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1st Time Living Off Grid. In the Mountains. During winter. Almost died LOL

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Sharing a video I just dropped today; this was the first week of adventure living in my shortie school bus, in the rocky mountains during winter. The diesel heater tried to kill us, my batteries failed, and my solar system quit charging during 5 days of snow without any sunlight. Good times, but learned a lot from this experience and things are a lot easier now.

 
Sounds like a better way of monitoring your batteries is in order.

What about charging from alternator? Do you have any way of doing that currently?
 
Did you figure out how exhaust from the diesel heater was getting into your living area?
Surprised you don't have a backup generator. Be prepared is the old boy scout motto.
 
Did you figure out how exhaust from the diesel heater was getting into your living area?
Surprised you don't have a backup generator. Be prepared is the old boy scout motto.

He said that because he was running it at a lower setting, soot accumulated in the exhaust and began to push exhaust into the cabin.
 
He said that because he was running it at a lower setting, soot accumulated in the exhaust and began to push exhaust into the cabin.
For that to happen there would have to be a leak in the exhaust pipe or gasket. Running a diesel heater at 8000' on the stock sea level settings will indeed clog them up but under no circumstances should exhaust gasses be able to enter the cabin unless there was an installation error.
 
It would have to be at the joint between the heater itself and where the exhaust pipe slides onto it. Considering the two things getting clamped together and the type of clamp likely in use, theres no way to make that 100% airtight without something like ‘muffler paste’ in between.
 
Li was a really poor choice for the battery application here. The power would not have gone off if he was using lead-acid.

It looks like at least two of his panels could have been positioned vertically on the South wall of the shed. This would have been more optimal for winter sun, and less of a chore to keep completely free of snow. Maybe an additional series string of three, with two panels mounted in portrait, and one mounted in landscape. Maybe three panels in portrait if he does not mind shading one window a bit. Alternatively, there's LOTS of room for a ground mount.
 
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Bro... Was this last year? I thought we pounded it into you that the voltage-based SoC is beyond worthless.
Yup, this was the first time we were out there.... didnt' go very well. This forum, and YOUR HELP SPECIFICALLY, saved my ass. I owe you a beer. Since switching to victron everything has been flawless. F renogy.
 
I'm curious, where (approximately) in SW Colorado are you? My cabin is also in SW CO.
Durango, ish.
Did you figure out how exhaust from the diesel heater was getting into your living area?
Surprised you don't have a backup generator. Be prepared is the old boy scout motto.
Yes... honestly it's a glaring design flaw in all these diesel heaters. IF the exhaust clogs up.... it's still burning stuff, and it has heat, so hte heat builds up and causes the gaskets to fail INTERNALLY in the unit. Then the exhaust can start coming out the heat output port. Kind of blows my mind that these are produced the way they are, the failure mode can literally kill people. I see stories of people dying occasionally because of these, and now I always wonder if it was an improper installation, or if it was so cold that the exhaust clogged and the interior filled with CO. I actually do have a generator, brand new, but it's still in the box. Was trying really hard to not use it.
For that to happen there would have to be a leak in the exhaust pipe or gasket. Running a diesel heater at 8000' on the stock sea level settings will indeed clog them up but under no circumstances should exhaust gasses be able to enter the cabin unless there was an installation error.
Incorrect. If the exhaust is clogged... it can bypass the gasket in the heater itself, and start leaking into the heat output area. In my video you can witness this, as I hold the CO monitor up to the heat vent. It wasn't leaking from the exhaust joint, it was coming right out of the unit.

Since switching to victron, this system has been awesome.
 
Theres a first for everything I guess however, Im trying to grasp the amount of soot required to accumulate to completely block a one inch outlet.
 
Yeah, blows my mind that the Kidde CO alarm didn't go off at all either. WTF.

It wasn't 100% blocked, but... 50%? If it was 100% blocked I think the heater would shut off. When it's crazy restricted I think the heat builds up, and there is pressure in there from the combustion, so maybe that's how it blew out the gasket? Either way, wild. Stay safe.
 
Yeah, blows my mind that the Kidde CO alarm didn't go off at all either. WTF.

