The vaccinated are more likely to catch Covid

[Bob B]

Perhaps, but that's not the only factor.

We are told that Covid has hit "communities of color", black and Hispanic populations, harder.
Yet in Santa Clara County, the Covid infection rate among blacks is lower than their percentage of the population, not higher.

Employment, cultural behavior, education have a lot to do with exposure and infection rate.

San Jose of course was incorporated as a Spanish city just one year after the United States was formed as a nation.
Anyone else who is here moved here, for reasons such as employment. So we have a different mix of people.

There is almost never only 1 factor, but I believe Vitamin D levels are a big part of good health in general. Most forms of cancer have much lower levels in people with higher Vit D levels. I don't remember any studies that indicated Vitamin D as toxic, but I'm sure there are levels that can be too high, especially if achieving better levels with a suppliment.
I have read a few studies where Vitamin D was isolated as a factor for people getting seriously ill with Covid .... I don't have ready reference to them, however. Just stashed it away in my memory.

I had 2 heart attacks in my late 50's .... ever since then, I have done tons of research on health issues. After my first heart attack, I was vigilant about doing everything that was recommended by the doctors and after heart attack education programs .... then I had another one and realized what I was being told didn't work.
I found a wealth of good information in old studies and medical journal articles .... more recent articles .... not so much. Many of those things were never recommended by any of my doctors, but have allowed me to heal myself.
I discovered something called homocysteine ..... I went to my cardiologist and asked that it be tested .... mine was off the charts. This substance damages the arteries and then plaque builds up where the damage occurred to try to heal the damage ..... my cholesterol numbers where fine, but I had coronary heart disease.
The story is very long .... and a diversion from the subject ... but I just want to stress the importance of doing your own research and learning how to separate the gold from the rubble.
I am walking around with several stents .... and wonder what their expiration date is. I was amazed how good emergency medicine is .... they saved my life twice. It's the "maintenance" medicine and pill pushing that I have a problem with.
I haven't carried nitro around in my pocket for many years now.

Every person is different and reacts differently to foods and proteins and sugars ..... if you work at it very hard, you can determine what works best for your body. We are individuals ... one size doesn't fit all.

 

[MurphyGuy]

This subject has a tremendous amount of nuance so yes, fructose is metabolized differently than other sugars, but lets be clear and make a distinction:

naturally occurring fructose is not a concern. High fructose corn syrup which is a manufactured sweetener and a totally different molecule than naturally occurring fructose is the concern.

The fructose argument is one we are probably not going to agree on. Naturally occurring fructose for a person that is healthy is perfectly fine IMO. High fructose corn syrup, especially consumed in the quantities most consume it is horrible.

As for keto. Keto is not a high protein diet. If you consume more than 1.5g of protein per lbs of lean body mass there is a high probability you are not in ketosis. I personally consume .6-1g/lbs lean body mass. Unless you are measuring your blood and are seeing at a minimum .2-.3 milimol beta hydroxybutyrate you can not claim to be "keto".

Keto is not dangerous if you are educated. Yes potassium can be an issue. The easiest source of potassium is cream of tartar. You are not keto if you are eating bananas.

If you want to talk about dangerous diets lets talk about the SAD (standard american diet).

Table sugar, known as "Sucrose", isn't actually a sugar molecule, it is a combination of glucose and fructose combined.

High fructose corn syrup is the same as table sugar.. The corn syrup, which is just glucose, is transformed through an enzyme reaction that turns some of it into fructose..

There are different levels of HFCS, some is only 10% fructose, some is as high as 50%, which is basically table sugar.

I agree that the standard American diet is unhealthy. We evolved eating fats and protiens. I don't normally eat bananas, but in desperation for potassium, they are the quickest source along with spinach. Cream of tartar = yuk..

I do use keto test strips and I'm right in the middle.. although I haven't bothered to test after eating bananas.

