DEYE Inverter UL Listed available in US

[solardad]

I am saying they are the original creator because the owner of Sol-Ark stated that already.

Not sure I agree with that statement given the history and depth of similarities. If so, then Sol-Ark has some of the worst copyright/patent lawyers out there. Outside of the UI even the software seems to be identical down to the modbus registers. They said they would never do a 'smaller' inverter (I know I asked several times prior to my 12k purchase) and lo and behold they come out with a 5kw version which has been out for 1+ years as a DEYE. In short if you want a preview of potential products that Sol-Ark will come out with visit the DEYE products page.

The goal of me starting this thread was to highlight an alternative 'brand' that competes with the Sol-Ark on price. I love my 12k but the price is still high in my book and if the timing and availability was such I would've purchased the DEYE instead.

Sol-Ark front line support is good but for in-depth DIY questions and functionality you get passed to there 'engineer' (which is good). Not sure what DEYE support would be like but I know there are other discussion boards where the sunsynk version is the locally sold inverter that have tons of knowledge and experience. I have learned just as much or more about my 12k Sol-Ark by reading threads there about the Sunsynk.

Either way I don't think you can go wrong by choosing a DEYE and look forward to others sharing their DEYE experience.

Also there is another white label version of the DEYE inverter being sold with US specs. on Alibaba. Can't find the link at the moment but we seem to be heading in a direction where there will be a number of white boxes for this style of inverters.

 

[Sanwizard]

Not sure I agree with that statement given the history and depth of similarities. If so, then Sol-Ark has some of the worst copyright/patent lawyers out there. Outside of the UI even the software seems to be identical down to the modbus registers. They said they would never do a 'smaller' inverter (I know I asked several times prior to my 12k purchase) and lo and behold they come out with a 5kw version which has been out for 1+ years as a DEYE. In short if you want a preview of potential products that Sol-Ark will come out with visit the DEYE products page.

The goal of me starting this thread was to highlight an alternative 'brand' that competes with the Sol-Ark on price. I love my 12k but the price is still high in my book and if the timing and availability was such I would've purchased the DEYE instead.

Sol-Ark front line support is good but for in-depth DIY questions and functionality you get passed to there 'engineer' (which is good). Not sure what DEYE support would be like but I know there are other discussion boards where the sunsynk version is the locally sold inverter that have tons of knowledge and experience. I have learned just as much or more about my 12k Sol-Ark by reading threads there about the Sunsynk.

Either way I don't think you can go wrong by choosing a DEYE and look forward to others sharing their DEYE experience.

Also there is another white label version of the DEYE inverter being sold with US specs. on Alibaba. Can't find the link at the moment but we seem to be heading in a direction where there will be a number of white boxes for this style of inverters.

Please share the link when you find it. I really like the Deye capabilities, but hate the Sol-Ark price.

 

[robby]

they are not, very simply put...

the idea and first software was created by an english bloke living in hongkong
he was the company that made the sun-1000 and sun-2000 GTIL .
that company was bought by deye , which then released the sun-1000 and sun-2000 GTIL2.

From that basis bigger inverters were developed by keith ( english bloke) and for UK and tge africa's he has the exclusive rights to release them as sunsynk.
Deye had rights to do the globe.

then can sol-ark, which LICENSED them exclusively for the north american market as sol-ark..
and marked them up by 300% , giving them a longer warranty, local support and area specific software changes/development.

as this poohaa is mostly bullcrap, just like theur " made in usa" , which later became " designed in usa" to protect their extraordinary markup figures

full stop

DEYE is mostly a manufacturer, so what would them buying out sun-1000 and sun-2000 which is a completely different design than the the Sol-Ark have to do with anything?

I am sure Deye has bought out or acquired the tech from many companies to increase their product line.
The current Sunsynk inverters are just another copy of the same Sol-Ark design and also only has a 5 year warranty plus seem to be focused on the Domestic Chinese Market but has now spread into Africa, Australia and UK.

Are you a reseller of these Inverters?

 

[Sanwizard]

DEYE is mostly a manufacturer, so what would them buying out sun-1000 and sun-2000 which is a completely different design than the the Sol-Ark have to do with anything?

I am sure Deye has bought out or acquired the tech from many companies to increase their product line.
The current Sunsynk inverters are just another copy of the same Sol-Ark design and also only has a 5 year warranty plus seem to be focused on the Domestic Chinese Market but has now spread into Africa, Australia and UK.

Are you a reseller of these Inverters?

I believe Deye is the OEM, and Sol-Ark has US Disty rights. Similar to Voltronics and MPP, Growatt, etc.
They provide the US support, and the EMP hardening aspects.

Its like HP enterprise storage. They buy from Hitachi. So did Sun Microsystems. So did HDS in the US.
Japan Hitachi RSD built them for all three entities, with different name plates. Same firmware across the board.

 

[solardad]

I am sure Deye has bought out or acquired the tech from many companies to increase their product line.

