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Smart that the alu busbar is plated.

Are these sagging? Never needed an extra .5 hand to install cover.
I have seen Homeline breaker panels that were probably 20+ years old with no issues. We (company I work for) have installed them for nearly 15 years with only one ever failing that I can remember, and that was because there was a "leak" where water ran into the basement through a crack where the porch concrete sat on the block wall at the house. The water literally ran right through the panel, causing the neutral bar to become severely corroded.

We have installed outdoor panels many times with no issues ever.

On the flip side, I have seen QO breakers fail because of the "stab clamp" (for lack of a better term) on the breaker itself becoming loose. In turn, that burns out the stab on the panel busbar, rendering it useless. It seems like the HOM "clamps" stay tight longer, possibly partly due to how the breaker is built. E.g. QO clamp "sticks out", while HOM clamp is "sandwiched" between the sides of the breaker. Also, the HOM breaker seems to me to actually have almost more surface contact than the QO....

Personally I have seen more issues with QO than I have with HOM and I have not worked with tons of QO. We use QO whenever we are working with 3 phase and/or 480V, or if a customer has existing QO panels that we are adding to.

Most electricians will think I'm off my rocker if they read my comments here, and see me vouching for HOM, but hey, I'm just sharing what I have seen.

At the end of the day these panels are both made by Square D and I feel they are both quality built panels!

Do you need 2.5 hands to install the cover on the Homeline? Do the breakers sag? This is per another comment in this thread. The Homeline I installed never required more than my 2.0 hands. Now the old Zinsco panel required 2 hands, a foot, and a pry bar. hahaha
 
Thanks for all the good discussion.
I ordered the 125A QO panel from Zoro yesterday.
I'll post some comparison photos to my 200A Homelines when it arrives.

Again I've had no issues with the Homeline but if there is something better I want it, I know I'll be pushing the new system.

Now my next decision is the Schneider surge suppression or stick with Midnite, I'll likely stick with Midnite.
 
Smart that the alu busbar is plated.

Are these sagging? Never needed an extra .5 hand to install cover.


Do you need 2.5 hands to install the cover on the Homeline? Do the breakers sag? This is per another comment in this thread. The Homeline I installed never required more than my 2.0 hands. Now the old Zinsco panel required 2 hands, a foot, and a pry bar. hahaha
I had no issues putting on the cover by myself. Breakers didn't sag which would have been obvious since I only have three in the panel currently.
 
Thanks for all the good discussion.
I ordered the 125A QO panel from Zoro yesterday.
I'll post some comparison photos to my 200A Homelines when it arrives.

Again I've had no issues with the Homeline but if there is something better I want it, I know I'll be pushing the new system.

Now my next decision is the Schneider surge suppression or stick with Midnite, I'll likely stick with Midnite.
Got my panel from Zoro as well. Didn't pay attention and it didn't come with a cover but I got one from local electric supply house.
 
Smart that the alu busbar is plated.

Are these sagging? Never needed an extra .5 hand to install cover.


Do you need 2.5 hands to install the cover on the Homeline? Do the breakers sag? This is per another comment in this thread. The Homeline I installed never required more than my 2.0 hands. Now the old Zinsco panel required 2 hands, a foot, and a pry bar. hahaha
I've only ever used 2 hands for my Homeline covers but I can see where an extra would be handy. Opening the door, lining up the cover, closing the door and pressing it in place with 1 hand while starting the screws with the other can be a pita; especially when you let the cover slide and knock the breaker loose in the live panel your working on causing the lights to go out...
 
I've only ever used 2 hands for my Homeline covers but I can see where an extra would be handy. Opening the door, lining up the cover, closing the door and pressing it in place with 1 hand while starting the screws with the other can be a pita; especially when you let the cover slide and knock the breaker loose in the live panel your working on causing the lights to go out...
Heh, I've had that struggle with just about any panel, regardless of brand, trying to get the darned thing lined up.
 
One nice thing about QO breakers is that you can get them with various features and accessories. It has a lot of versatile features.

Available in GFCI, AFCI, and combination of both? They got that.

Want two circuits per slot? They got tandems (panel has to be compatible):

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Want key operated? They got that:

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Need to isolate neutral on trip or off? They got that:

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Want a breaker lock out? Add the QO1PAF or QO2PAF:

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Want motorized remote control of the breaker? Buy the PL versions:

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Want shunt trip? They have that:

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You can do a lot of creative things with QO breakers.

Mike C.
 
Want shunt trip? They have that:

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I used one of those to dump the non-critical loads panel when my generator fired up. Then you could manually manage loads if you wanted to run the AC or do a load of laundry or whatever.
 
