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Signature Solar Review

PaulLad

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I placed an order for solar panels, battery and charger (chargeverter) on Jan. 7. I was told the chargeverter would be in stock middle of the month. Got the solar panels in a week. I was also told they were moving warehouses so it would be about a week before the battery would ship. Here it is Jan. 29 and no chargeverter, no battery and no contact from them to let me know what's going on. They also charged my credit card for the entire order Jan. 7. I also had some issues with the order which they straightened out right away. The thing that bothers me most isn't so much that I haven't received the items but that they didn't contact me to let me know the order would be delayed and when I should expect it. Oh and charging my card for the full order, not cool either.
 
Everyone is having issues getting chargeverters. See this related thread:


I also can't help but notice this is your second time writing on this subforum about issues with the same order. May I suggest using the previous thread you started instead?

 
I placed an order for solar panels, battery and charger (chargeverter) on Jan. 7. I was told the chargeverter would be in stock middle of the month. Got the solar panels in a week. I was also told they were moving warehouses so it would be about a week before the battery would ship. Here it is Jan. 29 and no chargeverter, no battery and no contact from them to let me know what's going on. They also charged my credit card for the entire order Jan. 7. I also had some issues with the order which they straightened out right away. The thing that bothers me most isn't so much that I haven't received the items but that they didn't contact me to let me know the order would be delayed and when I should expect it. Oh and charging my card for the full order, not cool either.
I suggest your expectations are not fully in line. If you’re dealing with the likes of Amazon, I totally agree with you. Others like Home Depot are more like what you experienced with SS. Only difference is that as best I can tell from my CC postings, HD only charges after transferring to a carrier.
Example two weeks ago ordered an in stock item from HD with expected delivery five days ago. Just got an email that it was shipped and delivery is Feb 10.
You’re not even dealing with a Home Depot, let alone an Amazon. Gotta be realistic IMO.
 
I suggest your expectations are not fully in line. If you’re dealing with the likes of Amazon, I totally agree with you. Others like Home Depot are more like what you experienced with SS. Only difference is that as best I can tell from my CC postings, HD only charges after transferring to a carrier.
Example two weeks ago ordered an in stock item from HD with expected delivery five days ago. Just got an email that it was shipped and delivery is Feb 10.
You’re not even dealing with a Home Depot, let alone an Amazon. Gotta be realistic IMO.
So you think that expecting a vendor to let you know that your order is going to be late is expecting too much and not realistic?
 
So you think that expecting a vendor to let you know that your order is going to be late is expecting too much and not realistic?
Home Depot doesn’t- just for example. They’re a distributor just like SS. Do I “like” not being informed? Of course not, but it’s pretty common practice.
 
I placed an order for solar panels, battery and charger (chargeverter) on Jan. 7. I was told the chargeverter would be in stock middle of the month. Got the solar panels in a week. I was also told they were moving warehouses so it would be about a week before the battery would ship. Here it is Jan. 29 and no chargeverter, no battery and no contact from them to let me know what's going on. They also charged my credit card for the entire order Jan. 7. I also had some issues with the order which they straightened out right away. The thing that bothers me most isn't so much that I haven't received the items but that they didn't contact me to let me know the order would be delayed and when I should expect it. Oh and charging my card for the full order, not cool either.
Hey Paul! I'm so sorry for the frustration. We completely understand and are doing all we can to keep you and the rest of our customers updated on this. I'm not sure if we have been in contact before but if you'd like to reach out to me at engagement@signaturesolar.com, I can get you an update on your specific order!
 
Bottom line, Signature Solar will get you into solar production in a very cost-effective way. Online Engagement Specialist is to Refuse Reconciliation Specialist as PR Damage Control is to Trash Collector. Lower your expectations if you can't shop in-person or deal with someone with a well-established, positive reputation with the Better Business Bureau. Visit in person and the worst you'll encounter is having to wait for a commercial pickup or delivery before they'll load you. Other than that, in person shoppers are treated like they'd want to be treated.
 
Bottom line, Signature Solar will get you into solar production in a very cost-effective way. Online Engagement Specialist is to Refuse Reconciliation Specialist as PR Damage Control is to Trash Collector. Lower your expectations if you can't shop in-person or deal with someone with a well-established, positive reputation with the Better Business Bureau. Visit in person and the worst you'll encounter is having to wait for a commercial pickup or delivery before they'll load you. Other than that, in person shoppers are treated like they'd want to be treated.
We appreciate the feedback, Xepshunall. If there is ever anything we can do to ensure you are comfortable with your purchase, please don't hesitate to reach out to me directly at engagement@signaturesolar.com and we will ensure you are taken care of!
 
