Will, your current video "Quick Morning Rant: Chinese VS American Solar Products"

[Hedges]

"The Devil finds work for idle hands."

Instead of UBI, how about Universal Basic Employment? Workfare?

"If a man doesn't work, let him also not eat."

 

[Here for the boos]

@curiouscarbon While I agree we're getting close to literal terroristic threat I don't think we're there yet, unless he was actually part of the Jan 6 insurrection and just hasn't been arrested yet.

What I do think we should concentrate on is, again, the reason behind it all.

He's worried about election security, and that's a good thing to be concerned about.

The problem is he's being lied to repetitively enough to believe there's actually been a problem. Before the election trump said over and over "They're gonna steal the election. They're gonna steal the election. They're gonna steal the election. They're gonna steal the election." Then the election happened and he already set up for the loss "SEE!!! They stole the election like I told you they would! That was all he needed; the setup was complete for the insurrection we saw. Even though this was "the most secure election ever" https://apnews.com/article/top-officials-elections-most-secure-66f9361084ccbc461e3bbf42861057a5 And again 60+ lawsuits agree along with multiple recounts. All while he's raising money, and getting recurring donations https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/03/us/politics/trump-donations.html. We'd know if he had the money if he would release the tax documents he lied to us over and over again that he would release. https://www.newsweek.com/everything-donald-trump-said-releasing-tax-returns-1534655 Anyway, getting back to his donation grift, no one should be surprised since he's been doing it for years. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/t...cult-to-cancel-a-recurring-payment-2016-08-16 Again I'm getting sidetracked so let's get back to the election, and how trump knew he was going to lose even before the election. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/30/trump-republican-party-voting-reform-coronavirus Trump admits if they didn't make voting hard Republicans lose every election. Dude! You said the quiet part out loud! Don't say the quiet part out loud! https://www.newsweek.com/texas-ag-s...ocked-mail-ballots-applications-being-1597909 Seriously?! You're open that Texas would have gone blue if not for your efforts to stop legal votes from happeing?!! Again that's the quiet part!!! Every American should have the right to vote. I 100% believe that, and it should be easy for everyone to vote even if you wanted to vote for trump. We already have to have ID to get our voter registration card, there's never been any PROVEN mass voter fraud. Sure there's a story like this occassionally. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ason-texas-upholds-sentence-voter-suppression But the mass voter fraud always seems to come from the republicans https://www.cbsnews.com/news/usps-p...rged-throwing-mail-dumpster-absentee-ballots/ But hey there's affidavits of someone saying the they may have seen something suspicious, and hundreds of them! Literally a few hundred affidavits out 161 million votes. That's enough to overturn an election right?!

Wow what messy reply that was. It's morning, and I have to work though so I'll just leave it at that.

If Will is even still reading this poop show of a thread you want more educated people in America? Vote for the people that want to make education affordable for everyone, and vote for the people that want to make the immigrants who come here to be educated have an easier time staying instead of educating immigrants and sending them back to their country. Of course they're going to help their country when they go back. Make college affordable, or free like other first world countries. How much has college gone up since "The Greatest Generation" was going to school? It doesn't seem like you, and many people on this thread actually wants to solve the problems, just complain. You want people to get into more STEM programs and yet we still can't just teach evolution? https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/states-that-dont-teach-evolution

Why are the MAJORITY of least educated states red states? https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education

Why are the MAJORITY of states most dependent on federal aid red? https://www.moneygeek.com/living/states-most-reliant-federal-government/

Yeah that's a mess of thoughts above. @12VoltInstalls I'll get back to you later. I have to get some work done, but I'll address the Sowell stuff later.

 

[jvbutter01]

"The Devil finds work for idle hands."

Instead of UBI, how about Universal Basic Employment? Workfare?

"If a man doesn't work, let him also not eat."

what amazes me, is with all the welfare / assistance handing out. why does the same government not require those to help out the city/gov. Bring back some work groups to pay for your free/subsidized assistance. Example how much trash is around your city, how many city / country parts need lawn maintenance, how many city buildings need some clean up. Humbling work, but if the Gov gives, so should you.