It wasn't 100% blocked, but... 50%? If it was 100% blocked I think the heater would shut off. When it's crazy restricted I think the heat builds up, and there is pressure in there from the combustion, so maybe that's how it blew out the gasket? Either way, wild. Stay safe.

When cooking on the propane stove in one unit with the RV sealed up, the CO detector starts squawking at 30.
 
Yeah, blows my mind that the Kidde CO alarm didn't go off at all either. WTF.

It wasn't 100% blocked, but... 50%? If it was 100% blocked I think the heater would shut off. When it's crazy restricted I think the heat builds up, and there is pressure in there from the combustion, so maybe that's how it blew out the gasket? Either way, wild. Stay safe.
Yes my thoughts exactly the unit would shutdown. I shouldve considered a partial blockage. Makes more sense. Yet I would think there would be a blockage in the mesh diffuser screen and not further down into the exhaust. UNLESS you are over-priming and the fuel is accumulating that way in the exhaust. Do not prime. Prime only if required (failed lightoff).

I tested my unit with a CO detector when I received it placing it directly in the path of the exhaust for over a minute several times to see if I was doing something incorrectly. It never triggered. Diesel combustion produces less CO than regular gas fuel. So it is my guess you would require a much more confined space and a longer duration to suffer any effects of a “leak”. Which is a different animal to sleeping with an operating Buddy heater, or feeding exhaust directly into your confined sleeping space.

I forgot to crack open my roof fan (enclosing the space) with the diesel heater running on high one evening. Luckily I did not wake up dead.
 
Yes... honestly it's a glaring design flaw in all these diesel heaters. IF the exhaust clogs up.... it's still burning stuff, and it has heat, so hte heat builds up and causes the gaskets to fail INTERNALLY in the unit. Then the exhaust can start coming out the heat output port. Kind of blows my mind that these are produced the way they are, the failure mode can literally kill people. I see stories of people dying occasionally because of these, and now I always wonder if it was an improper installation, or if it was so cold that the exhaust clogged and the interior filled with CO. I actually do have a generator, brand new, but it's still in the box. Was trying really hard to not use it.

The gas furnace in my basement is mounted horizontally. It has a forced fan for exhaust and a pressure sensor with about 4" diameter foil membrane, which detects slight vacuum. Then furnace is allowed to light. There is a glowing bar ignitor and a (rectification?) flame sensor checks that it is burning, if not shuts off, waits, retries. There are several over-temperature sensors which would open if flame backed up or cooling air (air handler) was blocked.

All that ensures there isn't combustion without ventillation. Now if exhaust pipe was damaged, it wouldn't know about that. Due to some sheetrock repair in the vicinity of flue that I didn't get to observe/inspect, I bought a CO alarm. Only time it ever went off was when I left oven on overnight. We have since learned that although these alarms have display with 1 ppm resolution, they are programmed for "don't ask, don't tell" below about 30 ppm. HVAC techs buy an expensive wearable alarm that is programmed to tell them what they're exposed to.

Cheap passive burners have no safety features. Designed for where life is cheap.


I tested my unit with a CO detector when I received it placing it directly in the path of the exhaust for over a minute several times to see if I was doing something incorrectly. It never triggered. Diesel combustion produces less CO than regular gas fuel. So it is my guess you would require a much more confined space and a longer duration to suffer any effects of a “leak”. Which is a different animal to sleeping with an operating Buddy heater, or feeding exhaust directly into your confined sleeping space.

Sufficient O2 and well adjusted flame, low CO production.
Operated in a closed space so O2 levels drop, then it will make CO. Or a badly operating unit.
Old cars ran with excess fuel to avoid detonation, and that makes CO. Closed-loop fuel injection, runs 0 to 1 ppm.

Safety gear and alarms do nothing when everything works correctly, could save a life when there is a problem.
 
Safety gear and alarms do nothing when everything works correctly, could save a life when there is a problem.
I found a few +$100 models but after reading up on them couldnt ascertain if they would work for my case in a van.

What type or model CO detector would you recommend?
 
Read this whole thread. Supervstech works in HVAC, is knowledgeable about it.

 
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