Correct. Prior to the 12k sol-ark I had the GTIL-1k versions powering the house and purchased them prior to DEYE taking over the lines.
The sale of the these inverters (1k and 2k versions) to DEYE is documented in this FB group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/958155904321773/

 

[solar8484]

I am saying they are the original creator because the owner of Sol-Ark stated that already.
My statement about component quality simply has to do with the difference in price and the shorter warranty of the knock off versions.

I don't know how familiar you with the system but evidently not all that much. For smaller manufactures who have products that have technology that interest the CCP it is almost mandatory to share all design info and firmware with your Chinese partner. Since they are already building the product they would of course need the design information anyway.

I don't have detailed information on what the Deye can do via the firmware versus the Sol-Ark but if there is an agreement in place, then it would require Sol-Ark to give Deye any updates they create. BTW it's often not only the designs and software that they will require but in certain cases if specialized machines are needed to build the item they will require them to be sent to China on a one way trip. That is why so many factories in the USA have in the past had to ship all their production equipment to China as well as people from the company to setup and train the Chinese workers on how to use and maintain the equipment.

Sorry you had bad experience with manufacturing in China but what you described is not typical even for small companies doing manufacturing in China. I have only seen what you described for companies seeking to sell in to China which is not the case for Sol-Ark. And frankly both Sol-Ark and Deye are too small for CCP to really get involved.

From all the reports including the messages from Sol-Ark and Deye employees, it looks more likely that Sol-Ark OEM'd from Deye with some customizations (packaging, upgraded components, etc.) and rebranding for the US market especially given there appears to be no major functionality differences. Such arrangement is done all the time by lots of US companies.

 

[robby]

Let me clear up a few misconceptions. Sol-Ark is owned by US Veterans, not Deye. The engineers at Sol-Ark designed the Hybrid-Inverters and Deye is a manufacturer of our innovations. We worked with them for 7 years and gave them much of the IP to assist in the development of their grid-tied and microinverter options. 99% of the features, software methods, GUI, and hardware was done by us in the US.

So why would we give away IP? Our mission is affordable energy independence for family homes and businesses. We allowed Deye to sell elsewhere, in accordance to our agreement, so it could lower the costs for everyone and we pass that on.

Our Veteran owners and engineers fought around the world for the love and respect of the US people. Our focus is here now.

Why is there a higher price for Sol-Ark? #1) We paid millions in development, prototypes, debug, and cleaning up manufacturing mistakes. #2) We spent 100's of thousands in UL certificates and engineering time. #3) We warranty and repair our systems. #4) We pay a 25% tariff on these inverters. Others you mention in this blog are falsifying the country of origin to only pay 1.5%. #5) Features and functions of Sol-Ark products are significantly different for the US market and we continuously improve. #6) We designed it for ourselves and DIYers and found this requires a tremendous amount of support. Our rapidly growing engineering team is committed to their success.

Thanks for letting us know about these Stole-Arks. What good is a $30-50K ESS system that fails?

Remember our mission of affordability. We realized long ago that reducing the cost of the inverter was not the complete answer. Below are the largest expenses of an average installed (not DIY) ESS system = $45K before credits.

1. Battery = $13,000
20kWh x $650/kWh
2. Install = $10,000
10kWpv x $1/W
3. Financing = $7,000
$38K x 18%
4. Inverter = $6,000
8000W x $0.75/W
5. PV Panels = $5,000
10,000W x $0.50/W
6. Misc / BOM = $4,000

Each ESS (Batt + Inverter) = $19K. If we can use a single ESS to backup the entire home instead of 2+, that’s a massive savings. If we can make it 2-3X easier to install, we can bring down that expense. If we can make the battery last longer, that saves. We are currently engineering communications for Utilities that allows for “renting” your ESS ~60 times a year and pay you ~$1K/5KWh/year!

You will see some amazing innovations from Sol-Ark in 2021. Most of these will be Made in the USA as our new facility will be completed.

The Deye/Sunsynk Hybrid is a copy of a Sol-Ark, not the other way around.

Respectfully,
Tom Brennan
Sol-Ark CTO
Soli Deo Gloria

Now if an Official Company Rep from Deye would come on the Forum and clearly state some alternate version of what Sol-Ark has stated publicly, then we would have a proper argument going. In the meantime it's just a bunch of anonymous people guessing the answer Versus a representative of the company releasing an official statement that if found to be inaccurate could have serious legal consequences for their company.

 

[houseofancients]

Now if an Official Company Rep from Deye would come on the Forum and clearly state some alternate version of what Sol-Ark has stated publicly, then we would have a proper argument going. In the meantime it's just a bunch of anonymous people guessing the answer Versus a representative of the company releasing an official statement that if found to be inaccurate could have serious legal consequences for their company.

right, an officisl rep protecting his profit margin of 300 + %
meanwhile the came back to their " made in USA"

go figure, the again i'm just a annonimius weirdo

 

[houseofancients]

DEYE is mostly a manufacturer, so what would them buying out sun-1000 and sun-2000 which is a completely different design than the the Sol-Ark have to do with anything?