I made a mistake trusting them... Being new to the solar thang I had questions on the kit purchased from SS. But i thought, they know what they're doing more than I. Part of the kit was a 250/100 mppt charge unit from Victron.. The rest of the kit was 12 panels. 12 panels puts out way more than a 250 can handle.. Again I told myself to trust them.... Then I turned it on ..... Long story short, I called them to get the charge controller rehab'd, replaced, fixed, warrantied, and a better explanation on what I purchased... I learned the hard way on their customer service after the sale. DON'T use SIG SOL..
 
I made a mistake trusting them... Being new to the solar thang I had questions on the kit purchased from SS. But i thought, they know what they're doing more than I. Part of the kit was a 250/100 mppt charge unit from Victron.. The rest of the kit was 12 panels. 12 panels puts out way more than a 250 can handle.. Again I told myself to trust them.... Then I turned it on ..... Long story short, I called them to get the charge controller rehab'd, replaced, fixed, warrantied, and a better explanation on what I purchased... I learned the hard way on their customer service after the sale. DON'T use SIG SOL..
Did they include instructions that you would need to have multiple strings in parallel to stay below the 250V limit?
 
Did they include instructions that you would need to have multiple strings in parallel to stay below the 250V limit?
This kit:


Includes two branch adapters, to parallel the two strings of six panels. But there should be instructions surely.
 
Did they include instructions that you would need to have multiple strings in parallel to stay below the 250V limit?
There were no instructions... When I called them to request a wire diagram, they said " we're not allowed ". When I asked about fixing the charger (sending it to be repaired), they said " we don't do that". 12 panels adds up to 444 V. Not the 250 the charger sent was for for.. When I figured it out the hard way, I was less than pleased.. When they wouldn't help fix it, I realized I have been rooked. Stay Away from Sig Sol.. I want revenge.
 
There were no instructions... When I called them to request a wire diagram, they said " we're not allowed ". When I asked about fixing the charger (sending it to be repaired), they said " we don't do that". 12 panels adds up to 444 V. Not the 250 the charger sent was for for.. When I figured it out the hard way, I was less than pleased.. When they wouldn't help fix it, I realized I have been rooked. Stay Away from Sig Sol.. I want revenge.
I also have a communication hub that simply does not cooperate.. All it says is " offline and standby". Certainly won't ask SS for any more of their prowess..
 
This kit:


Includes two branch adapters, to parallel the two strings of six panels. But there should be instructions surely.
Branch adapters,,, no such thing came in my kit..
 
So after 5 mos. I still don't have a charger. The first chargeverter I got was defective. it took 3 mos to get another one and it is defective as well. On top of it, after I built my system around the 48V chargeverter and a 5k LIFEPO battery based on their recommendation, they tell me that I can only charge at 50 amps (if I ever get a working Chargeverter). This doubles the cost to charge my batt. I have a 6500 watt genny. At 100 amps my batt would charge in an hour. At 50, it will take 2 hrs. It has been so frustrating working with this co.
 
So after 5 mos. I still don't have a charger. The first chargeverter I got was defective. it took 3 mos to get another one and it is defective as well. On top of it, after I built my system around the 48V chargeverter and a 5k LIFEPO battery based on their recommendation, they tell me that I can only charge at 50 amps (if I ever get a working Chargeverter). This doubles the cost to charge my batt. I have a 6500 watt genny. At 100 amps my batt would charge in an hour. At 50, it will take 2 hrs. It has been so frustrating working with this co.
Is this one of the new chargeverters that isn’t working? I’m so sorry that these were on back order! They are in stock now, so if we need to replace it, we can! If you’d like to email me again, I can take another look at your account and get this sorted out!

Engagement@signaturesolar.com
 
So after 5 mos. I still don't have a charger. The first chargeverter I got was defective. it took 3 mos to get another one and it is defective as well. On top of it, after I built my system around the 48V chargeverter and a 5k LIFEPO battery based on their recommendation, they tell me that I can only charge at 50 amps (if I ever get a working Chargeverter). This doubles the cost to charge my batt. I have a 6500 watt genny. At 100 amps my batt would charge in an hour. At 50, it will take 2 hrs. It has been so frustrating working with this co.
There's a reason you buy stuff with a credit card. God knows I can't wait for 5 months to enjoy what I purchased with my hard earned money.
 
Regarding these problems with support, obtaining simple diagrams, instructions, etc. I'm pretty sure Will Prowse offers services like this. If he doesn't, I do. Using distributors like Signature Solar is dandy if you know what to buy and how to wire it up when (and if?) it arrives. The DIY community seemed to lack an independent, readily available source for information about this type of equipment, which is why I started my little consultancy, and I'm pretty sure it's a major driver for what Mr. Prowse is doing as well, and more power to him and to all of you.
With the off-grid market in such turmoil after AEE closing and Alt-E's woes, Midnite in consolidation (and lord knows what Outback's doing), these distributors offering little support will become more common sources for this type of gear. When in doubt, ask someone who knows. I've seen enough burned out charge controllers for one lifetime.
 
