MichaelK
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Just how much experience do you have cutting holes in walls? BTW, I've done three, and that's 8" concrete walls.
AC vs DC fridges for off-grid use
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BoNeil
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12 years of developing my off grid cabin is enough to know what works for me.
Full stop!!!!
Good luck using your system ??
Full stop!!!!
Good luck using your system ??
KITROBASKIN
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No soot from our refrigerator. No problems with spoilage.
We use propane to heat water and cook food. In order to get a house loan, we had to have installed a space heater using propane but we have not used it except for testing.
Pilot lights on all of them.
We use propane to heat water and cook food. In order to get a house loan, we had to have installed a space heater using propane but we have not used it except for testing.
Pilot lights on all of them.
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We had a block of flats burn down in London the other year, caused by a faulty fridge , 72 people died
But yea I agree propane is dangerous, more than electric imo
12VoltInstalls
life passes by too quickly to not live in freedom
I didn’t read all 30 pages of the thread.
I have a 7.8? cubic foot top freezer 120VAC fridge. At $215?? ish I paid, there was plenty leftover to add panels and have an inverter as opposed to the DC fridges at ~$1400 or so.
I’d study up on that. Plus replacing a $200-$250 fridge as opposed to $1500 fridge seems way more economically appealing to me.
You’re doing something wrong. Don’t buy open flame heaters. Occasions of cooking with propane aren’t going to be toxic especially if one provides exhaust fan venting like they should.
I guess you're going to need some serious heating up there just to stay alive!
Just how bad is propane burnt without extraction? We have a propane cooker in our house, no extraction, the air in the kitchen does get stuffy when we're cooking
OzSolar
Whatever you did, that's what you planned.
Likely it's pretty bad.
I listen to a lot energy related podcasts and several have talked about IAQ (indoor air quality) in homes with gas stoves regularly being way above what is considered healthy. Below is a piece from NPR about it. I have a 100lb propane cylinder (22 gallons) dedicated to the stove and we normally get almost a year out of it. About ~.5 gallons per week getting burned. I believe a propane fridge uses 1 to 2 gallons per week.
The most common pollutants from gas stoves are nitrogen dioxide (NO2), carbon monoxide and formaldehyde. Advocates now are mostly focused on NO2, which the Environmental Protection Agency says is a toxic gas that even in low concentrations can trigger breathing problems for people with asthma or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.
We need to talk about your gas stove, your health and climate change
Americans love their gas stoves, but they pollute homes and are connected to a supply system that leaks methane. That's part of a battle as more people face a decision about switching to electric.
www.npr.org
Likely it's pretty bad.
I listen to a lot energy related podcasts and several have talked about IAQ (indoor air quality) in homes with gas stoves regularly being way above what is considered healthy. Below is a piece from NPR about it. I have a 100lb propane cylinder (22 gallons) dedicated to the stove and we normally get almost a year out of it. About ~.5 gallons per week getting burned. I believe a propane fridge uses 1 to 2 gallons per week.
The most common pollutants from gas stoves are nitrogen dioxide (NO2), carbon monoxide and formaldehyde. Advocates now are mostly focused on NO2, which the Environmental Protection Agency says is a toxic gas that even in low concentrations can trigger breathing problems for people with asthma or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.
We need to talk about your gas stove, your health and climate change
Americans love their gas stoves, but they pollute homes and are connected to a supply system that leaks methane. That's part of a battle as more people face a decision about switching to electric.
Right well I best sort some extraction out....
The big 100lb bottles (47kg here) last us about 2 months of cooking.
So we're burning about 2lb a week
OzSolar
Whatever you did, that's what you planned.
Wow, that seems out of place compared to our house hold of three.
Standing pilot light? Or big family?
Family of 5 adults and we all like our grub lol
I've got some temporary extraction sorted, going to get something more permanent when I can.
We've got health/breathing problems in the house so all the propane fumes probably haven't been helping haha !
We've got health/breathing problems in the house so all the propane fumes probably haven't been helping haha !
12VoltInstalls
life passes by too quickly to not live in freedom
Oh brother. NPR can do some quality stuff but on energy and social issues they are totally on the political bandwagon.
YES there is/are ‘pollutants’ from burning propane. Yes some people are affected. But think about it: there’s 60-80 years of people using gas stoves without statistically significant consequences.
The news lies, science doesn’t. But like with statistics one can use partial information to lie stating “the science .”
This gas cooking stove thing is not based in practical, empirical reality. Nevertheless, running the range hood / powered vent is still a good idea on water vapor reasoning alone. Water vapor is the primary product of burning propane. At the perfect 4-5% depending on elevation propane emmisions are fairly innocuous. The current ‘ban propane’ thing that has taken off and is going viral in the last six weeks is truth wrapped in lies
The ppm risk is variable depending on square footage and ventilation. If the flame is adjusted for the locale’s air there is little to no dangerous byproduct like CO.
OzSolar
Whatever you did, that's what you planned.
I dare not dive down a political discussion.
But I will offer the that there's an ever growing zero carbon movement and the oft offered solution is "decarbonizing" residences and businesses by switching them to all electric. Some of those same folks hold the IAQ studies up as evidence.
And I think heat pumps are great but no one's is touching the calamity that is awaiting entire states during the coldest few hours of the year when the heat pumps can no long pump heat and all of those resistance strips start kicking in. A typical house will go from needing ~2KW to 10kW or even 20kW. Yikes
DougfromdaUP
Solar Enthusiast
Propane has almost no contaminants in it; natural gas has many. So a story that deals with "gas stoves" and doesn't differentiate between the two products is a poor source of information.
MichaelK
Solar Wizard
Running a homestead, I'm acutely aware that I'm 20 miles up a dirt road, so when something goes wrong, I need my own backups. And I have backups for the backups. Cus nobody is going to show up to bail me out of trouble.
I think last year's Texas cold crisis is the perfect example of an "all electric" "all your eggs in one basket" is a really bad idea.
OzSolar
Whatever you did, that's what you planned.
Would you be able provide any references to support that statement?
12VoltInstalls
life passes by too quickly to not live in freedom
Don’t misunderstand- I wasn’t going for a political discussion.
Regardless of what side of the aisle one stands, in the USA and from observation worldwide there is this politically driven environmental movement that forcefully promotes ‘green’ and other parallel dichotomies without consideration for actual science or the impacts to the citizenry and world populations as a whole. Even if they’re correct in the end, giving broken science and other illogical reasons as justification for mandated behavior is dangerous and smells corrupt.
Creating a future world with a better environment is noble and we should do that, I support it (I’m here, right?) but the political motivation to draconianly eliminate propane cooking stoves (among other things) with dubious science as the reasoning is insane regardless of one’s chosen political association.
Absurdity within politics in general is ALWAYS based in corruption. And corruption doesn’t serve the populace. Anywhere.
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