Dr Strangetroll : or how I learned to stop arguing and be amused by the intransigence

[MurphyGuy]

Lol

Hey man, its no laughing matter.. That stuff kills thousands of people every year... Think of the children dude!

 

[BMcL]

BULL$HIT.
Damn are some people just dumb as a farm animal....

You've challenged my IQ a couple of times and lost both.
Ditto for cdkipp.
I'm up for humiliating you again anytime ?

 

[Johnson]

Don't virtue signal to me. The whole group of you here talk down to anyone who disagrees with continual never-ending booster shots.

Nonsense, not every antivaccer is a lying dick.

You don't want a solution to Covid for whatever reason. I'm not a psycho-analyst.

Again, every one wants a solution to covid, you have been told many times, it is almost like you are to stupid to comprehend that

I gave up on all of you way before Bob did.

No you didn't, you keep on lying.

But I like to post proof as it comes up in the news.

There is a difference between what you call news and what is news.

And I simply don't have time to hate people

I don't hate people either, not because I don't have the time,

I don't even know

I agree that you don't.

 

[Johnson]

You've challenged my IQ a couple of times and lost both.
Ditto for cdkipp.

You have changed my mind. I have stated that I seriously doubt that any one here has an low I.Q. but you did prove me wrong there.

 

[BMcL]

Nonsense, not every antivaccer is a lying dick.

Again, every one wants a solution to covid, you have been told many times, it is almost like you are to stupid to comprehend that


No you didn't, you keep on lying.


There is a difference between what you call news and what is news.



I don't hate people either, not because I don't have the time,

I agree that you don't.

Well said. From a Canadian socialist/communist perspective.

If a socialist thinks I'm lying, I'm doing something right !

 

[Johnson]

Well said. From a Canadian socialist/communist perspective.

And you prove your low I.Q. again, how many times do you need to be told that communism, like capitalism is an economic model? It has nothing to do with intelligence...

If a socialist thinks I'm lying, I'm doing something right !

It doesn't matter which economic system you prescribe to, if the person you are debating thinks you are lying and can prove that you did lie on multiple occasions during the debate (as I did), you are doing something wrong.

How stupid do you have to be to think that you are doing something right? Your lying even proves that you are not a follower of the teachings of Christ.

 

[BMcL]

Ivermectin Prophylaxis Used for COVID-19: A Citywide, Prospective, Observational Study of 223,128 Subjects Using Propensity Score Matching​

The program consisted of inviting the entire population of Itajaí to a medical visit to enroll in the program and to compile baseline, personal, demographic, and medical information. In the absence of contraindications, ivermectin was offered as an optional treatment to be taken for two consecutive days every 15 days at a dose of 0.2 mg/kg/day. In cases where a participating citizen of Itajaí became ill with COVID-19, they were recommended not to use ivermectin or any other medication in early outpatient treatment.

Introduction​

Ivermectin has been demonstrated to have not only extensive anti-parasitic actions [1,2], but also anti-viral, anti-bacterial, and anti-protozoan properties. Ivermectin has been long proposed for use as a repurposed antiviral agent [3-6]. Indeed, antiviral effects of ivermectin have been reported against both RNA and DNA types of viruses, including HIV-1, yellow fever, Japanese encephalitis, tick-borne encephalitis, West Nile, Zika, dengue fever, chikungunya, Venezuelan equine encephalitis, and the pseudorabies virus [3,5,7,8], as well as functioning in regulation of proteins involved in antiviral responses [8].

Additional actions of ivermectin described include agonism activity to the liver X receptor (LXR) and farnesoid X receptor (FXR), with multiple potential metabolic benefits [9,10]; neuronal regeneration [11,12], prevention of muscle hypoxia [13], and actions on specific sites, including interferon (INF) [14], nuclear factor-κB (NF-κB), lipopolysaccharide (LPS) [15], and Janus kinase/signal transducer and activator of transcription (JAK-STAT) and PAI-1 pathway [16,17]; generation of P21 activated kinase 1 (PAK-1) [18,19]; reduction of interleukin-6 (IL-6) levels [15]; allosteric modulation of P2X4 receptor [20]; inhibition of high mobility group box 1 (HMGB1) [21,22]; and suppression of mucus hypersecretion, diminished recruitment of immune cells, and production of cytokines in the lung [23]. Ivermectin is also described to induce T helper 1 cell (Th1)-type immune response against protozoan infections [24], and anti-coagulant action through binding to the S protein of some viruses

Of the 6,068 subjects (3,034 in each group), there were 44 hospitalizations among ivermectin users (1.6% hospitalization rate) and 99 hospitalizations (3.3% hospitalization rate) among ivermectin non-users, a 56% reduction in hospitalization rate.

