Do We Need a Control Group?

[Samsonite801]

so it doesn't come up in "What's New"

You can also just scroll on by, like you would with any other content you may find offensive or unworthy of your precious attention (that's what I do anyways)...

 

[Bob B]

The part you don't get is that it doesn't matter. I won't waste my time listening to anything he has to say without a good reason because his faculties are either compromised or his morals are.

Are you really so uninformed that you don't realize how much time and effort Kennedy has put in against covid vaccines, to think you could post a video by him in a covid thread and not have it be relevant?

I have started reading his new book .... it has thousands of footnote reference where he has actual information about the things he says .... his account of how Fauci has totally corrupted the CDC fits with things I can see with my own eyes.
Your dislike for him is an opinion ..... I doubt you can post anything where he has been PROVEN wrong in his assertions.

 

[Bob B]

The funny part was where I was formulating this response while you were claiming I don't read peoples posts.

Yet again, another insult and no substantive response to anything I've brought up. Reminds me of a few people.

If you didn't actually watch the video .... you are just expressing an opinion that has nothing to do with what I posted.
Did you ever read the FDA document I posted in the other thread?

 

[Samsonite801]

Just to up the ante one more step .... how should we define unvaccinated?

Also, not to forget, how do we define vaccinated? The vaccines developed for Covid-19 thus far are called 'leaky vaccines'. Don't provide immunity, just prevent symptomatic responses, so now vaccinated individuals who contract a variant of Covid-19, will not get symptoms, and thus, not even know they have it or could be carrying it, and can be out in the world mingling and sharing it with the world instead of staying home and trying to keep it to themselves as best as possible.

 

[Samsonite801]

I live on a hobby farm.. pigs, chickens, dogs, cats.., and a young child... we get plenty of exposure to bacteria. We aren't "clean freaks" by any measuring stick..

Exposure, like you say, is a good thing... until you're exposed to something your immune system can't fight.. Athletes foot, Legionella, Noro Virus,, and a host of other nasties.

Have you ever had Norovirus? Let me tell you, I've had it.. I think I'd rather have covid, then the flu, then covid again, then have any two finger cut off before I ever agreed to have Norovirus.

Being exposed to a simple dog in the house is enough exposure to keep your immune system strong.. Studies are clear on this.. Kids with dogs have lower rates of allergies, infections, and a bunch of other stuff.

They actually discovered that dairy farmers have a lower cancer risk than most other people. Something about the poopy particles they're constantly inhaling causing their immune systems to become hyper-strong.

Poultry and Livestock Exposure and Cancer Risk among Farmers in the Agricultural Health Study

The purpose of this study is to evaluate cancer risk associated with raising animals as commodities, which is associated with a variety of exposures, such as infectious agents and endotoxins.Information was available for 49,884 male farmers in the Agricultural ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

And it doesn't stop there.. Children on farms are healthier too.

Animal germs = good
People germs = bad.

Sleeping in my chicken coop, with the chickens, would be less risk than going to the gym or a hotel... My chicken coop is a little bigger than a California King sized bed if anyone is interested.. (LOL)

A little faith in the cosmos and the creation helps too

 

[MurphyGuy]

I have started reading his new book .... it has thousands of footnote reference where he has actual information about the things he says .... his account of how Fauci has totally corrupted the CDC fits with things I can see with my own eyes.
Your dislike for him is an opinion ..... I doubt you can post anything where he has been PROVEN wrong in his assertions.

If you didn't actually watch the video .... you are just expressing an opinion that has nothing to do with what I posted.
Did you ever read the FDA document I posted in the other thread?

You said you weren't going to respond to people who didn't watch the video...

LOL...

If you try to totally vilify Robert F Kennedy Jr before you have even had time to watch the video .... or immediately post a bunch of articles of what other people think about him and his new book .... I will simply ignore your comments.

Apparently, your statements are not credible.

 

[Samsonite801]

you slipped a decimal point there...

the actual mortality rate for under 65yr olds is 0.09%; so your estimate of probably death is off by 20x!

You need to keep in mind that mortality from such things, much like the regular flu, is HIGHLY dependent on your age and other underlying conditions. If you are 65+ with medical complications it would be a very good idea to get this therapy.
Also keep in mind that this is NOT the same as vaccines in the past which, well, actually gave immunity.
These are gene therapy shots (which is why the manufacturers ALL had to be given liability immunity so no matter what the side effects are, up to and including death, they are immune from legal action).
This is a NEW class of treatment so anyone taking it, at this time, do not know the long term effects of this "vaccine".
It is very hard to get "non-political" information today as covid has turned into a religion with many people.

fyi, the odds of dying from a car crash in your lifetime are just over 1%!!
(the odds are much higher for the "under 20 and over 75" age groups which is why they get those nasty insurance rates hehe)

In my opinion, one reason I think Covid-19 gives the illusion that it is worse than the common flu, is because it is much more transmissible, and thus burns through the population much faster than the flu can, so if you look at the death stats in 10 years for the flu, that might equal the death rates we see in 1 year with Covid-19. I would be interested to go into the future 10 years and look at the 10-year death stats for both common flu and Covid-19 side by side and see how they will compare, and check if my theory is somewhat on par.

