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VICTRON 24V Multiplus II 2x120v Purchase Availability


Fantastic! Looking forward to your video.

Another quick question about the Cerbo.

I’m reading on various Victron Forums that the lowest-cost solution to configure the Multiplus II if you have a laptop is to install a free software application and purchase the USB adapter for the Multiplus II.

Will this solution allow the Zero Export to CT functionality to be configured in the Multiplus II or is there some reason a Cerbo is mandatory?
Mandatory. There is no ESS operability built into the MK3 dongle, only programming the assistant. The Cerbo is what does the calculation and control of the ESS because it is meant for tying into the solar controllers / rest of the system.

Victron came out with a Cerbo-S GX that leaves out some of the unused functionality for a lower price. We should have some of them coming in by the end of the week.
 


Mandatory. There is no ESS operability built into the MK3 dongle, only programming the assistant. The Cerbo is what does the calculation and control of the ESS because it is meant for tying into the solar controllers / rest of the system.

Victron came out with a Cerbo-S GX that leaves out some of the unused functionality for a lower price. We should have some of them coming in by the end of the week.
You are officially my hero!

You’ve proven that the Multiplus II 120x2 supports Zero Export to CT capability on L1 through Victron’s ESS functionality and settings.

And I understand that enabling ESS functionality requires a Cerbo GX.

Since the Schneider XW Pro and the Solark both only support Zero Export to CT capability when powered by a 24V battery, I believe Victron’s offering which you have demonstrated is the only Zero Export to CT capability that can be supported by a 24V battery (and possibly even a 12V battery).

My quest may finally be coming to an end!

Thanks again for going to the trouble to make this fantastic video.
 
Does this require a MP-II 120x2 or could a standard MP-II be installed on only one leg? It really seems to me the x2 functionality is not needed at all.
This would work with a standard 120v. There was confusion if the 2x120 also would handle it, but a single one would be a more budget friendly choice if you never plan to use the second relay.

You are officially my hero!

You’ve proven that the Multiplus II 120x2 supports Zero Export to CT capability on L1 through Victron’s ESS functionality and settings.

And I understand that enabling ESS functionality requires a Cerbo GX.
Yes it does require a Cerbo GX / Venus GX, but Victron just came out with the Cerbo-S GX which is a "lite" version that omits some of the excess ports and has a better price point. I should make clear, you also need the MK3 so that you can program the inverter with the appropriate assistants from your computer.

I believe Victron’s offering which you have demonstrated is the only Zero Export to CT capability that can be supported by a 24V battery (and possibly even a 12V battery).
Yes, the demo was done with 12v batteries, but the 24v inverter functions identically.


Thanks again for going to the trouble to make this fantastic video.
It's what I'm here for ;)


While I at it, I’m also interested to know whether you know anything about Victron’s new EV charger: https://www.victronenergy.com/accessories/ev-charging-station
I'm not sure because they aren't really available in the USA yet. Good topic for another thread.
 
This would work with a standard 120v. There was confusion if the 2x120 also would handle it, but a single one would be a more budget friendly choice if you never plan to use the second relay.


Yes it does require a Cerbo GX / Venus GX, but Victron just came out with the Cerbo-S GX which is a "lite" version that omits some of the excess ports and has a better price point. I should make clear, you also need the MK3 so that you can program the inverter with the appropriate assistants from your computer.


Yes, the demo was done with 12v batteries, but the 24v inverter functions identically.



It's what I'm here for ;)



I'm not sure because they aren't really available in the USA yet. Good topic for another thread.
Another quick question for you:

So with a pair of Multiplus II 120x2s (or one 120x2 and one 120), you can have split-phase 240V power when grid-tied with Zero Export to External CT Sensor on both legs and when the grid goes down you can have one of the Multiplus II 120x2s provide 120VAC backup power to 120VAC loads on both legs of Critical Loads Subpanel (limited to a total of 3kW).

My question is whether Victron supports any synchronization capability between two Multiplus II 120x2s so that a pair of them can provide full split-phase backup power capability including the ability to power 240VAC loads off-grid with a maximum of 3kW to each leg (6kW of backup power total)?

I found this showing that 2 Multiplus 120V inverters can support 240/120VAC backup power: https://community.victronenergy.com/questions/35012/2-x-multiplus-split-phase-setup-with-ess.html


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I’m interested to know whether 2 Multiplus II 120x2s (or two Multiplus II 120s) can be synchronized to deliver full 240/120VAC backup power in the same manner…
 
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I’m interested to know whether 2 Multiplus II 120x2s (or two Multiplus II 120s) can be synchronized to deliver full 240/120VAC backup power in the same manner…
yes. This is simple.
(or one 120x2 and one 120),
No, only identical units can be stacked.
a pair of them can provide full split-phase backup power capability including the ability to power 240VAC loads
There is no advantage of using a 2x120 vs a 1x120 if your plan is to stack for 240v. L2 would never be used on either inverter. L1 would go through inverter 1, l2 would go through inverter 2
 
I'm going to chime in again. The x2 is just absolutely unnecessary for this application. Another option would be a Victron EU unit @ 240V/60Hz paired with an autotransformer. When @the_colorist still posted here, he routinely installed that configuration for North American split phase.