There were 25 deaths among ivermectin users (0.8% mortality rate) and 79 deaths among non-ivermectin users (2.6% mortality rate), a 68% reduction in mortality rate (RR, 0.32; 95% CI, 0.20-0.49). When PSM was adjusted, reduction in mortality rate was 70%

An important conservative bias was present. Major risk factors for severe COVID-19 and mortality due to COVID-19, including aging, diabetes, and hypertension, were more present among ivermectin users, which may have underestimated the benefits of ivermectin as it was demonstrated to be particularly effective in subjects above 49 years old in terms of reduction of absolute risk, which corresponds to the group at the highest risk for COVID-19. This allows the understanding that prophylactic use of ivermectin can be particularly impactful in older subjects. In addition, ivermectin seemed to reduce the exceeding risk of hypertension, T2D, and other diseases.

Due to the well-established, long-term safety profile of ivermectin, with rare adverse effects, the absence of proven therapeutic options to prevent death caused by COVID-19, and lack of effectiveness of vaccines in real-life all-cause mortality analyses to date, we recommend that ivermectin be considered as a preventive strategy, in particular for those at a higher risk of complications from COVID-19 or at higher risk of contracting the illness, not as a substitute for COVID-19 vaccines, but as an additional tool, particularly during periods of high transmission rates.

Conclusions​

In a citywide ivermectin program with prophylactic, optional ivermectin use for COVID-19, ivermectin was associated with significantly reduced COVID-19 infection, hospitalization, and death rates from COVID-19.

Acknowledgments​

We acknowledge Dr. Volnei José Morastoni, the city mayor of Itajaí, state of Santa Catarina, Brazil, for developing and enabling the citywide program of ivermectin for COVID-19 prophylaxis.

Ivermectin Prophylaxis Used for COVID-19: A Citywide, Prospective, Observational Study of 223,128 Subjects Using Propensity Score Matching

Background: Ivermectin has demonstrated different mechanisms of action that potentially protect from both coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) infection and COVID-19-related comorbidities. Based on the studies suggesting efficacy in prophylaxis combined ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Cdkipp]

Ivermectin Prophylaxis Used for COVID-19: A Citywide, Prospective, Observational Study of 223,128 Subjects Using Propensity Score Matching​

The program consisted of inviting the entire population of Itajaí to a medical visit to enroll in the program and to compile baseline, personal, demographic, and medical information. In the absence of contraindications, ivermectin was offered as an optional treatment to be taken for two consecutive days every 15 days at a dose of 0.2 mg/kg/day. In cases where a participating citizen of Itajaí became ill with COVID-19, they were recommended not to use ivermectin or any other medication in early outpatient treatment.

Introduction​

Ivermectin has been demonstrated to have not only extensive anti-parasitic actions [1,2], but also anti-viral, anti-bacterial, and anti-protozoan properties. Ivermectin has been long proposed for use as a repurposed antiviral agent [3-6]. Indeed, antiviral effects of ivermectin have been reported against both RNA and DNA types of viruses, including HIV-1, yellow fever, Japanese encephalitis, tick-borne encephalitis, West Nile, Zika, dengue fever, chikungunya, Venezuelan equine encephalitis, and the pseudorabies virus [3,5,7,8], as well as functioning in regulation of proteins involved in antiviral responses [8].