Regarding these problems with support, obtaining simple diagrams, instructions, etc. I'm pretty sure Will Prowse offers services like this. If he doesn't, I do. Using distributors like Signature Solar is dandy if you know what to buy and how to wire it up when (and if?) it arrives. The DIY community seemed to lack an independent, readily available source for information about this type of equipment, which is why I started my little consultancy, and I'm pretty sure it's a major driver for what Mr. Prowse is doing as well, and more power to him and to all of you.
With the off-grid market in such turmoil after AEE closing and Alt-E's woes, Midnite in consolidation (and lord knows what Outback's doing), these distributors offering little support will become more common sources for this type of gear. When in doubt, ask someone who knows. I've seen enough burned out charge controllers for one lifetime.
It'll be great to have your input on the forum! So many questions are asked here, and your expertise will be so valuable! Welcome!
 
I made a mistake trusting them... Being new to the solar thang I had questions on the kit purchased from SS. But i thought, they know what they're doing more than I. Part of the kit was a 250/100 mppt charge unit from Victron.. The rest of the kit was 12 panels. 12 panels puts out way more than a 250 can handle.. Again I told myself to trust them.... Then I turned it on ..... Long story short, I called them to get the charge controller rehab'd, replaced, fixed, warrantied, and a better explanation on what I purchased... I learned the hard way on their customer service after the sale. DON'T use SIG SOL..
I'm unsure how you believe that your ignorance of proper panel string configuration translates to Signature Solar being a bad vendor?

If you bought a transmission rebuild kit for your Tacoma from Toyota and it didn't work after you installed it, would you expect Toyota to take the blame? Toyota doesn't include installation instructions with the rebuild kit - they assume if you order it you know how to install it or you will be taking it to a professional for installation.

Sizing panel strings is among the most simple of tasks completed when building a system. I bet there are over 200 threads on this forum alone regarding proper string sizing / layout. If researching this is beyond your ability then you should have hired someone to assemble the system for you. You bought Victron gear - very good quality stuff. Victron also has a TON of useful information regarding that gear on their web site - free to anyone who wants to download it. Have a look at this link: MPPT 250/100 Manual Go to section 4.3 - PV Array. There are diagrams of panel string configurations, as well as a litany of instructions, warnings, etc.

I clicked the link above to the kit you purchased. There is a tab labeled "Kit Contents". In the list of included parts for the kit there is this:

2 x Staubli MC4 Branch Plug and Socket
Branch Plug MC4 PV-AZS4 and PV-AZB4 connectors use for connecting simple parallel or serial parallel connection of PV-modules. MC4s are often viewed as the standard connector in the solar energy industry.

The fact these are included in the kit should have been an indicator that panel layout was not intended to be a series-connection only configuration. You said you didn't receive them, which points to the next issue...

When you buy a bunch of stuff from any vendor, the very 1st thing you do upon delivery is verify the packaging is intact and undamaged, so you can refuse the shipment if the carrier obviously damaged anything. The 2nd thing you should do is verify the parts listed on the packing invoice match what was delivered. The 3rd thing is to verify what was delivered matches what you ordered. Had you done that you would have realized they didn't ship the branch plugs. That discovery would likely have resulted in a conversation with Signature Solar, which may have turned into a discussion on why you needed them, etc. etc. etc.

As far as Signature Solar not "warranty replacing" the 250/100 - why would they? Victron states in the installation guide that over-voltage will damage the MPPT and is not covered by warranty. I get that the 250/100 is a very expensive unit so the lesson you learned is a tough one but - you blew it up. The only blame in that happening rests with you.

I have no dog in this fight. I've never purchased from Signature Solar so I cannot speak to their quality as a vendor. The fact you are here on this forum demonstrates you realize there's a lot going on with any of this stuff. I am certainly not criticizing you for your lack of knowledge - we all started at zero. However, I am criticizing you trying to place blame on anyone but yourself.

Flame suit on !!!!
 
I'm unsure how you believe that your ignorance of proper panel string configuration translates to Signature Solar being a bad vendor?

If you bought a transmission rebuild kit for your Tacoma from Toyota and it didn't work after you installed it, would you expect Toyota to take the blame? Toyota doesn't include installation instructions with the rebuild kit - they assume if you order it you know how to install it or you will be taking it to a professional for installation.

