Victron comparison

[wdwtx2.0]

I searched threads and couldn't find pertinent info, but please excuse me if this is a re-hash.

Navigating the Victron world is sensory overload, so I will ask the experts.

What Victron components would it take to approximate a Sol-Ark 15K?
Thanks in advance.

 

[sunshine_eggo]

Given that the Sol-Ark has features that Victron can't meet due to the lack of UL listing, the answer is "it can't be done."

Now the question becomes, what do you mean by "approximate?" Just basic features like PV power, AC output power, etc.?

 

[wdwtx2.0]

Now the question becomes, what do you mean by "approximate?" Just basic features like PV power, AC output power, etc.?

I don't care about certifications.
Yes, the approximate features.
Components that would make it do approximately what the Sol-Ark can do.
I know it will not be completely apples to apples.

 

[sunshine_eggo]

You'd need:

MPPT, depending on your Voc needs:
3X 150/100 or
3X 250/100 or
1X RS450/200 & 1X RS450/100 or
3X RS 450/100

The above options give you about 18kW of PV

Inverter:
Quattros if you need dual AC inputs
Multiplus/Multiplus II if one AC input is fine
If using 120VAC units, you'd need 2X to form 120/240VAC split phase and you're targeting 12kW
If using 230VAC EU units (configured for 240VAC/60Hz), you can pair with an Autotransformer for 120/240VAC split phase output.

Options:
2X Quattro 48/5000 or 2X MP-II 48/5000 for 120/240VAC split phase 10kW
You could go overboard and do 2X Quattro 48/10kW for 120/240VAC split phase 20kW
A single MP-II/15kW (EU version) with an autotransformer for 120/240VAC split phase 15kW

Battery monitor:
Lynx shunt, BMV-702 or 712 with temp sensor, smartshunt with temp sensor

Cerbo GX

MK3-USB adapter for programming.

UTP and/or VE.Direct cables for Cerbo connections.

Lynx stuff if you want it.

EG4, SOK, Trophy, Pylontech (15S - avoid) and similar server rack batteries can do closed loop comms with Cerbo.

 

[Brucey]

Be careful with the pylontechs and their 15s doesn't play well with others

 

[sunshine_eggo]

Be careful with the pylontechs and their 15s doesn't play well with others

Revised accordingly...

 

[Brucey]

could use VRM for remote download/upload of settings for the ve.bus inverters. I think only thing you'd lose versus mk3 dongle is the live numbers for voltage and DC ripple?

 

[sunshine_eggo]

could use VRM for remote download/upload of settings for the ve.bus inverters. I think only thing you'd lose versus mk3 dongle is the live numbers for voltage and DC ripple?

No.

You can't put inverters in parallel via remote VEConfigure. It must be done directly. Once configured thusly, you can make changes like enabling/disabling "switch as group".

 

[Brucey]

No.

You can't put inverters in parallel via remote VEConfigure. It must be done directly. Once configured thusly, you can make changes like enabling/disabling "switch as group".

Ah yes forgot about parallel. Can that be done with the dip switches?

 

[Bluedog225]

Sounds like I’m going to have to get a cheap laptop to get split phase out of two Quattros. Is that correct? Thanks

 

[Brucey]

Sounds like I’m going to have to get a cheap laptop to get split phase out of two Quattros. Is that correct? Thanks

If you get them from current connected they can pre program the pair to your requirements so you just have to hook them up.

 

[sunshine_eggo]

Ah yes forgot about parallel. Can that be done with the dip switches?

No.

only on the older units.

 

[sunshine_eggo]

Sounds like I’m going to have to get a cheap laptop to get split phase out of two Quattros. Is that correct? Thanks

VictronConnect on Android can use a MK3-USB-C adapter to parallel them.

Or this, but you have to buy both:

If you get them from current connected they can pre program the pair to your requirements so you just have to hook them up.

 

[Brucey]

Yeah usb-c mk3 seems the way to go then can use an android smartphone and not need a PC.

 

[sunshine_eggo]

Yeah usb-c mk3 seems the way to go then can use an android smartphone and not need a PC.

Still... once you have VRM running, VEconfig on any ol' windows PC FTW...

 

[wdwtx2.0]

That looks like a lot of wall real estate.

 

[RyGuy]

And $$,$$$

 

[sunshine_eggo]

Yes and yes.

 

[Suijkerbuijk]

Victron do have ul listing.
See link

Certificates - Victron Energy

Every Victron Energy product has a certificate that guarantees quality. Here you will find all certificates from, among other things, inverters, fuses & batteries.

www.victronenergy.com

And see picture

 

[Brucey]

Victron do have ul listing.
See link

Certificates - Victron Energy

Every Victron Energy product has a certificate that guarantees quality. Here you will find all certificates from, among other things, inverters, fuses & batteries.

www.victronenergy.com

And see picture

Oh that's great news looks like the Quattro 48/10000 120V was approved on the 18th of June. Technically I think only those units produced after that date are eligible for the mark.

The UL listed multiplus 2 48/3000 was already known, and we are still waiting for the mp2 48/5000 to get the approval.

 

[Suijkerbuijk]

Oh that's great news looks like the Quattro 48/10000 120V was approved on the 18th of June. Technically I think only those units produced after that date are eligible for the mark.

The UL listed multiplus 2 48/3000 was already known, and we are still waiting for the mp2 48/5000 to get the approval.

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Some mppt series to.

So ts can beult a systeem with that .
With out have problems with a insurance.

 

[Brucey]

Some mppt series to.

So ts can beult a systeem with that .
With out have problems with a insurance.

Yes the larger SCCs are approved. But he may have to wait a few months for UL listed Quattro 48/10000s to be available to purchase (only units built after the 18th of June being eligible). In the US the UL listed and non UL listed mp2 48/3000s are sold alongside each other.

 

[cdsolar]

Still... once you have VRM running, VEconfig on any ol' windows PC FTW...

And for those that care, VEConfig works on my Linux box (Ubuntu) with "wine".

 

[cdsolar]

Yes the larger SCCs are approved. But he may have to wait a few months for UL listed Quattro 48/10000s to be available to purchase (only units built after the 18th of June being eligible). In the US the UL listed and non UL listed mp2 48/3000s are sold alongside each other.

Yes, when ordering a Multiplus 48/3000 UL, be sure to explicitly specify you want the UL. There is (or was when I ordered almost a year ago) a price difference.

I imagine this will apply for the new UL Quattro's referenced above.