Additional actions of ivermectin described include agonism activity to the liver X receptor (LXR) and farnesoid X receptor (FXR), with multiple potential metabolic benefits [9,10]; neuronal regeneration [11,12], prevention of muscle hypoxia [13], and actions on specific sites, including interferon (INF) [14], nuclear factor-κB (NF-κB), lipopolysaccharide (LPS) [15], and Janus kinase/signal transducer and activator of transcription (JAK-STAT) and PAI-1 pathway [16,17]; generation of P21 activated kinase 1 (PAK-1) [18,19]; reduction of interleukin-6 (IL-6) levels [15]; allosteric modulation of P2X4 receptor [20]; inhibition of high mobility group box 1 (HMGB1) [21,22]; and suppression of mucus hypersecretion, diminished recruitment of immune cells, and production of cytokines in the lung [23]. Ivermectin is also described to induce T helper 1 cell (Th1)-type immune response against protozoan infections [24], and anti-coagulant action through binding to the S protein of some viruses

Of the 6,068 subjects (3,034 in each group), there were 44 hospitalizations among ivermectin users (1.6% hospitalization rate) and 99 hospitalizations (3.3% hospitalization rate) among ivermectin non-users, a 56% reduction in hospitalization rate.

There were 25 deaths among ivermectin users (0.8% mortality rate) and 79 deaths among non-ivermectin users (2.6% mortality rate), a 68% reduction in mortality rate (RR, 0.32; 95% CI, 0.20-0.49). When PSM was adjusted, reduction in mortality rate was 70%

An important conservative bias was present. Major risk factors for severe COVID-19 and mortality due to COVID-19, including aging, diabetes, and hypertension, were more present among ivermectin users, which may have underestimated the benefits of ivermectin as it was demonstrated to be particularly effective in subjects above 49 years old in terms of reduction of absolute risk, which corresponds to the group at the highest risk for COVID-19. This allows the understanding that prophylactic use of ivermectin can be particularly impactful in older subjects. In addition, ivermectin seemed to reduce the exceeding risk of hypertension, T2D, and other diseases.

Due to the well-established, long-term safety profile of ivermectin, with rare adverse effects, the absence of proven therapeutic options to prevent death caused by COVID-19, and lack of effectiveness of vaccines in real-life all-cause mortality analyses to date, we recommend that ivermectin be considered as a preventive strategy, in particular for those at a higher risk of complications from COVID-19 or at higher risk of contracting the illness, not as a substitute for COVID-19 vaccines, but as an additional tool, particularly during periods of high transmission rates.

Conclusions​

In a citywide ivermectin program with prophylactic, optional ivermectin use for COVID-19, ivermectin was associated with significantly reduced COVID-19 infection, hospitalization, and death rates from COVID-19.

Acknowledgments​

We acknowledge Dr. Volnei José Morastoni, the city mayor of Itajaí, state of Santa Catarina, Brazil, for developing and enabling the citywide program of ivermectin for COVID-19 prophylaxis.

You know what they would need to confirm these observations? A double-blind randomized controlled clinical trial.
I guess we should have mentioned that earlier.

Is it double blind----NO
Is it randomized------No patients self selected.
Is it a controlled trial-----No. it is an observational study without controls.

None of this advances the ivermectin cause.

 

[Cdkipp]

You know what they would need to confirm these observations? A double-blind randomized controlled clinical trial.
I guess we should have mentioned that earlier.

Is it double blind----NO
Is it randomized------No patients self selected.
Is it a controlled trial-----No. it is an observational study without controls.

None of this advances the ivermectin cause.

Depression Might Predispose You to Believe COVID Vaccine Lies - Drugs.com MedNews

Misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines abounds, and people with depression are more likely than others to fall for it, a new study finds. One of the notable thi

www.drugs.com

 

[BMcL]

 

[BMcL]

Amazing how it takes 18+ months for bureaucrats to figure out what most parents already knew.
Parents are about to go to war with the Biden administration as Fauci is pushing for all children
to get vaccinated + booster shots https://www.cnet.com/health/parenting/when-can-children-under-5-get-vaccinated-for-covid-19/

Sweden Won't Recommend Vaccinating Children Under 12 Due To Lack Of 'Clear Benefit'​

Last week, the World Health Organization's chief scientist admitted that there's no evidence that healthy children need booster doses of the Covid-19 vaccine.

