game without having to redo the system you already have.
- For those who have gone whole hog on Solar, more is better isn't it. : ) Get the AC/DC one and sleep better at night knowing if your system blows up you can just plug your panels directly into the Mini-Split.

Different strokes for different folks, doesn't make it right or wrong. But in terms of cost I think the AC/DC is a winner.
=)
 
A tangent to why I prefer the DC:

Back on April 1st my Town in New Jersey experienced a rare Tornado. I was in my attached garage at the time. It sounded like a commuter plane had broken the sky and coming down... you know that sound. Then battering winds and crashing as the tree across the street took down 5 telephone poles like dominoes. My whole house started buzzing, then one of the transformer poles blew... and Bam! Sparks shot out of my breaker box like 3 feet and 2 light bulbs in the ceiling shot right out of the sockets! Very crazy, my Daughter and Wife were huddled in the Den screaming and crying and I was almost ready to get everyone under the crawlspace, as we have no basement, but the worst of it was over. 3 of my own trees down, one totaling one of my cars. downspouts and siding ripped off the house.

I was out of power for a week while they repaired the electrical lines and had an electrician replace my fried breaker box. but with the help of my little Lithium 200ah/200wPV Solar setup I really didn't skip a beat. We we able to watch TV, charge phones/ipads and have lights. All the necessities that keep you from going crazy like my neighbor. At night with the neighborhood completely quite and dark he could see my lights and TV thru my Sunroom into my Den and approached me asking if I had Solar and what was i watching? DVD's since the Cable and Internet was down?... He said his Wife was going nuts with no TV. I told him no. See those antennas on my roof. I'm watching local TV. He had no clue antennas still worked.

Anyway I realized the only things you really need in an emergency situation. Unfortunately I couldn't get my 1000w pure wave inverter to run my fridge. It would start to run and the then stop in like 30 seconds, but I didn't push it. In my situation we ordered out for a week and put ice in the fridge for cold beer. Insurance payed for my spoiled food.
Now luckily this was April, no need for Heat or AC.... So this brings me to why I'm sharing this. The other Necessity - AIR CONDITIONING. If this had been in the thick of Summer it would have been a completely different story. I wouldn't have been able to stay at my house.

So, I started looking into these DC Mini-Splits. Like I say in my situation I could get by with my little Battery system for emergency. But the Boyscout in me wanted the preparedness of having AC also. My cheapest out of pocket option (with a Kid in collage) was not to enlarge my system, but add on to my system.

As far as the the less expensive vanilla one, I think that's a negligible $400 bucks, and the Panels I could always repurpose in the future if I did expand my battery system.



Your right here, no matter what you plug it into, Battery, Solar or Grid; Mini-Splits are gonna save you money. I just finally got the Lines outside, that's a whole nother story. Install is not for the faint of heart; cutting holes threw your house... Should be conecting the Lines this week now thats its bearable to work outside without heat stroke.
Wow, how scary!!! And if it had been hot out, the whole neighborhood would have been sitting in your house! Glad everyone was safe.
 
Shocking i say... The big SEER(2) gain in a mini-split is the removal of the ducting. Thus you end up with a big honking box on the wall for your air handler, instead of a small vent in the ceiling, and a centralized return. This creates airflow issues for smaller rooms (bathrooms, walk-in-closets) that are no longer vented. Which is why people moved away from window units to centrally located ducted systems in the first place. But I digress. They are drastically more efficient at the expense of controlling air flow easily throughout your structure.
I think the only way to get away with using 1 mini-split in a home (located in my Dinning room) is have the thermostat blower on "Circulate". This will randomly turn on the Fan to balance out the house. This of course creates losses in vents, but if its virtually free AC in the daytime who cares I suppose... we'll see how it works out.
 
Well... Panels are arriving tomorrow. I got this sweet deal on Signature Solar. Free shipping to boot.
300watt panels for 100 buck!

Hyundai 305W Half-Cell Monofacial Solar Panel ( Black ) | HiA-S305HG. Your Price: $110.50​


I had to buy 10 Panels. but I would have paid $1000 bucks for 5 - 200watt panels on Amazon. What a steal!
so... my System upgrade may come sooner than later, as I'll only use 4 or 5 Panels on this.
 

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Great info. I was also thinking a Senville for the 2 unused bedrooms. Then the EG4 for great room, kitchen, master. All hooked up to the grid for now but eventually to solar panels.
If the bedrooms are unused why ? Lol
Just do it. when I first bought this I did not even consider the heating capabilities. Just got 3 test panels up today and getting home heat for the cost of running a tv. When I do the final install with 4 panels it most likely will be totally free
it is a project but like Confuses says; “The longest journey starts with a single step”
 
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What I can say is my August bill is $295 just for electric Use and Delivery charges - typical for summer months.
The rest of the time its only like $50 bucks, maybe a little spike for Christmas lights... so AC is the number one draw in my home.
So dedicating Panels to the number one power sucker makes sense to me. Why would I spend another 5 to 10k to upgrade my Batterys, Panels and Charge Converter/Inverter for just $50 bucks worth of power per month. That payoff would be 16.6 years down the road.