 

[Cdkipp]

https://www.amazon.com/Inherent-Good-Trae-Crowder/dp/B08S6S76Q6 https://www.inherentgood.com/

 

[Jennifer]

Locking the thread temporarily as too many people are letting their politics slip into their dialog. That just incites others and it starts an escalation.
The thread topic is about the video and we ask that you refrain from talking about Trump, or Biden, or democrats, or Republicans. Will doesn't single them out and when you do it just makes the moderators look like they don't appreciate free speech.

DANG IT, you beat me to it... LOL... none of the mods like or accept censorship and 9 plus pages on a political or related forum may be nothing but let's try to get back to our roots booooys n goyles.... solar, alternative energy and group hugs....

Thank you Svetz
Jen

 

[Will Prowse]

I don't have time to read all of the posts here. The whole point of the video is to stop discussing and start working. To make yourself hard to kill. Right now I'm finishing a book about DC circuits, and I started boxing last week. Maybe it's time for you guys to get off the computer and start training or studying. Or build a better solar power system. There is work that needs to be done.

Even though I own the forum, it is your guy's forum. Direct the discussion in a way that is productive for everyone.

 

[12VoltInstalls]

I used to be dead-set against UBI, but now I'm not so sure. The technophile argument in the video a few posts up seems to be an undeniable upcoming reality. Even if the answer isn't UBI, seems like we need something and I'm not sure the existing safety net programs can handle it.

The hanging cloud issue, or actually two issues: re: a safety net; “we” probably “have the money” to do it. The current ~1/3 of the federal budget in dollars has exorbitant unbelievable administrative costs and waste- but that money in whole might be enough.
The second issue hanging over is deficit spending: nothing we’re doing (in the USA) via the federal government is sustainable. Which sorta shoots the thing about enough money right in the feet.
(I’m ignoring a myriad of other thoughts I have for practical reasons. This thread is about milk-and-honey aficionados that blame others and do not contribute to society- or themselves- and yet are professionals at whining about circumstances)

From the video there was a reduction in crime and drugs in the 26 year study..

I heard that, too. Without the references the mention is not a tenable argument. And without the context the argument is not tenable, either.
It’s like the reasons/causations for or of housing trends. The actual statistics of the ebbs snd flows (which the media uses to promote an ideal or dichotomy, etc.) can seem ominous at times. Hilariously, though, housing numbers most often reflect birth rates that occurred decades earlier- NOT the economic drivers- and natural spring back from development that often occurs during slow economic periods anticipating the growth that follows these times. You have to study causations holistically, not micro- or merely contemporarily.

Because unless I missed it, we don’t know from that self-identified socialist’s video what utopian social groups, region, government, or economic system etc these statistics occurred under.

 

[Sanwizard]

I’ve been reading this forum for a few weeks now and I’ve largely valued the discourse in this thread. But I feel like I need to say something here.

How can one say first that January 6th was carried out by supporters of freedom, the same people who VIOLENTLY entered the capitol, some of whom killed a federal police officer (Moderator Note, Fake News: it was determined that this officer's death was caused by natural causes: https://www.npr.org/2021/04/19/9888...ck-died-of-natural-causes-medical-examiner-ru) and threatened the Vice President of the US with hanging and multiple members of Congress then go on to say how one supports honor, duty, and integrity? I can fully expect that my words will be twisted in order to prove a point that the terrorists on 1/6 WERE acting w integrity to fight the “deep state” but let’s be real. The expectation in modern society is to show up at the polls and change the hands controlling government by ones vote. Not by violent upheaval. Which, by the way, was fomented by conspiracy theorists in the media and our own government because quite honestly the last administration did not want to leave unless there was no other option (Moderator Note, Fake News: The last administration followed all laws and legal avenues available to them in their departure from the office as would any party I imagine, please see the election results of 1876: https://millercenter.org/the-presidency/educational-resources/disputed-election-1876). And it wanted to elicit as much concern about irregularities as possible because that is the play book of that “side”. It’s nothing new.

its really interesting to long for the times when children were “indoctrinated” to love their country, I think that speaks volumes and what is really valued: subjugation and worship of the state, and the elimination of critical thinking about history

