42OhmsPA
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That's a good question.
I'm sure @HighTechLab will have some good surge tests done if he hasn't already.
Midnite Solar Announced their new 10kw AIO at Intersolar Today
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I'm sure @HighTechLab will have some good surge tests done if he hasn't already.
Dave911
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So mentioning the 'much' lower price of some other cheaper Chinese AIO's is not causing Midnite to consider lowing their price??
I was hoping.....
Its not that I don't like the Midnite "The One" product a lot. The box is really really nice as I pointed out. Probably an overkill for many.
Its just way too much $$. A 2x premium over another device that "just works" is pretty much all you can ask for, IMO.
That would put the new Midnite at roughly $3000, or slightly less as the prices fall.
For me, at 5K, its not happening.
For that reason, I'll get off this thread.
Hedges
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I think $5k for a capable 10kW AIO is not bad at all.
$5k is a 5kW Sunny Island (not counting the liquidations I've enjoyed), and its performance is the benchmark. Match the performance, at 2x the wattage, with MPPT included, for same price, and you've got a real winner.
An off-brand Chinese product for 1/3 the price of a name brand product made in China means nothing at all, unless it approaches the quality and performance.
I never bought a GoPro for $250. I did buy a Chinese dash cam for $25. Worked at first, later just recorded noise instead of image.
What is the track record of these other brand AIO?
I don't know yet what quality difference comes with a Midnight branded Chinese made inverter. Has the DIY line differentiated itself (the way SolArk has)?
$5k is a 5kW Sunny Island (not counting the liquidations I've enjoyed), and its performance is the benchmark. Match the performance, at 2x the wattage, with MPPT included, for same price, and you've got a real winner.
An off-brand Chinese product for 1/3 the price of a name brand product made in China means nothing at all, unless it approaches the quality and performance.
I never bought a GoPro for $250. I did buy a Chinese dash cam for $25. Worked at first, later just recorded noise instead of image.
What is the track record of these other brand AIO?
I don't know yet what quality difference comes with a Midnight branded Chinese made inverter. Has the DIY line differentiated itself (the way SolArk has)?
Price and quality are only loosely related. Spending more doesn't assure you get more.
The Midnite unit has the perfection of not yet existing. Something as complex as this won't be perfect on first release.
In the "10KW AIO class", I've looked at the following with the best prices I can find:
Sol-Ark 15K: $7000
Midnite MN15-12KW-AIO: ~$5000? (not out yet)
EG4 18KPV: $4900
Growatt SPH 10000TL-HU-US: ~$2500? (not out yet)
Sungold SG10KHB-48: $2400 (Amensolar relabel?)
Amensolar N3H-X10-US: $2200
All of the above do 10KW AC or better, have 3 MPPTs or better, IP65 rated, US certs, and split phase output. The cheaper units put a lot of price pressure on the market segment. Have I left anybody out?
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Consider some of the companies you mention have not even existed as long as their warranties. Midnite has decades of history, do you hear about them giving customers the run around? I certainly haven’t…and that’s worth something to me.
Partimewages
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But spending less assures you get less. There are some bargains around but quality equipment takes money.
Hedges
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The midnight unit is out, at least in the sense of some people in the US having operated it.
By the time Midnight sells something, they will have wrung it out and been happy with it, which means you will be too.
Lifespan/reliability is a bit harder to pin down.
By the time Midnight sells something, they will have wrung it out and been happy with it, which means you will be too.
Lifespan/reliability is a bit harder to pin down.
42OhmsPA
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Haven't yet, I took the unit apart completely on video yesterday, figure I need to wait about a week of having it scattered all across the bench to see just how good the internal labeling is, THEN power it on. If it still works, then I'll deem it user-servicable.
42OhmsPA
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I like your thought process and methods.
Just don't let it get like one my benches where the parts get blended together into one big what the heck was I working on project...
I'd imagine you've taken apart / tried to take apart many other brands. How would you rate the Midnite vs the others, possibly blue in color?
Did you happen to notice the brand of capacitors used?
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Horsefly
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If it were me, I'd have to shrug and ignore the extra couple of parts I had laying there after I had put it all back together. (Speaking from experience)
Zwy
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If you get that dang video done we wouldn't be bored and end up derailing the thread.
Sorry about the derail, back to regular programming.
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834 posts about a product that isn't even available, yet.
How much more can we say about it? lol
How much more can we say about it? lol
I’m not sure that it’s reasonable to jump to that conclusion. Multiple points of mitigation are welcome.
Midnite has a number of amateur radio license holders on their engineering staff and I suspect they are more attentive to RFI suppression issues.
kscessnadriver
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Easy to throw stones when you're a retailer. Especially when you don't carry stuff of the companies your throwing shade to. Is it because of their warranty, or because your margin isn't high enough on them...
Mahendra Gomanie
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42OhmsPA
What's in a title?
Altostratus cloud white?I don’t feel there’s been adequate debate about the chosen color scheme.
Looks a lot better than blue.
Giving customers the run around? We know that doesn't happen! LOL ..
But I have replaced two inverters when it has occured.
I would go with Midnite before even thinking about an inverter that hasn't been out for 3 to 4 years with a good track record.
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