 

[noenegdod]

Ok , so they are dispensable individuals and it’s ok for them to die prematurely… oh and they may be type I diabetic too or have childhood cancer, but its their fault or their parents fault and so it’s still not worth the efforts of mitigation to protect them, because they should be culled from the herd rather than protected! Still not in agreement with such, but if you are, this will continue to result in more devastation of families and loss of human life prematurely and suddenly… but whatever… I’ve already lost a loved one, and not willing to lose others alive (such as my elderly parents with risk factors) and will never understand how people can blame others for health issues they currently are facing and which cannot be undone at this point, and just not want to help by simply wearing a mask in public settings…. but everyone please have a nice day and enjoy your life - as you never know when it might be come undone and be destroyed suddenly and prematurely… and no need to bother driving safely either… feel free to drive like you’re the only one on the road …

Mia, I have obviously hurt your feelings. However, unlike the reaction most expect from such a ridiculous outburst attempting to claim I dont care about anyone, there is no apology on its way.

I clearly said:

Children that are healthy are not at risk. Everyone that is at risk should go find a bubble and let the rest of the world get to work so there is a world to get back to when they can come out of the bubble.

So how you managed to believe such a reply was warranted is beyond me. Do I care about everyone? No, I cant. There are to many of you out there. I look after me and mine. I dont wish you ill either though. I pay my taxes and those taxes can go towards looking after you and your bad choices but dont think I am going to go out of my way to keep you safe. I look after myself. You look after yourself. The vast majority of all diseases are caused by lifestyle choices including environment and diet. ALL are personal choices, whether you chose to not pay attention in school and not be educated or smoke or eat fast food. Im not going to come knocking on your door looking for help if you made better choices than I did. Dont come to me looking to keep you safe if my choices turned out to be better.

 

[noenegdod]

Table sugar, known as "Sucrose", isn't actually a sugar molecule, it is a combination of glucose and fructose combined.

High fructose corn syrup is the same as table sugar.. The corn syrup, which is just glucose, is transformed through an enzyme reaction that turns some of it into fructose..

There are different levels of HFCS, some is only 10% fructose, some is as high as 50%, which is basically table sugar.

I agree that the standard American diet is unhealthy. We evolved eating fats and protiens. I don't normally eat bananas, but in desperation for potassium, they are the quickest source along with spinach. Cream of tartar = yuk..

I do use keto test strips and I'm right in the middle.. although I haven't bothered to test after eating bananas.

I dont remember discussing table sugar or saying it was different from HFCS. If I did please point it out so I can go correct it. I am perfectly happy lumping table sugar into the same category as HFCS because they are basically the same.

Cream of tartar isnt that bad. I take 1/4 tea spoon in a shot glass with water probably every second day, maybe a little more often. I dont look forward to it but its a necessary evil.

Keto strips are ok initially but they straight up dont work after a month or so. After a month or so your body stops spilling ketones into your urine and even though you are in ketosis they will not indicate. You have to measure blood or breath to know where you stand.

 

[mike3113]

The vaccine does not prevent the infection, it just lessens the severity to a common cold.

People who are vaccinated, including me, are probably more likely to be less careful about getting the infection.. I know that before I was vaccinated, I would wear a mask, use sanitizer, keep my distance from others, etc..

Now that I'm vaccinated, I just ignore all those extra precautions... and I'm just your average person so I assume if I behave that way, others probably do as well.

I still wash my hands a lot, but I always did that..

There is almost never only 1 factor, but I believe Vitamin D levels are a big part of good health in general. Most forms of cancer have much lower levels in people with higher Vit D levels. I don't remember any studies that indicated Vitamin D as toxic, but I'm sure there are levels that can be too high, especially if achieving better levels with a suppliment.
I have read a few studies where Vitamin D was isolated as a factor for people getting seriously ill with Covid .... I don't have ready reference to them, however. Just stashed it away in my memory.