That was a thoughtful and respectful response. Thank you. I guess when you have been around as long as I have, and struggled through as much adversity as I have, and watched the culture change from John Wayne to Rue Paul, it causes a sense of loss for simpler times.
I was watching a Youtube today about a couple who have gone full time RV'ing, and have noticed the same as our culture is in decline. They were in the middle of nowhere, and their ebikes were stolen a second time in a short period.
That disgusts me, and makes me wish parents would actually raise their children with morals, vs throwing them into day care and school, and expecting them to be raised by the "village".
There are NO excuses. Poverty and class are not an excuse for immoral and illegal behavior. I know first hand. That is why I agree with Will.
Thanks for acknowledging the fake news narrative. I know people who were there on Jan 6th. Unlike Antifa, these were Grandmas's and kids. Veterans and Firemen, Teachers and Students. If those are terrorists, the world is upside down.
Knowing the folks who went, I believe in the FBI directed infiltration theory to create a narrative. Its not that far out there. Look at 3 years of media narrative around Trump russia collision. Totally debunked bullshit.

 

[Here for the boos]

I don't have time to read all of the posts here. The whole point of the video is to stop discussing and start working. To make yourself hard to kill. Right now I'm finishing a book about DC circuits, and I started boxing last week. Maybe it's time for you guys to get off the computer and start training or studying. Or build a better solar power system. There is work that needs to be done.

Even though I own the forum, it is your guy's forum. Direct the discussion in a way that is productive for everyone.

I'm glad you're ok with a discussion. My take is you made a video that ignores how we got to the place we got to, that you obviously don't like, but instead of figuring out what happened, instead of figuring out the most important thing, the "Why?", and trying to course correct, you just want to push on, and if that means you're doing things alone then so be it. Basically learn nothing so history can repeat itself, but this time "I'll be more set up for the outcome. Good for me. Too bad for the rest of those suckers. I even tried to warn them!"

Now I don't think you have ill intentions at all. I'm sure you did years of videos and work for almost no return till maybe now, to genuinely help people, and that's completely admirable. I genuinely appreciate all the videos and knowledge you've freely given on the solar topics that you probably didn't know for a long time could ever be a full time job (and I don't know, maybe it still isn't, but I hope so, and I hope you're making tons of money for all the work you've done. Definitely earned it.)

My only issue is you put out a political video, yes it's political, even if you didn't intend or realize it, because the source of all your problems stems from policies and legislations that happened anywhere from decades ago till very recently. For instance removal of banking regulations led to The Great Recession years later. That led to stagnate wages for decades. Mostly when your generation should be really starting to accumulate wealth to set them up for life. Instead they haven't made any money and now houses are out of their price range and Blackstone is buying $6 billion dollars worth of single family homes so no one else can buy, and they can just rent them out. Basically a butterfly flapping it's wings blah blah blah. Except all this was predictable.

But you're different you worked your butt off, and got to where you are today right? You lived through the same stuff, and you still had success. (Again. Fan-darn-tastic. So happy for you.) So it SEEMS, and I don't want to stick words in your mouth, that your thought is if you can do it anyone can. Unfortunately that's simply not true. Life isn't fair. Someone could work twice as hard as you, and still fail. There's other circumstances you can't control that also have to work out in your favor even if you don't immediately see them. Like driving, you drive everyday passing hundreds of cars daily. Every day your life depends on each one of those cars not having a tire blowout, careening into your car, and killing you. Millions of things can happen daily that can end it all right there. Millions of little things can happen also to help you advance more in your life. I think you should reflect on your life and acknowledge you got to where you are through your hard work AND (again not to assume I know anything about your life or how you grew up so I'm just putting out examples of what could have happened) that your parents raised you in a stable home, you lived in a neighborhood where you didn't get woken up in the middle of the night by gunshots (sleep is huge for a developing brain), they pushed you to get into science or supported you when you did, you applied on the right day and the right person saw your resume, etc. Again a million things went right to get where you did, but you still needed to work incredibly hard for it. A bodybuilder taking steroids still has to work incredibly hard to build muscles to compete. What gets him to the top is the combination of steroids and work ethic and good circumstances.

That brings me to your generation. Again you're talking about problems you see, but not talking about why you see them. Do you think there's been a fundamental change in humans over the last 40ish years that didn't happen in the previous million? Nope. We're still the same. We still all just crave stability of nutritious food, water, shelter, sleep, and health. Wheels, computers, airplanes, etc. is all just a means to a hopefully slightly easier and more comfortable end. Your generation absolutely has some legitimate gripes, but let's not pretend previous generations didn't complain about things too, and that some of it was things like black people drinking from white water fountains, and some of it was youth complaining about The Great Deppression screwing things up for them. Nothing has changed, and people haven't changed. It's just a little hotter now, and is going to keep going. I just think we shouldn't be worried about each other's struggles and thinking yours was better, or worse, than mine. That takes us off the real issues that is affecting almost everyone like companies trying to muddy the waters on climate change which is hurting everyone's generation. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/

Fix underlying issues, and let's go from there. Don't think that will stop anyone from complaining though. That's just fundamentally in our nature too and it pushes us to advance.