IMHO, the x2 only has application in RVs for facilitating 30A vs 50A shore power.
 
yes. This is simple.

No, only identical units can be stacked.
Clear. Thanks.
There is no advantage of using a 2x120 vs a 1x120 if your plan is to stack for 240v. L2 would never be used on either inverter. L1 would go through inverter 1, l2 would go through inverter 2
I asked primarily from the perspective f future-proofing. If I’m only going to start with a single Multiplus II but may want to upgrade to full split-phase sometime in the future, it sounds as though the only difference between one and later two 120x2s versus one and later two 120x1s is limited to the capability of a Critical Loads panel with only a single Multiplus II.

With a single Multiplus II 120x1, a Critical Loads Subpanel is limited to 120VAC loads which are all on a single load (100% imbalance of Critical Loads when on-grid).

With a single Multiplus II 120x2, a Critical Loads Subpanel can include 240VAC loads which will only be powered when on-grid and can also contain balanced loads on both L1 and L2 (when on-grid).

My Critical Loads Subpanel is only going to have a few 120VAC loads - fridges and lights, probably a few outlets.

Since I don’t have any 240VAC loads I need to move to my Critical Loads Subpanel, I have to agree that a single Multiplus II 120x2 offers no benefit over a single Multiplus II 120x1 for my use-case.

I can put the savings towards partial-coverage if the cost of a Cerbo :).

Is there any difference in approvals or certifications between the 120x2 and the 120x1 as far as residential install?
 
I'm going to chime in again. The x2 is just absolutely unnecessary for this application.
I see you beat me to the punch -I just came to the same conclusion.
Another option would be a Victron EU unit @ 240V/60Hz paired with an autotransformer.
For those seeking 240/120 split-phase backup capability, perhaps. But that is not my use-case. I’m only interested in single-leg consumption offset and single-leg backup power for critical loads.

But I want to understand I have a clear upgrade path should I ever decide I need either consumption offset if both legs and/or backup power for 240VAC Critical Loads.

Adding a second Multiplus II 120x1 would give me both.

If I don’t need more power, don’t need to offset loads on the other leg, but do need to support 240VAC Critical Loads, I could add an Autotransformer to form 240VAC from L1-only on the Critical Loads panel, but that’s highly unlikely to ever be something I feel the need for.
When @the_colorist still posted here, he routinely installed that configuration for North American split phase.
What ever happened to the_colorist?
IMHO, the x2 only has application in RVs for facilitating 30A vs 50A shore power.
As I come to more fully-understand the capability of the Multiplus II 120x1, I’m coming to agree with that perspective.

If all loads are connected to the AC output (as in an RV), and you want to power 240VAC loads but only on shore power, the Multiplus II 120x2 is attractive.

The same might be true for a residential install where the hybrid inverter is positioned between the grid and the main load panel (but unlikely because of the Multiplus IIs limited power output).

But for residential installs where offset of loads on the AC input side of the hybrid is a high priority and a small number of Critical Loads on the AC output will be limited to 120VAC, the 120x1 will do everything the 120x2 can (and for less).
 
I see you beat me to the punch -I just came to the same conclusion.

For those seeking 240/120 split-phase backup capability, perhaps. But that is not my use-case. I’m only interested in single-leg consumption offset and single-leg backup power for critical loads.

But I want to understand I have a clear upgrade path should I ever decide I need either consumption offset if both legs and/or backup power for 240VAC Critical Loads.

Adding a second Multiplus II 120x1 would give me both.

Agreed.

If I don’t need more power, don’t need to offset loads on the other leg, but do need to support 240VAC Critical Loads, I could add an Autotransformer to form 240VAC from L1-only on the Critical Loads panel, but that’s highly unlikely to ever be something I feel the need for.

What ever happened to the_colorist?

Wish I knew. He was an absolute firehose of knowledge. He might have been caught up in the "vendor" policy Will enacted.

The same might be true for a residential install where the hybrid inverter is positioned between the grid and the main load panel (but unlikely because of the Multiplus IIs limited power output).

But for residential installs where offset of loads on the AC input side of the hybrid is a high priority and a small number of Critical Loads on the AC output will be limited to 120VAC, the 120x1 will do everything the 120x2 can (and for less).

