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Midnite Solar Announced their new 10kw AIO at Intersolar Today

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UpNorthMan said:
As a outsider looking in.
I want to read about what the OP posted!

Please keep all comments on track. If you want to talk about who has the biggest kahuna or have a b### fest. Start your own thread in the humor section.


Back to our normally scheduled program!
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Patience, grasshopper - The videos are forthcoming.

Any day now 😂
 
kscessnadriver said:
ITT: a bunch of people who want to claim that a vaporware product is better than products currently on the market. Looks like to me, from the outside looking in, that Midnite is good at one thing primarily, marketing to DIY types.
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Have you ever seen an Internet ad for a midnite product? I would say odds are thousands to one versus a signature solar/eg4 ad
 
cs1234 said:
If they do, they probably go to older looking forums that aren't as flashy. This forum looks too modern for people using Midnite equipment. ;)
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I hear they are real simple folk, dial up modems and text based newsgroups. Pictures are too bandwith intensive. ;)
 
1201 said:
So you would agree that midnite Rosie is also a "beta box" since there are features that have yet to be implemented.
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Well if I was planning on running a pair of them I'd probably hold off for a few months. But it's definitely a contender for my next inverter (I want to try and avoid Victron transformer hum). At $3300 it's cheaper than the Quattro 10k, I'd rather have a little lower power but split phase, versus the Quattro with 8kW of 120V. Wouldn't see it in VRM but that not a biggie for me.

I consider the eg4 18kPV as beta because it's destroyed a guys appliances because the designers/firmware writers didn't have robust enough error detection for parallel operation.

I have not seen anything so catastrophic in relation to the Rosie. I wouldn't hesitate to use one, without fear of disaster.
 
I really like Victrons equipment, but for the price it sure would be nice if they would get some more UL listings across the product line. Like the POWER IN bus bars are awesome, do they have a listing, can you even use them in a code compliant install on a building?
 
Brucey said:
Well if I was planning on running a pair of them I'd probably hold off for a few months. But it's definitely a contender for my next inverter (I want to try and avoid Victron transformer hum). At $3300 it's cheaper than the Quattro 10k, I'd rather have a little lower power but split phase, versus the Quattro with 8kW of 120V. Wouldn't see it in VRM but that not a biggie for me.

I consider the eg4 18kPV as beta because it's destroyed a guys appliances because the designers/firmware writers didn't have robust enough error detection for parallel operation.

I have not seen anything so catastrophic in relation to the Rosie. I wouldn't hesitate to use one, without fear of disaster.
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That's not a fair comparison.

The fair comparison would be two victron 48 5000s at 8kw combined vs 1 Rosie at 7kw. Victron $3400, Rosie $3300. So for $100 more you get 1kw more of capacity and the vastly superior victron software
 
1201 said:
That's not a fair comparison.

The fair comparison would be two victron 48 5000s at 8kw combined vs 1 Rosie at 7kw. Victron $3400, Rosie $3300. So for $100 more you get 1kw more of capacity and the vastly superior victron software
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Nobody from Victron itself will ever talk to you here on the forums though. Whereas Midnite will occasionally appear like the ancient gods of old to say something.
 
cs1234 said:
Nobody from Victron itself will ever talk to you here on the forums though. Whereas Midnite will occasionally appear like the ancient gods of old to say something.
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I'll take victron vrm over the gods of old, thanks 😂

I see victron devs posting on the vrm community all the time though so maybe they just choose to not come here
 
1201 said:
That's not a fair comparison.

The fair comparison would be two victron 48 5000s at 8kw combined vs 1 Rosie at 7kw. Victron $3400, Rosie $3300. So for $100 more you get 1kw more of capacity and the vastly superior victron software
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The magic is in VRM imo. Though a Quattro/multiplus will give you access to dynamic ESS and assistants. Also depending on how picky my local zoning is they may reject the Victron option as they don't have UL listing, whereas the Rosie should be fine.
 
Brucey said:
I hear they are real simple folk, dial up modems and text based newsgroups. Pictures are too bandwith intensive. ;)
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I think you may have found the reason why this takes so long for the release.

It's a bunch of old people working there and they don't move too fast anymore. Takes half a day to walk from one side of the office to the other. :ROFLMAO:
 
NC_hydro said:
Heck no, not even in the same league as anything EG4. I'd pick a Rosie any day over EG4.
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Maybe , but the classic could have been deemed as beta too .
There were quite a few bugs with the firmware initially……….. but didn’t really feel like beta testing.
I recalled having to get on the phone with tech support at least one time.
 
1201 said:
That's not a fair comparison.

The fair comparison would be two victron 48 5000s at 8kw combined vs 1 Rosie at 7kw. Victron $3400, Rosie $3300. So for $100 more you get 1kw more of capacity and the vastly superior victron software
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Victron 48 5000s are not UL listed last I checked, and Rosie’s can mind meld with fully UL compliant MPPTs.

Victron MPPTs haven’t kept up in that department.

With a 9540v3 DC ESS like that new one released at the beginning of the month you can have a fully code compliant MidNite install in all off grid conditions. With victron you would only be able to do that with a ground mount to bypass the missing AFCI capability
 
zanydroid said:
Victron 48 5000s are not UL listed last I checked, and Rosie’s can mind meld with fully UL compliant MPPTs.

Victron MPPTs haven’t kept up in that department.

With a 9540v3 DC ESS like that new one released at the beginning of the month you can have a fully code compliant MidNite install in all off grid conditions. With victron you would only be able to do that with a ground mount to bypass the missing AFCI capability
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They have the following certifications:
EN-IEC 60335-1, EN-IEC 60335-2-29, CSA 22.2 107.1-16

EN-IEC 60335-1 on UL.com
EN-IEC 60335-2-29 is also a UL standard

CSA 22.2 107.1-16 (Canadian Standards)

While Victron equipment doesn't have a specific UL listing, it is international compliant, which is as good as a UL listing, given that UL covers EN-IEC-60335 on their website. Many countries have stricter electrical requirements than the US.
 
ShirBlackspots said:
They have the following certifications:
EN-IEC 60335-1, EN-IEC 60335-2-29, CSA 22.2 107.1-16

EN-IEC 60335-1 on UL.com
EN-IEC 60335-2-29 is also a UL standard

CSA 22.2 107.1-16 (Canadian Standards)

While Victron equipment doesn't have a specific UL listing, it is international compliant, which is as good as a UL listing, given that UL covers EN-IEC-60335 on their website. Many countries have stricter electrical requirements than the US.
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I'll be sure to mention that to the AHJ inspector. I don't doubt the quality of Victron equipment. But it's a pay to play system in America.. and they need to pay for us to play.
 
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