I had 2 heart attacks in my late 50's .... ever since then, I have done tons of research on health issues. After my first heart attack, I was vigilant about doing everything that was recommended by the doctors and after heart attack education programs .... then I had another one and realized what I was being told didn't work.
I found a wealth of good information in old studies and medical journal articles .... more recent articles .... not so much. Many of those things were never recommended by any of my doctors, but have allowed me to heal myself.
I discovered something called homocysteine ..... I went to my cardiologist and asked that it be tested .... mine was off the charts. This substance damages the arteries and then plaque builds up where the damage occurred to try to heal the damage ..... my cholesterol numbers where fine, but I had coronary heart disease.
The story is very long .... and a diversion from the subject ... but I just want to stress the importance of doing your own research and learning how to separate the gold from the rubble.
I am walking around with several stents .... and wonder what their expiration date is. I was amazed how good emergency medicine is .... they saved my life twice. It's the "maintenance" medicine and pill pushing that I have a problem with.
I haven't carried nitro around in my pocket for many years now.

Every person is different and reacts differently to foods and proteins and sugars ..... if you work at it very hard, you can determine what works best for your body. We are individuals ... one size doesn't fit all.

The truth is the covid sickness was made to remove resistance to governments over reach all over the world by creating a environment of fear. It has long been a tactic of war to divide and concur using fear. If the vaccine was real and worked then covid would have been over in less than a month. why you ask? because all vaccines prevent sickness by teaching the immune system how to fight an incoming virous through introduction to a dead implanted pathogen that is simpler. (case in point "small pox vaccine") To answer your main question of why? why not use normal immune boosting vitamins and other drugs to fight covid. well because that would mean that covid was treatable and did not need trillions of dollars of government spending and over reach. { "after all there was money to be made and who cares if a few old million old people die because of it."}

 

[noenegdod]

The truth is the covid sickness was made to remove resistance to governments over reach all over the world by creating a environment of fear. It has long been a tactic of war to divide and concur using fear. If the vaccine was real and worked then covid would have been over in less than a month. why you ask? because all vaccines prevent sickness by teaching the immune system how to fight an incoming virous through introduction to a dead implanted pathogen that is simpler. (case in point "small pox vaccine") To answer your main question of why? why not use normal immune boosting vitamins and other drugs to fight covid. well because that would mean that covid was treatable and did not need trillions of dollars of government spending and over reach. { "after all there was money to be made and who cares if a few old million old people die because of it."}

This is would be correct if the humans were the obligate host but because animals are also reservoirs for corona virus, there is no possible way for a vaccine to eradicate the virus.

It is true that fear is a powerful tool that can be used against a population, and I do believe that there is a lot of governments using it in this way, I doubt it was actually "made" for this purpose.

 

[Bob B]

The truth is the covid sickness was made to remove resistance to governments over reach all over the world by creating a environment of fear. It has long been a tactic of war to divide and concur using fear. If the vaccine was real and worked then covid would have been over in less than a month. why you ask? because all vaccines prevent sickness by teaching the immune system how to fight an incoming virous through introduction to a dead implanted pathogen that is simpler. (case in point "small pox vaccine") To answer your main question of why? why not use normal immune boosting vitamins and other drugs to fight covid. well because that would mean that covid was treatable and did not need trillions of dollars of government spending and over reach. { "after all there was money to be made and who cares if a few old million old people die because of it."}

I think it is more akin to .... never let a good crisis to to waste.

As far as the money trail goes ..... that can turn into a real mess. A few years ago, laws were changed that allowed those doing government funded research to hold patents on the research they were paid to discover.
Clearly, that was a bad idea.
There are a number of patents held by prominent officials on the Coronavirus itself an treatment methods for Coronavirus. That is also a BAD idea.

 

[MurphyGuy]

The truth is the covid sickness was made to remove resistance to governments over reach all over the world by creating a environment of fear. It has long been a tactic of war to divide and concur using fear. If the vaccine was real and worked then covid would have been over in less than a month. why you ask? because all vaccines prevent sickness by teaching the immune system how to fight an incoming virous through introduction to a dead implanted pathogen that is simpler. (case in point "small pox vaccine") To answer your main question of why? why not use normal immune boosting vitamins and other drugs to fight covid. well because that would mean that covid was treatable and did not need trillions of dollars of government spending and over reach. { "after all there was money to be made and who cares if a few old million old people die because of it."}

LOL..