In a Thursday press release, Sweden's Public Health Agency said that the medical benefit of the vaccine for those aged 5-11 years-old is "currently small," and that while the benefits are "constantly" under assessment, they will have decided against a general recommendation for children under the age of 12 for spring 2022, according to Reuters.

"With the knowledge we have today, with a low risk for serious disease for kids, we don't see any clear benefit with vaccinating them," said Health Agency official Britta Bjorkholm during a news conference.

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

 

[Shale MacGregor]

were more present among ivermectin users


I was excited to see study results until I read this telling line.... It reads like BS and unscientific.... If there were more present why didn't they list numbers?

 

[BMcL]

were more present among ivermectin users


I was excited to see study results until I read this telling line.... It reads like BS and unscientific.... If there were more present why didn't they list numbers?

You are mis-reading it. It said the group taking ivermectin had more health problems, which means the results are even more impressive.

 

[Shale MacGregor]

You are mis-reading it. It said the group taking ivermectin had more health problems, which means the results are even more impressive.

I'm not misreading it, I'm saying the fact they didn't elucidate the exact impressiveness was unscientific

 

[Bob B]

I just wanted to pop back in here for a minute to clarify a post I made earlier concerning comparisons of adverse events.
If you notice in the chart below it shows the data comes from Vigiaccess.org .... That is WHO's searchable database for adverse event reports .... it is NOT fake news .... it is a little bit of old news, however, because the adverse event reports in that database for covid-19 vaccine is now well over 3 million as shown with a search I just did.



In case you aren't aware of what I am talking about, the chart I originally posted is below.


You can search the database yourself if you don't believe the relative data in the chart above.

I'm sure the usual suspects will try to find a way to either badmouth me .... or something else .... and I will be ignoring them.

 

[Shale MacGregor]

I just wanted to pop back in here for a minute to clarify a post I made earlier concerning comparisons of adverse events.
If you notice in the chart below it shows the data comes from Vigiaccess.org .... That is WHO's searchable database for adverse event reports .... it is NOT fake news .... it is a little bit of old news, however, because the adverse event reports in that database for covid-19 vaccine is now well over 3 million as shown with a search I just did.

View attachment 81694

In case you aren't aware of what I am talking about, the chart I originally posted is below.
View attachment 81695

You can search the database yourself if you don't believe the relative data in the chart above.

I'm sure the usual suspects will try to find a way to either badmouth me .... or something else .... and I will be ignoring them.

So your argument is that people died of natural causes and that means something??????

 

[Bob B]

So your argument is that people died of natural causes and that means something??????

These were adverse event reports .... Nothing to do with natural causes. I didn't expect you to misrepresent what that data means in the same way as the others who do drive by pot shots .... Maybe I had you wrong?

My argument was comparing Ivermectin safety to Covid-19 vaccine safety .... This worldwide database AND our VAERS database both show a high number of adverse events following vaccination.

The chart below is from the VAERS database that we KNOW is massively under reported.

 

[Bob B]

@Shale MacGregor ..... Just for you .... below is the total number of Fluvoxamine adverse events reported since 1983 ..... That's the total reports for 39 years.

 

[Cdkipp]

Depression Might Predispose You to Believe COVID Vaccine Lies - Drugs.com MedNews

Misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines abounds, and people with depression are more likely than others to fall for it, a new study finds. One of the notable thi

www.drugs.com

These were adverse event reports .... Nothing to do with natural causes. I didn't expect you to misrepresent what that data means in the same way as the others who do drive by pot shots .... Maybe I had you wrong?

My argument was comparing Ivermectin safety to Covid-19 vaccine safety .... This worldwide database AND our VAERS database both show a high number of adverse events following vaccination.

The chart below is from the VAERS database that we KNOW is massively under reported.

View attachment 81696

There is nothing corresponding to these reporting systems for drugs so it is very hard to compare to ivermectin. Again, you misrepresent what this data represents. Watch this Bob. These are two middle-of-the-roaders talking vaccines, safety. and children. Paul Offit is actually a world-renowned vaccinologist and has been a dissenting voice in some of the vaccine approvals. I do not like Zdogg but I think you will find some affirmation of your concerns in this video combined with hard science about these issues. Paul Offit actually sits on the FDA advisory committee and has been the lone dissenting vote in some instances. You tell me you have a BS detector. Is Offit honest?