 

[Bob B]

You said you weren't going to respond to people who didn't watch the video...

LOL...


Apparently, your statements are not credible.

You are just disappointed because you thought you were going to be able make a bunch of ridiculous assertions and not be challenged.

 

[Johnson]

Do you find that your doctor knows as much about your body, or even about Covid, as you do?

Hell yes, doctors spend years studying how bodies work. That does not mean they make mistakes, but I trust my doctor over fb and youtube. Any information I glean elsewhere about health would be from medical professionals.

In all fields I think many people are just technicians, or operators, who look at a dial and turn a screw according to instructions. Doctors no exception. A good doctor is of course good.

Huh?

It isn't clear to me that for children, especially teen males, that risk from Covid outweighs risk from vaccine.

Ok?

Perhaps the issue is what percentage of injections enter a vein. The procedure was deliberately dumbed down so all patients get equal treatment, rather than some receiving an injection performed according to best practices.

Really? doctors and nurses here are quite accommodating.

For the elderly with comorbidities, quite clear.

For all ages it is quite clear.

That would be the U.S. figure?

Not sure what you mean but google might help.

Wonder why it is the U.S. has > 10% of Covid deaths but 4% of population?

Not all countries have good reporting, some dishonest politicians are trying to hide the numbers.

Trump Administration To Hospitals: Don’t Send Covid-19 Coronavirus Data To CDC

Why is the White House bypassing the CDC? And what about the reports of using The National Guard to collect hospitalization data instead of the CDC?

www.forbes.com

Is that due to underreporting? Overreporting? Poor diet?
One of the "debunked" anti-vaxer claims is that the hospital & ICU deaths are caused by Remdesivir.
Their claim that it killed 54% of Ebola patients is of course bunk. If Ebola kills 90% without treatment but about 50% when treated with Remdesivir, it would seem the drug saved net lives. It could be the drug kills a percentage with certain organ issues, and should only be used when risk from the illness is much greater. Like all other evaluations, we need a control group. Probably there is better treatment for Covid patients than one-drug-fits-all.

No idea, I really don't spend much time listening to conspiracy theories. I have seen some here and quite honest, I can't tell the difference between Russian trolls and the people who repeat the conspiracy theories. It isn't hard to debunk the stories, just check with some reputable fact checker.

 

[Cdkipp]

In my opinion, one reason I think Covid-19 gives the illusion that it is worse than the common flu, is because it is much more transmissible, and thus burns through the population much faster than the flu can, so if you look at the death stats in 10 years for the flu, that might equal the death rates we see in 1 year with Covid-19. I would be interested to go into the future 10 years and look at the 10-year death stats for both common flu and Covid-19 side by side and see how they will compare, and check if my theory is somewhat on par.

So why don’t you go back 10 years on flu deaths and look for yourself.

 

[Cdkipp]

In my opinion, one reason I think Covid-19 gives the illusion that it is worse than the common flu, is because it is much more transmissible, and thus burns through the population much faster than the flu can, so if you look at the death stats in 10 years for the flu, that might equal the death rates we see in 1 year with Covid-19. I would be interested to go into the future 10 years and look at the 10-year death stats for both common flu and Covid-19 side by side and see how they will compare, and check if my theory is somewhat on par.

Virtually every epidemiologist in the world has studied Covid patterns and you think you picked up something they missed.

 

[Johnson]

you slipped a decimal point there...

the actual mortality rate for under 65yr olds is 0.09%; so your estimate of probably death is off by 20x!

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

You need to keep in mind that mortality from such things, much like the regular flu, is HIGHLY dependent on your age and other underlying conditions. If you are 65+ with medical complications it would be a very good idea to get this therapy.

It is a good idea for almost all to get the vaccine.

Also keep in mind that this is NOT the same as vaccines in the past which, well, actually gave immunity.

These vaccines are the best we have available.

These are gene therapy shots

Huh?

(which is why the manufacturers ALL had to be given liability immunity so no matter what the side effects are, up to and including death, they are immune from legal action).

In the US people sue for many reasons, not always in good faith.

This is a NEW class of treatment so anyone taking it, at this time, do not know the long term effects of this "vaccine".

How long is long term in your mind? These vaccines took a few weeks to make, and months to test. MRNA vaccines have been around for a decade.

It is very hard to get "non-political" information today as covid has turned into a religion with many people.

It is very easy, go to reputable sites and ignore the politicians.

fyi, the odds of dying from a car crash in your lifetime are just over 1%!!

I am not sure I understand the argument, are you suggesting that because people die anyway we shouldn't try to protect lives?

(the odds are much higher for the "under 20 and over 75" age groups which is why they get those nasty insurance rates hehe)

Not because they are dying, but because they are more likely to end up causing an accident.