 

[mike3113]

This is would be correct if the humans were the obligate host but because animals are also reservoirs for corona virus, there is no possible way for a vaccine to eradicate the virus.

It is true that fear is a powerful tool that can be used against a population, and I do believe that there is a lot of governments using it in this way, I doubt it was actually "made" for this purpose.

"I doubt it was actually "made" for this purpose" One word response to this "china" or (if you want me to be politicly correct) [the communist party of china]

 

[noenegdod]

"I doubt it was actually "made" for this purpose" One word response to this "china" or (if you want me to be politicly correct) [the communist party of china]

Didn't say it wasn't in the realm of possibility, I just doubt it. This would be a pretty bush league tactic for China at this point. 50 years ago, maybe. They have far greater resources and abilities than a stupid little covid bug now.

 

[dweick]

Did you read the Moderna 40,000 person 6 months study? It showed no effect on the death rate, but did stop people from feeling the symptoms and instead turned them into super spreaders in my opinion.

It really helps if you include a link to the source document and a reference to the page that supports your claim.

 

[Mia]

Excessive proteins are also hard on your kidneys as they need to work harder to excrete it through the kidneys which wasn’t what it usually processes …. And excessive sugar/carbs eventually will turn into fat depositions … which is then hard on your liver too… We are not taught about nutrition as kids in a way that is meaningful... And even when people did, kids are young and invincible and it’s just older people that needed to worry about obesity and high cholesterol… or it seemed to be before kids were also struggling with obesity… food in our culture seems to be more about comfort and socializing than about healthy and nutrition… I never realized just how much though until this pandemic… there are way too many restaurants these days… and not many are selling nutritional healthy options… and the healthier they are the pricier …. So people are many times making choices based on the prices more than the nutritional basis….

Ok , so they are dispensable individuals and it’s ok for them to die prematurely… oh and they may be type I diabetic too or have childhood cancer, but its their fault or their parents fault and so it’s still not worth the efforts of mitigation to protect them, because they should be culled from the herd rather than protected!

Mia, I have obviously hurt your feelings. However, unlike the reaction most expect from such a ridiculous outburst attempting to claim I dont care about anyone, there is no apology on its way.

I clearly said:


So how you managed to believe such a reply was warranted is beyond me. Do I care about everyone? No, I cant. There are to many of you out there. I look after me and mine. I dont wish you ill either though. I pay my taxes and those taxes can go towards looking after you and your bad choices but dont think I am going to go out of my way to keep you safe. I look after myself. You look after yourself. The vast majority of all diseases are caused by lifestyle choices including environment and diet. ALL are personal choices, whether you chose to not pay attention in school and not be educated or smoke or eat fast food. Im not going to come knocking on your door looking for help if you made better choices than I did. Dont come to me looking to keep you safe if my choices turned out to be better.

As I previously noted, continue living your life like you’re the only driver on the road! Have a nice day! Enjoy living your life in your own little bubble… no need to worry about any other drivers… everyones out there driving like they are the only ones on the road - I understand it now! Good day!

 

[noenegdod]

As I previously noted, continue living your life like you’re the only driver on the road! Have a nice day! Enjoy living your life in your own little bubble… no need to worry about any other drivers… everyones out there driving like they are the only ones on the road - I understand it now! Good day!

Glad you have a grasp on it now. Im not living in a bubble and Im not the only one on the road. The people that are unable to drive need to get off the road and the people afraid of their shadow or sick need to go climb in a bubble.

I really dont understand why it is that the weak think the rest of us should slow down to accommodate them.

“Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times."
G. Michael Hopf,

I think we are at the tail end of step 3. I can only imagine the shrieking that will happen when all the weakness surrounding you cant protect you.