I am sure Deye has bought out or acquired the tech from many companies to increase their product line.
The current Sunsynk inverters are just another copy of the same Sol-Ark design and also only has a 5 year warranty plus seem to be focused on the Domestic Chinese Market but has now spread into Africa, Australia and UK.

Are you a reseller of these Inverters?

and no i am certainly not a reseller, nor a reseller for any solar stuff.
i do have a thing for doing my research..

 

[Roqm]

If

Now if an Official Company Rep from Deye would come on the Forum and clearly state some alternate version of what Sol-Ark has stated publicly, then we would have a proper argument going. In the meantime it's just a bunch of anonymous people guessing the answer Versus a representative of the company releasing an official statement that if found to be inaccurate could have serious legal consequences for

right, an officisl rep protecting his profit margin of 300 + %
meanwhile the came back to their " made in USA"

go figure, the again i'm just a annonimius weirdo

Lol was this "official rep" confirmed to be apart of solark?...all credibility lost when "made in the u.s.a" was used in marketing first blatant lie...i do thank them for the changes they made to an already great inverter but the marketing bs is crasy..but i see selling that dream makes it easier for people to part with good money.

 

[solar8484]

and no i am certainly not a reseller, nor a reseller for any solar stuff.
i do have a thing for doing my research..

To go down the rabbit hole a bit deeper, do you think Deye has the rights to sell in the US based on your research?

 

[Roqm]

and no i am certainly not a reseller, nor a reseller for any solar stuff.
i do have a thing for doing my research..

You have to have something invested because you disagree....yet a random new and never seen again "rep" word is gospel ??????

 

[Sanwizard]

You have to have something invested because you disagree....yet a random new and never seen again "rep" word is gospel ??????

In the end folks, it really does not matter. I am sure Sol-Ark is a fine inverter. That being said, the fact that they market the product at an exorbitant price, just means their market share will dwindle in time, as folks choose more reasonably priced products with the same, similar, or even better features. SMA is also a very good product, and they charge half of what Sol-Ark is asking.
As WC Fields said, there is a sucker born every second. Some folks just have to have the brand name to feel good. Its like Prada vs an LL bean or other just as good, reliable womens pocketbook.
Or building your own Lifepo4 battery with BMS, vs buying a Tesla.

 

[houseofancients]

To go down the rabbit hole a bit deeper, do you think Deye has the rights to sell in the US based on your research?

i think sol-ark signed an exclusive contract as single seller for the US market, just as sun synk has the same for the uk and africa's

 

[houseofancients]

In the end folks, it really does not matter. I am sure Sol-Ark is a fine inverter. That being said, the fact that they market the product at an exorbitant price, just means their market share will dwindle in time, as folks choose more reasonably priced products with the same, similar, or even better features. SMA is also a very good product, and they charge half of what Sol-Ark is asking.
As WC Fields said, there is a sucker born every second. Some folks just have to have the brand name to feel good. Its like Prada vs an LL bean or other just as good, reliable womens pocketbook.
Or building your own Lifepo4 battery with BMS, vs buying a Tesla.

this is an excellent inverter one way or the other, and as for me, i could care less what brandname is stuck on it

 

[solar8484]

i think sol-ark signed an exclusive contract as single seller for the US market, just as sun synk has the same for the uk and africa's

In that case, Sol-Ark could have a legit claim for contract violation against Deye for selling in the US.

 

[houseofancients]

In that case, Sol-Ark could have a legit claim for contract violation against Deye for selling in the US.

deye isnt selling in the us...
us buyers cant buy directy from deye, maybe through a grey market reseller

 

[Roqm]

In that case, Sol-Ark could have a legit claim for contract violation against Deye for selling in the

deye isnt selling in the us...
us buyers cant buy directy from deye, maybe through a grey market reseller

The authorized u.s buyer/ reseller for deye is probably neovolta for their packaged system...and now lion energy....so the exclusivity for u.s sales seems to be ending....if you dont see the lawsuits you will have your answer who realy owns what.

 

[Roqm]

The authorized u.s buyer/ reseller for deye is probably neovolta for their packaged system...and now lion energy....so the exclusivity for u.s sales seems to be ending....if you dont see the lawsuits you will have your answer who realy owns what.

 

[solar8484]

deye isnt selling in the us...
us buyers cant buy directy from deye, maybe through a grey market reseller

Really? Why would they have docs with instructions for setup in the US?

https://www.deyeinverter.com/deyeinverter/2020/12/29/502012022%E3%80%90a%E3%80%91%E5%82%A8%E8%83%BD%E5%8D%95%E7%9B%B8%E8%AF%B4%E6%98%8E%E4%B9%A6sun-5-8k-sg01lp1-useu-ver2.0-deye.pdf