So if we averaged saving say $200 x 4 summer months, Payed $3000 for the system, Got $900 back on the taxes. -
That's $2100 COP divided by $800 savings a year = payoff in 2.625 years.
That's not to mention any heat savings I would incur in winter. Gas here is cheap compared to electric and I usually run a gas fireplace for 75% of my heating needs so I would need some real time usage to figure that out.

I hopefully wont be pulling ANY power from the grid because the AC Part will be plugged into my smaller Solar Battery System when my Solar output varies. Its just enough to do that, but not enough to run the whole Mini-Split and expect Battery charging at the same time.

I have no issue with using a Mini-Split thru an already existing large Solar infrastructure.
And I see the draw... its very addicting and you just want more.
I am just trying to make a case to "Haters" who say there is no place for a dedicated Solar Panel driven Mini-Split.
- For those reading this in research, this is a cheap, quick payout and easy way to get into Solar,
- For those with small to medium sized systems this maybe a way to up your game without having to redo the system you already have.
- For those who have gone whole hog on Solar, more is better isn't it. : ) Get the AC/DC one and sleep better at night knowing if your system blows up you can just plug your panels directly into the Mini-Split.

Different strokes for different folks, doesn't make it right or wrong. But in terms of cost I think the AC/DC is a winner.
I have had a hybrid ad/dc solar mini split in my garage for two years and it works well. My son wants to do a step van rv build and was thinking about installing a hybrid mini split like I have in it and plug the AC side into his inverter.

Or, should he just build a bigger and more robust solar/inverter/battery system for the van and use a regular/cheap 120v AC mini split?
 
This will be more cost effective and versatile.
This is what I was thinking as well.

Can you recommend an inverter and battery setup that would run a 120v AC mini split for a few hours at night?

Also, should he get a DC fridge or run a cheaper AC fridge off the inverter?

Sorry, not trying to hijack the thread.
 
This is what I was thinking as well.

Can you recommend an inverter and battery setup that would run a 120v AC mini split for a few hours at night?

Also, should he get a DC fridge or run a cheaper AC fridge off the inverter?

Sorry, not trying to hijack the thread.
Probably would be better to start a new thread. So that the responses aren't confusing.
 
I have had a hybrid ad/dc solar mini split in my garage for two years and it works well. My son wants to do a step van rv build and was thinking about installing a hybrid mini split like I have in it and plug the AC side into his inverter.

Or, should he just build a bigger and more robust solar/inverter/battery system for the van and use a regular/cheap 120v AC mini split?
Your talking $$$ in batteries. I just don't get why people spend the money to build a "Robust" system to run a mini-split when these Hybrids are available. Sure you have to run it off the Grid at night but what does that really cost you compared to spending 5 to 10k on a system that could handle it 24/7. Plus your talking about building it in a Van? Thats allot of equipment.

Im not sure what his Inverter can handle, but you can run these straight off of solar also. You really dont need to have them plugged in. They will throttle off and on as solar power permits

In his situation I would buy a bluettu 2000 and throw it in the Van. It will run a mini-split for 4 -6 hours. cost you $1500 bucks. Has PV inputs.
And talk about versatile, Just carry it around to where you need it. Take it outside to charge on some portable Panels or whatever.
 
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Your talking $$$ in batteries. I just don't get why people spend the money to build a "Robust" system to run a mini-split when these Hybrids are available. Sure you have to run it off the Grid at night but what does that really cost you compared to spending 5 to 10k on a system that could handle it 24/7. Plus your talking about building it in a Van? Thats allot of equipment.

Im not sure what his Inverter can handle, but you can run these straight off of solar also. You really dont need to have them plugged in. They will throttle off and on as solar power permits

In his situation I would buy a bluettu 2000 and throw it in the Van. It will run a mini-split for 4 -6 hours. cost you $1500 bucks. Has PV inputs.
And talk about versatile, Just carry it around to where you need it. Take it outside to charge on some portable Panels or whatever.
He will be off grid when parked at job sites, so the hybrid mini split doesn’t really make sense for him.

I’m thinking he can run it on one $1350 Eg4 48v 5kw rack battery for 4-5 hours each night, and if not maybe add another rack battery.
 
I have just been looking at the

pecron Portable Power Station E2000LFP,1920Wh LiFePO4 Battery Backup Expandable to 8064Wh 6X2000W AC Outlets 1200W Max Solar Input Backup Power for Outdoors Camping Fishing Emergency​


They have it on sale right now for $900 bucks. Only 160AH compared to the EG4 Rack. But already includes the 2000w pure wave inverter and Charge controller. And if you add on the

EB3000 3072Wh Expansion Battery​

you could get 416AH out of it.

Just a though. I like this! I may pick up one myself for this price.
 
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