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Hello guys I'm new here. I work for a China battery company and I guess I know something you're interesting in. Ask whatever you wanna know

I am more interested with the gray market questions.
I understand the best batteries are reserved for those high end automotive or stationery energy storage stuff.
How about those cells that don't pass the test? There are many questions I like to ask about these "unwanted" cells that currently in gray market.3

  1. Why are those cells "discarded"?
  2. What kind of tests that make those cells failed to be qualified?
  3. Why company doesn't simply recycle those failed cell, yet they auctioned those and many unscrupulous people "relasered" it to trick people?
  4. Why the manufacture does have DIRECT TO Customers sales?
 
I am more interested with the gray market questions.
I understand the best batteries are reserved for those high end automotive or stationery energy storage stuff.
How about those cells that don't pass the test? There are many questions I like to ask about these "unwanted" cells that currently in gray market.3

  1. Why are those cells "discarded"?
  2. What kind of tests that make those cells failed to be qualified?
  3. Why company doesn't simply recycle those failed cell, yet they auctioned those and many unscrupulous people "relasered" it to trick people?
  4. Why the manufacture does have DIRECT TO Customers sales?

Both automotive batteries and energy storage batteries are classified differently due to their different focuses. Automotive batteries emphasize power density, while energy storage batteries emphasize energy density. Here is the response to your questions:

1. Batteries are typically graded during production, with those meeting the target requirements classified as Grade A. Batteries with higher internal resistance or higher self-discharge rates are classified as Grade B. Depending on the quality, there may even be Grade C and D. Qualified products are retained, while non-qualified products are typically destroyed(under normal circumstances).

2. Testing is usually based on the battery's performance in meeting standards, such as internal resistance, capacity, self-discharge rate, etc. Specialized tools are often required for testing.

3. This topic involves economic issues and is a microcosm of the entire economic world. Non-qualified products don't necessarily mean they are completely unusable. For small businesses, production capacity and quality control are often not high, resulting in a higher rate of non-qualified batteries. If, as you suggest, every non-qualified battery is discarded, the cost would become very high. The increased production cost would then be passed on to consumers. Assuming the market price is generally 1 USD, but the non-qualified rate increases production costs, even exceeding 1 USD. Do you think consumers would bear the cost? If not, businesses would close, creating a serious problem. Large enterprises also face this issue, having evolved from small enterprises.

4. This issue is strategy-oriented. Traditional manufacturing industries generally don't directly sell to end consumers because their focus is on manufacturing and research and development. Face-to-face sales are typically within the scope of brand merchants. However, you can see new manufacturing industries engaging in customer marketing. This strategy allows them to gain more partners. When consumers choose products manufactured by XXX, it forces distributors and brand merchants to actively contact XXX, helping them expand their sales network because it is profitable in this network. Regardless of whether the manufacturing industry directly markets to end customers, there is a bottom line—they will not disclose prices to end customers. This means no profit for distributors. It is good for consumers but disastrous for manufacturers because manufacturers have limited access to customers, while distributors can take products worldwide, as long as it's profitable.
 
In the battery business in China do people talk about the market for DIY batteries and customers purchasing raw cells, or is it so small that it is mostly ignored?
Chinese consumers also buy battery cells for assembly, whether out of interest or practicality. However, the number of people doing so is limited. Assembled products are typically used for small devices, such as replacing batteries in solar-powered lights or swapping batteries for electric bicycles. For outdoor portable power sources, only a very small number of enthusiasts engage in DIY, as it requires higher technical expertise beyond the simple connection of positive and negative terminals. If one buys battery cells, they also need to be matched, which demands specialized tools. Therefore, DIY batteries exist, but this segment of the population currently constitutes a small proportion. It is also possible that I may have made an inaccurate judgment due to not being involved in their community.
 
Chinese consumers also buy battery cells for assembly, whether out of interest or practicality. However, the number of people doing so is limited. Assembled products are typically used for small devices, such as replacing batteries in solar-powered lights or swapping batteries for electric bicycles. For outdoor portable power sources, only a very small number of enthusiasts engage in DIY, as it requires higher technical expertise beyond the simple connection of positive and negative terminals. If one buys battery cells, they also need to be matched, which demands specialized tools. Therefore, DIY batteries exist, but this segment of the population currently constitutes a small proportion. It is also possible that I may have made an inaccurate judgment due to not being involved in their community.
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@Battery_Kate - I am reading all your comments and learning some new information too - thankyou for taking the time to join the DIY Solar Forum, and writing to us.
I would like to know if your company is working on a Sodium Battery cell for distribution?
No we mainly focus on LFP battery cause the mother company is the cathode materials provider. But sodium battery seems to be a new trend? Another guy asking me about the sodium battery before and I did some research. There are some companies working on it and I will share it at here. Information is collected from China Social Media.1705456099457.png
 
@Battery_Kate - I am reading all your comments and learning some new information too - thankyou for taking the time to join the DIY Solar Forum, and writing to us.
I would like to know if your company is working on a Sodium Battery cell for distribution?
What do you think of the sodium battery? I'm not so familiar with this and hope to learn more too.
 
Very interesting - thank you for the contact information Kate.

With LFP cells, I am mostly interested in the Prismatic cells, for building my own "48 volt" (nominal 51.2 volts) battery packs for use with stationary solar energy storage. For my applications I do not need cells that meet the automotive industry requirements, I am happy to have cells that will provide suitable energy density for my solar energy and I like being able to get these lower classification cells for lower cost per cell,
BUT!
Myself, and many of the the forum members here, become concerned about 'what are we getting'. That is to say, I am happy to get "grade B" cells for my solar energy storage for a lower price, but I worry about getting "Grade C or D" but paying Grade B prices.
We have seen EVE are now marking cells with a B on them to indicate the storage grade cells - does your company have plans to also mark the storage grade cells with a marking so consumers know what we are getting for our money?
 
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