I used one of those to dump the non-critical loads panel when my generator fired up. Then you could manually manage loads if you wanted to run the AC or do a load of laundry or whatever.
So the shunt trip coil was powered by the generator?

How did you manually turn the breaker on? If the shunt coil was still powered, it would just trip right away. This implies you had a switch to disable the shunt trip coil when you wanted manual control.

Using a shut trip breaker does allow automatic load shed, which is clever.

Mike C.
 
I've only ever used 2 hands for my Homeline covers but I can see where an extra would be handy. Opening the door, lining up the cover, closing the door and pressing it in place with 1 hand while starting the screws with the other can be a pita; especially when you let the cover slide and knock the breaker loose in the live panel your working on causing the lights to go out...

You knocked a breaker off when simply putting a cover on. Umm... Take your time and be safe!!
 
Want two circuits per slot? They got tandems (panel has to be compatible):

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Only if the breaker is "Circuit Limiting", has a hook on the back. Then panel needs corresponding slot.

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The ones with spring clips like other breakers fit any QO panel.

You might run low on neutral or ground holes, so mount another (or larger) ground bar and tie in to existing bar with a wire.

They also have 20/30 & 30/20 tandems, which can be ganged to make 30A 2-pole & 20A 2-pole if you have several.
 
Do you need 2.5 hands to install the cover on the Homeline? Do the breakers sag? This is per another comment in this thread. The Homeline I installed never required more than my 2.0 hands. Now the old Zinsco panel required 2 hands, a foot, and a pry bar. hahaha
Nope, doesn't take more than 2.0 hands. Lol

That goes for both QO and Homeline! I would almost say the Homeline breakers are a hair less "saggy" than the QO ones, to be honest.
 
QO for me. Did a 100Amp sub panel in my shop. Breakers cost a bit more but I like how the plug on neutral works, keeps the panel nice and tidy. The Homeline breakers just felt cheap to me.
Plug on neutral is so nice! Homeline series has this as well! It cleans up a panel nicely with regular breakers even, and then if you use plug on neutral gfci and afci breakers, you don't have all the curly wires cluttering the gutter where you want to run the next wire down through!
 
Current install is homeline split panel bus with plug-on neutral ( my house ) which replace the zinsco that came with the home and the cost was half of QO from the box store. I have done extensive work with QO for commercial locations, great product and more compact but not on my dime.
 
There's nothing wrong with Homeline. It was brought to the market to give Square D a price competitor to the other residential panel manufacturers.
QO is a step above that level. QO stands for Quick Open. Because of its ability to open the circuit in as little as a single cycle. (1/60 of a second)
This plus the visual trip indicator, makes it preferable. If the price increase is acceptable. Not to mention the DC ratings.
All of this together makes it my choice for my system.
But I have nothing against the other manufacturers. I have installed them all.
 
I'll be a repeat Zoro customer, talk about fast shipping...
The case of the QO feels thicker than the Homeline; I just have to remember where I set my calipers down last to verify...
I didn't realize this one came with 2 ground bars, one with a large lug; nice.
 

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I'll be a repeat Zoro customer, talk about fast shipping...
The case of the QO feels thicker than the Homeline; I just have to remember where I set my calipers down last to verify...
I didn't realize this one came with 2 ground bars, one with a large lug; nice.
What the? You didn't get the 40 circuit panel? LOL......
 
10kW / 240V = 41.7A per inverter.
50A? Or larger? breaker
x2 = 100A or 120A of PV breakers on 125A panel.
Sum of breakers rule. And could add 25A (or 5A??) additional breaker.

What is main panel? 200A or 225A, with 100A or 125A PV breaker?
What main breaker, what rule?

I'm going around the panel, using a Load Side Tap, to avoid 120% or whatever rule.

Right now I'm dealing with defining system in SolarAPP+, I want "Load Side Tap" but it only offers "Line Side Tap" or various ways to backfeed breaker panels.
 
10kW / 240V = 41.7A per inverter.
50A? Or larger?
I ordered 2 60A.
breaker
x2 = 100A or 120A of PV breakers on 125A panel.
Sum of breakers rule. And could add 25A (or 5A??) additional breaker.
I know I'm breaking the rules but I'm a rebel at times.
What is main panel? 200A or 225A, with 100A or 125A PV breaker?
What main breaker, what rule?
It's a 200A main.
I'm going around the panel, using a Load Side Tap, to avoid 120% or whatever rule.

Right now I'm dealing with defining system in SolarAPP+, I want "Load Side Tap" but it only offers "Line Side Tap" or various ways to backfeed breaker panels.

I'm doing it this way so it's isolated from the grid and easy to pull down and relocate when I move. I can put the house back to original in an hour if needed.

The thought crossed my mind today to build the whole thing on strut and casters...
 

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