Anyway, final rant off unless you want to talk about it more, I think I'll be done with this topic for now. Have a good one. Thanks for your work.

 

[Here for the boos]

That was a thoughtful and respectful response. Thank you. I guess when you have been around as long as I have, and struggled through as much adversity as I have, and watched the culture change from John Wayne to Rue Paul, it causes a sense of loss for simpler times.
I was watching a Youtube today about a couple who have gone full time RV'ing, and have noticed the same as our culture is in decline. They were in the middle of nowhere, and their ebikes were stolen a second time in a short period.
That disgusts me, and makes me wish parents would actually raise their children with morals, vs throwing them into day care and school, and expecting them to be raised by the "village".
There are NO excuses. Poverty and class are not an excuse for immoral and illegal behavior. I know first hand. That is why I agree with Will.
Thanks for acknowledging the fake news narrative. I know people who were there on Jan 6th. Unlike Antifa, these were Grandmas's and kids. Veterans and Firemen, Teachers and Students. If those are terrorists, the world is upside down.
Knowing the folks who went, I believe in the FBI directed infiltration theory to create a narrative. Its not that far out there. Look at 3 years of media narrative around Trump russia collision. Totally debunked bullshit.

"Simpler times" is a myth. Times were never simple, struggles were just different. You grew up with them so they're easier to comprehend, you get older and the struggles change, and they're different from what you know so you judge them based on your experiences.

There were people on Jan 6th that didn't try to go into the capitol. That's different from the ones who actually did. From the ones that planned to raid the capitol, who had nooses tied, who killed police, (Moderator Note, Fake News: it was determined that this officer's death was caused by natural causes: https://www.npr.org/2021/04/19/9888...ck-died-of-natural-causes-medical-examiner-ru this is the second time I've had to point this out, please make it the last) who had plans for the building, or did tours with Republicans the day before. If you really think this was all an fbi plot or whatever then you need to help push the republican senators to investigate. Hmmm.....I wonder why they wouldn't want to investigate at all and just sweep this under the rug? It should prove their innocence after all right?

Trump didn't collude with Russia. That was proven good enough. Now he did have like 13 possible counts of obstruction that Barr wouldn't look into, however.

 

[Sanwizard]

"Simpler times" is a myth. Times were never simple, struggles were just different. You grew up with them so they're easier to comprehend, you get older and the struggles change, and they're different from what you know so you judge them based on your experiences.

There were people on Jan 6th that didn't try to go into the capitol. That's different from the ones who actually did. From the ones that planned to raid the capitol, who had nooses tied, who killed police, who had plans for the building, or did tours with Republicans the day before. If you really think this was all an fbi plot or whatever then you need to help push the republican senators to investigate. Hmmm.....I wonder why they wouldn't want to investigate at all and just sweep this under the rug? It should prove their innocence after all right?

Trump didn't collude with Russia. That was proven good enough. Now he did have like 13 possible counts of obstruction that Barr wouldn't look into, however.

Nobody killed police, that guy died after the fact from natural causes. Seems your a victim of the fake narrative. Police killed an UNARMED Veteran. Veteran Lives Matter.

 

[TJ King]

The FTC requirements for 'Made in USA' designation: "..the product must be "all or virtually all" made in the U.S.." -

Laser welding tabs & adding busbars does not meet these requirements! Battleborn assembles China supplied cells into battery packs in the US (they are part owned by the company that makes the cells). They don't claim their packs to be 'Made in USA'.

As I mentioned earlier, I'm not dismissing his efforts. The current political & economic climate in the US simply does not support risk taking - too many investors are looking to make 10x their investments in 2-3 years. And with US customers aggressively price shopping, making simpler items like inverters in the US is not profitable.

It's a catch-22 situation and I don't see an easy way out.

