That may well be true, but its undeniable that it gives the phrase " rolling blackout" a whole new meaning.
Can the electrical grid handle a boom in electric vehicles?
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Yes in Aug 2020 a limited 800,000 homes were subject to rolling blackouts for two days during peak hours only. This was caused by an unexpected natural gas generator going off line unexpectedly. Before that you need to look back 20 years to find a rolling blackout caused by the Enron disaster. Grid has been upgraded since last year and the improvements continue every day.
Watch how demand and supply vary as CA goes through the peak in the afternoon/evening right here:
http://www.caiso.com/TodaysOutlook/Pages/default.aspx
Hopefully TX can get their situation figured out. Very poorly managed blackout last winter compared to anything in CA.
Woody
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Here’s some data regarding California reported outage statistics where at least 50,000 customers affected.
poweroutage.report
Same site for Texas
poweroutage.report
And for comparison, here’s Nevada stats.
poweroutage.report
The site has other states data too if you choose to look.
• California Power Outage Statistics (2000 - 2023)
California power outage statistics. Major power outage events affecting California and at least 50,000 customers from 2000 to 2023.
poweroutage.report
Same site for Texas
• Texas Power Outage Statistics (2000 - 2023)
Texas power outage statistics. Major power outage events affecting Texas and at least 50,000 customers from 2000 to 2023.
poweroutage.report
And for comparison, here’s Nevada stats.
• Nevada Power Outage Statistics (2000 - 2023)
Nevada power outage statistics. Major power outage events affecting Nevada and at least 50,000 customers from 2000 to 2023.
poweroutage.report
The site has other states data too if you choose to look.
Yes and if you include smaller outages they exist 24/7/365.
https://www.sce.com/outage-center/check-outage-status
https://www.sce.com/outage-center/check-outage-status
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Another article stating that the world needs to get off its backside and get prepared.
oilprice.com
Yes it’s from the the Evil Empire of dark overlords but it’s stating what everyone already knows. We are not prepared and need to get oriented to meet the future filled with green powered vehicles.
The World Will Run Out Of EV Batteries By 2025 | OilPrice.com
The world is going all-in on the electric vehicle revolution, but there are a number of challenges that could stop the EV boom dead in its tracks
oilprice.com
Yes it’s from the the Evil Empire of dark overlords but it’s stating what everyone already knows. We are not prepared and need to get oriented to meet the future filled with green powered vehicles.
Woody
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On Happy EV news from those evil dark oil overlords, Russia is joining the EV world.
oilprice.com
$6100 Zetta… wow that’s interesting! I wonder what the specs will look like for this price point EV.
Russia Is Finally Embracing The Electric Vehicle Boom | OilPrice.com
While Russia has lagged behind Europe and China in the electric vehicle race, its manufacturing know-how and low costs could give it a competitive advantage
oilprice.com
$6100 Zetta… wow that’s interesting! I wonder what the specs will look like for this price point EV.
On Happy EV news from those evil dark oil overlords, Russia is joining the EV world.
Russia Is Finally Embracing The Electric Vehicle Boom | OilPrice.com
While Russia has lagged behind Europe and China in the electric vehicle race, its manufacturing know-how and low costs could give it a competitive advantage
$6100 Zetta… wow that’s interesting! I wonder what the specs will look like for this price point EV.
Batteries not included. LOL!
Woody
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Toyota Article Says Not So Fast
wattmatters
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Well you'd expect Toyota to say that. They've placed their bets on different technology.
Nissan dropped the price of the Leaf line this week. Maybe they're trying to shake things up. Unfortunately, that move made my 2019 Leaf worth less.
Yes Toyoda has been pushing a political agenda with false information to slow the adoption of BEVs for their own benefit and profit.Toyota Article Says Not So Fast
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Are you sure your Leaf being worth less didn't cause Nissan to drop the price?
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svetz
Works in theory! Practice? That's something else
There's a new bill (H.R.4920) in the house to:
The Federal bill doesn't have text yet, but the early draft does. Interestingly the committee is pretty big, including the DoT, the DoE, the EPA, the GSA (government accounting), and a slew of non-federals:
- EV company or relevant EV Parts supplier (?)
- EV Charging Equipment
- Public Utilities
- Public Utility Regulators
- Transportation Fueling distribution industry
- Energy Providers (presumably will include wind/solar)
- Car Dealerships
- Passenger Transport Industry
- Local & Regional transportation planning
- State departments of transportation
- State DoEs
- An expert in intelligent transportation systems
- Organized labor
- The trucking industry
- Tribal governments
- The property development industry
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To the original question, in my opinion: Of course not. In California, for example, the grid is already faltering, after years of political pressure to supply demands for "green" from a vocal and organized minority of the population which mostly prides itself on having no awareness of what it takes to maintain complex technical systems, and whose mix of motives are unclear, but might best be assumed to add up to some variant of "burn it all down".
Possibly, if Elon Musk can hold his companies together long enough, we will wind up with private power generation, supplying private energy distribution, in some form.
Possibly, if Elon Musk can hold his companies together long enough, we will wind up with private power generation, supplying private energy distribution, in some form.
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"adoption by low-income"
Until electric cars can be bought for "$99 down, $99/month", the most viable option is for low-income users to continue driving ICE while people with money invest in EV to reduce fuel/maintenance expenses.
Alternative could be for government to provide vouchers, which dealers could accept as 90% payment of EVs?
Or hail an Uber EV.
I think Volt came close, with $199/month cost, but higher down payment and "On Approved Credit". Refer back to "vouchers", which is basically how such a deal from "Government Motors" was available.
Until electric cars can be bought for "$99 down, $99/month", the most viable option is for low-income users to continue driving ICE while people with money invest in EV to reduce fuel/maintenance expenses.
Alternative could be for government to provide vouchers, which dealers could accept as 90% payment of EVs?
Or hail an Uber EV.
I think Volt came close, with $199/month cost, but higher down payment and "On Approved Credit". Refer back to "vouchers", which is basically how such a deal from "Government Motors" was available.
"adoption by low-income"
Until electric cars can be bought for "$99 down, $99/month", the most viable option is for low-income users to continue driving ICE while people with money invest in EV to reduce fuel/maintenance expenses.
Alternative could be for government to provide vouchers, which dealers could accept as 90% payment of EVs?
Or hail an Uber EV.
I think Volt came close, with $199/month cost, but higher down payment and "On Approved Credit". Refer back to "vouchers", which is basically how such a deal from "Government Motors" was available.
This I agree with. EV is not for the faint of income. Sure, it costs lest to operate, but the upfront cost is higher than a cheap ICE vehicle.
Let's say the government puts up free charging stations. They won't be everywhere, the lines will be long and there will be those yahoos that connect and stay there all day. I have free charging at work (When I used to actually drive to work.
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Maybe, but then you're actually paying even more for the car than what the sticker price is. That and most people that own any kind of car tend to fall for the marketing and buy a "new" car every three to four years anyway.
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