 

[Mia]

Think what you want… I’m not the one that said the hell with others… while I’m agnostic I’m not heartless and I actually care about those that can’t elicit an immune response or cannot attempt to even take the vaccine based upon age or health issues which they may or may not have caused by their choices vs genetic lottery. I will continue to do what I possibly can to help the greater herd, by wearing a mask as it’s the least one can do for the time being! Drive on like your the only one on the road that matters! Enjoy your ride!

 

[Daddy Tanuki]

I am not going to comment on individuals posts except for this all of your right To a degree. What pisses me off isn’t each other when you ignore the fact that this was caused by China and by our own government via Government grants by the NIH. Anthony Fauci should be in jail for bypassing the laws in our Congress and Senate passed. Until we deal with China properly in regards to this and bureaucrats like Fauchi We will not be safe

 

[curiouscarbon]

Fauchian bargain

 

[curiouscarbon]

I will continue to wear a mask at the market for the foreseeable future.

I don’t even think of telling someone in public to put on a mask, they might go independence day and breathe on me or something ?‍just protect self, cannot go around the world trying to undo the mis-education executed by entities larger than myself. Also it’s friggin boring and not particularly fun to do pandemic mitigations so I empathize with people who are “tired and want to get back to normal life”. But it ain’t over yet.

Stay safe out there friends

 

[newbostonconst]

The Moderna studies have shown no such thing. They basically show the opposite. Death rates are reduced. Infections are reduced.

Granted; Statistics can be used to show whatever results one desires to present by just a simple misquote of facts.

https://www.fda.gov/media/144246/download#page=50

Here is the nearly 40,000 person study in which death rate remained extremely low showing that the vaccines don't show an influence on death rate.

Here is the Madera summary page, they don't even talk about death because it had no effect in the study.

Moderna Covid19 Vaccine

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www.modernatx.com

I am not saying they cause death, I am saying the vaccine has no effect on the death rate as I stated earlier.....If you don't agree bring data.

 

[noenegdod]

https://www.fda.gov/media/144246/download#page=50

Here is the nearly 40,000 person study in which death rate remained extremely low showing that the vaccines don't show an influence on death rate.

Here is the Madera summary page, they don't even talk about death because it had no effect in the study.

Moderna Covid19 Vaccine

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www.modernatx.com

I am not saying they cause death, I am saying the vaccine has no effect on the death rate as I stated earlier.....If you don't agree bring data.

I have not read the study but it isnt going to change my "gut feeling" on the subject (because I have believed this would be the case from the onset). I am pretty sure that if you look at a 2 or 3 year window, the average death rate is going to remain the same or at least with in a margin of error. Covid, for the most part, kills people that were going to die in the short term anyway.

Edit: The epidemiological term that is used is actually "dry tinder"

Of course there are a few people that do have their life expectancy significantly reduced but IMO covid takes out the weak. I believe this happens because everyone goes through periods in their life where they are strong and relatively weak. If you are actually otherwise healthy and were to have a significant physical injury and even worse it became infected and your immune system is stressed, covid may take you out because it is just too much at that point in time.

Edit: I realized I had forgotten to include the fact that there are people that would have lived a lot longer lives but were operating at a very low capacity: The cheese burger/big mac with supersized fries and drink arm chair quarter back crowd and the like that are certainly at risk. That crowd is the crowd that will account for an increase in death rate if it does occur.

 

[Shale MacGregor]

I have not read the study but it isnt going to change my "gut feeling" on the subject (because I have believed this would be the case from the onset). I am pretty sure that if you look at a 2 or 3 year window, the average death rate is going to remain the same or at least with in a margin of error. Covid, for the most part, kills people that were going to die in the short term anyway.

So, if I am understanding you properly, it is not our responsibility to wear a mask or take preventative measures to protect those who might be more susceptible to a reduction in lifespan?

There are definitely plenty of moral systems that would support this but, at least in the US, that type of behavior isn't typically condoned. It does remind me of the Louis CK bit about children and allergies. If we continue to perpetuate flawed genes and keeping people alive to reproductive ages some bad things could happen before we have the technology to undo them... then again maybe one of the bedridden will have the focus and drive due to their situation to come up with the next formula or breakthrough that propels the human race forward.