 

[Samsonite801]

So why don’t you go back 10 years on flu deaths and look for yourself.

Because we don't have 10 years of Covid death rates on record yet, so this test can't be known until future 10 years, duh... (no pun intended, just being goofy)...

 

[Bob B]

Sadly .... it appears that this thread is going to turn into a recycled version of the same tired discussions from the other thread.
Congratulations to the professional disrupters for messing up another thread.

Thanks to those who were willing to consider a different take on things .... but I'm gonna request this thread be closed to further comment.
We don't need more re-hashing of the same things.

Anyone who wants to be exposed to some critical thinking backed up with facts ... please watch Kennedy's video I posted.

 

[Cdkipp]

Because we don't have 10 years of Covid death rates on record yet, so this test can't be known until future 10 years, duh... (no pun intended, just being goofy)...

extrapolate on the flu

 

[Samsonite801]

extrapolate on the flu

I guess we probably can't extrapolate on the flu or Covid-19, since they are both changing and mutating constantly. What are we even comparing what to? ...as they are both moving targets. I guess some people say 'Covid-19' is no more deadly than 'the flu', but really what is Covid and what is the flu? They are always evolving into something different as they mutate. I guess I was referring to the part in each of them that remains the same throughout time and mutation. Perhaps it's the fear that exists in both of them, I don't know, I'm not a scientist, just a common man hehe...

ex·trap·o·late
/ikˈstrapəˌlāt/

verb
extend the application of (a method or conclusion, especially one based on statistics) to an unknown situation by assuming that existing trends will continue or similar methods will be applicable.
"the results cannot be extrapolated to other patient groups"

 

[Johnson]

Thanks to those who were willing to consider a different take on things .... but I'm gonna request this thread be closed to further comment.
We don't need more re-hashing of the same things.

That might be a good idea.

Anyone who wants to be exposed to some critical thinking backed up with facts ... please watch Kennedy's video I posted.

If you want to persuade critical thinkers, you should not start the video with terminology like "a generated crisis", you present your finding in concise and neutral way and back your assertions with links to reputable sites.

The reason many don't see that it is (most likely) garbage is because they a predisposed to believe it is a generated crisis, without specifying who generated the crisis and why, or if the term crisis is warranted or not.

 

[Samsonite801]

Yeah, well I had been trying in the other thread to see if I could inspire some to read this article, and nobody seemed to want to read that one either...

The Snake-Oil Salesmen and the COVID-Zero Con: A Classic Bait-And-Switch for a Lifetime of Booster Shots (Immunity as a Service)

COVID-Zero policies were designed to deceive society into accepting never-ending booster shots. A game played by drug dealers to milk us like cows.

www.juliusruechel.com

After awhile, these discussions start to feel like when my brother and I get in arguments about religion. At some point since we realized we don't want to spend all our together-time arguing, we instead just decided to no longer talk about religion when we're together hehe... Now we tend to have a lot more fun just hanging out ?

 

[Cdkipp]

I guess we probably can't extrapolate on the flu or Covid-19, since they are both changing and mutating constantly. What are we even comparing what to? ...as they are both moving targets. I guess some people say 'Covid-19' is no more deadly than 'the flu', but really what is Covid and what is the flu? They are always evolving into something different as they mutate. I guess I was referring to the part in each of them that remains the same throughout time and mutation. Perhaps it's the fear that exists in both of them, I don't know, I'm not a scientist, just a common man hehe...

ex·trap·o·late
/ikˈstrapəˌlāt/

verb
extend the application of (a method or conclusion, especially one based on statistics) to an unknown situation by assuming that existing trends will continue or similar methods will be applicable.
"the results cannot be extrapolated to other patient groups"

What you are looking for is the Ro of influenza averaged and Covid. Ro is a number that correlates with the reproductive rate. Covid is thought to be around 3 but it varies depending on precautions. Delta has some estimates of an Ro of 6. Omicrons is not known but thought to be quite high. Some of our highest diseases are measles and polio. They have Ro's of around 12 or 13. Influenza has an Ro of 1.3.

The other numbers are cfr and ifr. Case fatality rate and infection fatality rate.

 

[Cdkipp]

Yeah, well I had been trying in the other thread to see if I could inspire some to read this article, and nobody seemed to want to read that one either...

The Snake-Oil Salesmen and the COVID-Zero Con: A Classic Bait-And-Switch for a Lifetime of Booster Shots (Immunity as a Service)

COVID-Zero policies were designed to deceive society into accepting never-ending booster shots. A game played by drug dealers to milk us like cows.

www.juliusruechel.com

After awhile, these discussions start to feel like when my brother and I get in arguments about religion. At some point since we realized we don't want to spend all our together-time arguing, we instead just decided to no longer talk about religion when we're together hehe... Now we tend to have a lot more fun together ?

I don't know why people don't want to read right-wing blogs for the basis of a reasonable scientific discussion. And people did comment on that..