Nice. Love it when something transitions from "I think so" to "I know so." :)
 
Assuming this is correct, what does that mean as far as permitted residential installs based on Multiplus II?
That it isn't happening in any place that requires UL listing. Victron needs to step up their game in regards to UL 1741 listing.
 
Assuming this is correct, what does that mean as far as permitted residential installs based on Multiplus II?

It means that your AHJ must accept something besides UL listed equipment. You would need to write up the plans indicating the lack of UL listing and provide other justification for its use and get them approved.
 
Per my previous post, UL 458 - RV/Marine. Not residential.
Got it. Thanks. That’s the detail I was looking for.

Is there any technical reason why Solark could get UL 1741 and the Multiplus II 120x2 could not, or is it likely just a matter of market prioritization and cost for approval?
 
Got it. Thanks. That’s the detail I was looking for.

Is there any technical reason why Solark could get UL 1741 and the Multiplus II 120x2 could not, or is it likely just a matter of market prioritization and cost for approval?
No technical reason. You are correct, market prioritization and cost for approval.
 
Victron has plenty of business outside the U.S. They're primarily niche here for RV and marine.
Understand. That’s always been my concern with them.

I’ll have to choose between bushwhacking a Victron-based solution next year or pushing the whole upgrade off by another year or two in the hope that 24VDC UL1741-listed options materialize…

Since the heart of my upgraded system will be a V2H-capable bidirectional EV charger, it looks like the prudent thing to would be to wait until that has been selected in any case…
 
Victron has plenty of business outside the U.S. They're primarily niche here for RV and marine.
It's a pity because from what I can see, they have a unique and cost-effective offering for the US residential ESS market.

A LiFePO4 battery coupled with a pair of Multiplus II 120x1s provides 6kW of 240/120 Split-phase power at a fraction of the cost of a Solark or a Syybox...

The Schneider Conext XW Pro is probably the most competitive in terms of cost but sounds as though it is more complex to manage and also does not support a 24V option...
 
There is no advantage of using a 2x120 vs a 1x120 if your plan is to stack for 240v. L2 would never be used on either inverter. L1 would go through inverter 1, l2 would go through inverter 2
I’m still analyzing MPII 120x2 versus MPII 120x1 and would appreciate a confirmation from you on the following:

If only a single MPII 120x2 is being used, 240VAC solar power can be connected to the AC output and will function properly when the grid is up, correct? (compared to a single MPII 120x1 where 240VAC grid-tied solar cannot be connected to the AC output).

When the grid goes down, that 240VAC solar will shut down but as long as the grid is up, it will function just as it would connected to the AC input / grid, correct?

Can a pair of MPIIs (either 120x2 or 120x1) provide the proper islanding to power 240VAC AC-coupled solar power connected to the AC output (along with the necessary frequency shift on both legs to throttle AC-coupled PV power generation to match consumption)?
 
Yes in addition to what I know, the company I run (Current Connected) employs some of the highest trained Victron technicians in the country, so we have limitless knowledge at our disposal. Victron has a TON of features, but they take a lot of reading and understanding to fully utilize.


Yes, you could do this but if your loads are fed through the inverters, the inverter has built in current measurement, so the external CT's are not needed at all. You only need the external CT's if you are powering loads from grid/generator directly, rather than feeding them from the output terminals of the inverter. This model has a 50A input capability, so if AC input was present, you could add another 25A to it (3kva) for a total output of 75A per leg total with grid/generator present. If you adjust the input current limit, you would be able to output [input] + 25A, so if your input circuit was 20a, you could output 45A.


Yes, Multiplus-2 2x120 is able to do a series / split phase 120/240v installation, but it has no advantage over a single 120v model. In this split phase configuration, you wouldn't want to take advantage of the L2 terminals at all, L1 feeds into inverter 1 (and is monitored by that CT), L2 feeds into inverter 2. This gives you powerassist on both legs, and operates as mentioned in previous paragraph.


Exactly...but it would be 3kva (2.4 kW)
Could you give me some feedback on this setup. I currently have a boat with shore power and a generator. Shore power comes in as split phase with 30A on each phase. Each phase is switched individually. So, when I unplug or turn off the shore phase, one phase will drop out before the other phase. I don’t think the Multiplus will bridge the phases in this scenario, but I need to make sure it doesn’t bridge them until both phases have dropped.

I’m thinking about adding a 3000w Multiplus II between the shore power/generator transfer switches and the panel. This setup would run most of my intended loads, but I could possibly add another multiplus at a later date to run all of my potential loads. My panel isn’t loaded such that it can max out the full 30W on each Line.

Here’s a brief schematic of what I have in mind. Everything outside of the broken box is factory. I don’t have fuses added yet.
 

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