 

[Cdkipp]

@Shale MacGregor ..... Just for you .... below is the total number of Fluvoxamine adverse events reported since 1983 ..... That's the total reports for 39 years.

View attachment 81697

This shows one of the many flaws in relying on a database like this.

All of the SSRI's have side effects and some can be very significant. Fluvoxamine however has quite a colorful past and was actually pulled from the market for a while by the FDA. The drug was used by one of the Columbine shooters. The drug now carries a black box warning " a black box warning for suicidal ideation in children, adolescents, and young adults. There is also a risk for QTc prolongation and rare but potentially deadly serotonin syndrome". The drug also can trigger manic episodes in susceptible people

I know that from reading that another issue they are concerned about here is that they are not sure what dosing is necessary and safety at those doses. These are complicated neurological drugs and even if you are giving them for covid you still are going to have a neurological impact. They are doing clinical trials on this drug so it remains a possibility but it OBVIOUSLY is not a lay up.

Again, it ois just so extremelu bizarre to me that people who are deathly afraid of a vaccine would beat the doors down to get at a drug like this.

 

[Bob B]

How the Left Became Illiberal | CLIP | American Thought Leaders

In this episode, we sit down with Liel Leibovitz, a senior writer for Tablet Magazine and host of the Unorthodox podcast. We discuss how he became “politically homeless,” the new illiberal reality we

rumble.com

 

[Batvette]

Pollyanna? Sorry, I was making a statement on what I knew. If you have additional specific information of what they did I am more than open to listen. You stated 419 million, if 350 million went towards helping counties without enough budget, why not state they did something wrong with 69 million instead? Again, I don't have any love for Zuck, just falling for NPR articles I guess.

Counties that didnt have enough money for WHAT? Since when are public elections funded by private parties with clear partisan interests.
As for what was done I provided several links already that you obviously ignored, I dont pretend that wasting time shoving evidence before you might change your mind about anything.
Youre for the party that stole the election. Why would you ever admit they did?

 

[Shale MacGregor]

@Shale MacGregor ..... Just for you .... below is the total number of Fluvoxamine adverse events reported since 1983 ..... That's the total reports for 39 years.

View attachment 81697

Sorry Bob, I made a quick response and didn't clarify what I meant.... Vaers doesn't make a judgement on whether the adverse event is a natural cause or any causal claim. This means vaers without follow up and investigation is just that a report

 

[Shale MacGregor]

These were adverse event reports .... Nothing to do with natural causes. I didn't expect you to misrepresent what that data means in the same way as the others who do drive by pot shots .... Maybe I had you wrong?

No I just didn't elaborate like I should have

My argument was comparing Ivermectin safety to Covid-19 vaccine safety .... This worldwide database AND our VAERS database both show a high number of adverse events following vaccination.

Need to know how many doses of each drug to get a percentage, we know hundreds of millions of people were vaccinated, many with pre existing conditions, so you can't assume the vaers is necessarily indicative of actual vaccine damage. Some people surely got pregnant after the vaccination, when they had been trying and failing for a year, but that doesn't mean the vaccine enhances fertility.

The chart below is from the VAERS database that we KNOW is massively under reported.

View attachment 81696

I agree it is massively underreported. Weird that emergency room visit is so low

 

[Cdkipp]

I agree it is massively underreported. Weird that emergency room visit is so low

I think most vaccine deaths are instantaneously resulting in spontaneous combustion that kills all surrounding witnesses.

Bob B knows that vaers and related systems for vaccines are surveillance systems. They are expected to pick up all kinds of noise but then utilizing software compared to the background sifting for any hint of irregularity. BOB KNOWS THIS> HE HAS BEEN TOLD THIS REPEATEDLY. HE CLAIMS TO WORK WITH COMPUTERS AND SOFTWARE. The raw data is crap but he keeps posting it.

VAERS is only a snapshot. IT IS A VERY ROUGH TOOL. Yet sensitive enough to pick up both cloting and myocarditis.

BOB INTENTIONALLY REPEATS MISINFORMATION.