I read Will's point as "What is your goal or motive in making daily decisions that improve your life and the well-being of your local or national community?... and what choices YOU make are more likely to have the intended outcome?" As I said, the above 22 yr old gentleman has adopted the mindset that Will seems to be espousing. Whether you are "dismissing" him or claiming his choice of livelihood is easy or not too difficult or whatever your point on that is is up to you and I have no problem with that. I just wanted to make the point that I agree with the point I assume Will is making and that this gentleman is pursuing a path of personal responsibility and productivity with no obscure marginally useful college degrees in woke studies and if part of what he does to add value to our community means coming into contact with goods or services that may involve in part foreign countries, I consider that of much smaller significance in the grand scheme of things. I wanted to explicitly say he is doing good for America in that regard, and if you have more ambiguous feelings about his life choices, fair enough.

I'm glad you included that link from the FTC to bolster my point that the Made in USA label often does not mean 100% made in America, nor do products with foreign names always mean 100% made abroad. As your link explains in detail, whether a "qualified" or "unqualified" Made in USA product is in full or partial compliance, there are complex criteria and a multitude of treaties, laws and commissions that decide the percentage of foreign parts allowed and whether each is "significant" enough to disqualify the "Made in USA" label or whether their claim is intentionally deceptive or not. It sounds like you have done some research on Battle Born, which I did not bring up, so I guess you know more than I that as far as I know, they dont use a "Made in USA" label. They do use phrases like "Designed and assembled right here in the USA", which I am guessing is because they are complying with the "Qualified" designation in the trade laws mentioned in the link you provided. So good for them. As I said, you probably know a lot more about BB than I but in my gut, If I had a choice between buying products directly from no name alibaba site with a PO Box in Bejing or a Nevada based value added US company(regardless of in part or wholely reliant on foreign investment) that uses foreign products, I'd imagine I'm going to have a smoother post-sales experience when my delivery occurs. So, I'm not defending BB, just my own personal gut feel, just again saying there is no cut and dry 100% Foreign, 100% domestic silver bullet solution that a single solar product purchase is going to stave off our nation's demise or doom us to 21st century slavery by China. There are numerous micro choices in between the two extremes and Will seems to be saying lets keep our eye on the ball and not lose sight of the priorities and the other hard daily choices that achieve the goals that work best for us as individuals and as a nation.

To this day, my father wont buy Toshiba products since they shared quiet submarine technology with the Communists during the cold war. We all make prejudiced decisions when we buy things. Some people factor in a long list of considerations and weigh them each carefully. Some people impulse buy. Some people like my father lock in a flat life long prohibition based on his belief in geo-political hegemony and wont be swayed even in the face of new mitigating considerations. I was glad to hear Will make his point about personal responsibility and a plea to think deeper about personal decision making and sitting in judgement of the personal decisions of others. Economics is part of the school of social and behavioral sciences, but I'm sure most economists knew what Will meant by worthless social issue based college degrees. I agree with a lot of what you say. Thanks for your response. All the best to you

 

[Here for the boos]

Nobody killed police, that guy died after the fact from natural causes. Seems your a victim of the fake narrative. Police killed an UNARMED Veteran. Veteran Lives Matter.

A veteran, not that that matters in this instance, trying to enter the capitol ILLEGALLY. Is that a law you don't have to follow when your you really, really, really feel like it's not fair your guy lost?

Depends who you're talking about for "natural causes". Officer Sicknick being taken off of life support after being bashed in the head with a fire extinguisher is I guess technically natural causes when you can't breathe on your own. I don't think his head naturally caved in at the exact moment the fire extinguisher was coming at him though. Again. If you think that it's all BS and lies you should push all the Republicans to investigate and figure out all out. Why don't any of them want to investigate it? Doesn't that sound fishy to you? All the democrats want to get to the bottom of things, but Republicans don't. Kinda weird.... (but no proof is really helpful when you're just trying to push out conspiracy theories)

 

[houseofancients]

@Will Prowse
may i suggest we permantly close this topic ?
i am very sure you never intended a discussion as we're having right now.

i believe loads of people gave their view, and this has the promis to completely go haywire.

point of the video is well taken by all..

work hard, play hard and do something, if not for yourself, do it for someone else.

 

[Will Prowse]

Going by the recent posts, I think most have said what they wanted to. I suppose it's a good idea to close it at this point. I will close the thread unless other mods object and convince me otherwise.