Sizing panel strings is among the most simple of tasks completed when building a system. I bet there are over 200 threads on this forum alone regarding proper string sizing / layout. If researching this is beyond your ability then you should have hired someone to assemble the system for you. You bought Victron gear - very good quality stuff. Victron also has a TON of useful information regarding that gear on their web site - free to anyone who wants to download it. Have a look at this link: MPPT 250/100 Manual Go to section 4.3 - PV Array. There are diagrams of panel string configurations, as well as a litany of instructions, warnings, etc.

I clicked the link above to the kit you purchased. There is a tab labeled "Kit Contents". In the list of included parts for the kit there is this:

2 x Staubli MC4 Branch Plug and Socket
Branch Plug MC4 PV-AZS4 and PV-AZB4 connectors use for connecting simple parallel or serial parallel connection of PV-modules. MC4s are often viewed as the standard connector in the solar energy industry.

The fact these are included in the kit should have been an indicator that panel layout was not intended to be a series-connection only configuration. You said you didn't receive them, which points to the next issue...

When you buy a bunch of stuff from any vendor, the very 1st thing you do upon delivery is verify the packaging is intact and undamaged, so you can refuse the shipment if the carrier obviously damaged anything. The 2nd thing you should do is verify the parts listed on the packing invoice match what was delivered. The 3rd thing is to verify what was delivered matches what you ordered. Had you done that you would have realized they didn't ship the branch plugs. That discovery would likely have resulted in a conversation with Signature Solar, which may have turned into a discussion on why you needed them, etc. etc. etc.

As far as Signature Solar not "warranty replacing" the 250/100 - why would they? Victron states in the installation guide that over-voltage will damage the MPPT and is not covered by warranty. I get that the 250/100 is a very expensive unit so the lesson you learned is a tough one but - you blew it up. The only blame in that happening rests with you.

I have no dog in this fight. I've never purchased from Signature Solar so I cannot speak to their quality as a vendor. The fact you are here on this forum demonstrates you realize there's a lot going on with any of this stuff. I am certainly not criticizing you for your lack of knowledge - we all started at zero. However, I am criticizing you trying to place blame on anyone but yourself.

Flame suit on !!!!
In his defense he mentioned that he didn't receive the branch plugs with his kit:

Post in thread 'Signature Solar Review' https://diysolarforum.com/threads/signature-solar-review.77688/post-1077460

I would expect some kind of instruction manual to come with skus like this that are advertised as a complete kit with nothing else to buy. It's not like he threw a bunch of random stuff in his cart and then broke something.
 
In his defense he mentioned that he didn't receive the branch plugs with his kit:

Post in thread 'Signature Solar Review' https://diysolarforum.com/threads/signature-solar-review.77688/post-1077460

And in my defense I acknowledged he said he didn't receive them.

I clicked the link above to the kit you purchased. There is a tab labeled "Kit Contents". In the list of included parts for the kit there is this:

2 x Staubli MC4 Branch Plug and Socket
Branch Plug MC4 PV-AZS4 and PV-AZB4 connectors use for connecting simple parallel or serial parallel connection of PV-modules. MC4s are often viewed as the standard connector in the solar energy industry.

The fact these are included in the kit should have been an indicator that panel layout was not intended to be a series-connection only configuration. You said you didn't receive them, which points to the next issue...


I would expect some kind of instruction manual to come with skus like this that are advertised as a complete kit with nothing else to buy. It's not like he threw a bunch of random stuff in his cart and then broke something.

We can agree to disagree. A "kit" of parts does not equate to providing an installation manual. Nowhere in the Signature Solar description does it say "DIY". They even have a link to their "Installer Program" right on the main page. Prominently displayed on every page is this: "Have A Question? Talk To An Expert! Call: 903-441-2090". If he had called them before he installed his system to report he didn't receive the branch connectors, we likely wouldn't be reading and writing about this.

Finally, if they supplied an instruction manual how do they account for code variance across this big ole country of ours? Where does the liability end for them if they are supplying wiring diagrams?

I will admit I am confused by their selection of kit solar components. Two 6 panel arrays = 222.42 VDC per series string if I read the correct panel spec sheet. I use 18% as the temperature correction factor for where I live so those 6 panels in series would violate the 250 volt input limit of the Victron MPPT by a little more than 12 volts.

Maybe he lives in the Florida Keys and will never see single digit temps ??? :)
 
we all started at zero
Yes and no everyone should do there research and inform themselves before going into any project especially one fraught with dangers.

I've been playing with small solar projects for years but even as a former electrician, I spent weeks understanding my simple AC system before fitting the whole thing in maybe an hour or two.
I know a new toy can be exciting and most men can be arrogant and think it's easy, but how many flat pack furniture sets do you need to try to put together before realising you need to read the instructions (yes I know they come with it and not in this case).
Wether your painting a room or fitting a 60kw solar array you should ALWAYS spend more time on prep than the actual job and with electricity the prep work is research.
 

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