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Lcsodiver

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Hi everyone first post. I’m building a backup system for running my emergency communications gear (easy as it’s 12 volts) and also to power our well pump (more complicated as it’s 220) We are on grid most of the time but when we do lose power a few times a year it can be a while before it is restored.

So I got bit off of eBay by qychex. They had 200ah lifepo4 supposed new grade A cells for $850 shipped (I realize now that is way to much money for 200ah). But when they arrived three of the cells had the manufacturer codes scraped off and the tops recovered with a black sticker. The fourth cell was still labeled from a manufacturer but was a different cell as the blue wrap was a different color and the terminals were a different design. They tried to tell me that some of the manufacturers dont let them sell their new cells with the factory labels on them. And they wanted me to test the cells before returning them. I did and the miss matched cell drained faster than the other three after multiple attempts to balance all the cells out. They wanted to ship me three “new” cells when their “next batch” came in. I told them no. They have agreed to refund me and pay for the return shipping costs. So we will see, I shipped them back yesterday I’m hoping I don’t have to open a dispute with PayPal. But there is that option as well.

Anyway long story but I’m going to see about putting in a order for the 280ah cells that many of you guys have been ordering. This will be better in the long run anyway for powering my inverter.

So far I have 500w of solar on a 150/35a victron mppt, I have another 2kw of solar waiting to go up. I need to get another mppt for those. I’m looking to order a victron 150/100a. I’ve also got a victron 25a charger coming for shore power and a renogy 40a dc to dc charger so I can charge off of a alternator/small engine generator (with a agm battery on the alternator side for regulation). And I’ve got a 8kw split phase inverter to run the well pump (startup draws about 4kw and running is 2.3kw) I’m planing on switching the inverter on and off from the bms but running the main power straight from the batteries to the inverter. The inverter also has low voltage cutoff that is adjustable as a backup.

Did I miss anything? Lol

Also does anyone have a good way to link in a wind generator? Most of the charge controllers for them have the dump loads paralleled in with the batteries at full charge and this seems like it would cause problems with the bms and solar controllers. I was thinking I could charge the agm that I’m using for the 12v generator and let the renogy dc to dc send it to the bms. We have a month in the dead of winter where we get no direct sunlight. So I know I’m not going to get a lot of generation from the panels. But we get decent wind.


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Hello. When you mentioned your ebay battery problems I had to chuckle, sorry. Ebay is quite notorious for batteries in that regard. I learned that lesson too, but luckily it was only over a few dozen 18650s. Getting questionable batteries there should be like a right of passage or something like that. Not to bash ebay, I practically get everything there. Except of course the TP that mysteriously never showed up lol.

I don't have any good gouge on your wind situation. Your temp. pumping strategy sounds pretty cool though. When you lose mains power to my mind running pumps is gonna be something to do manually so you don't inadvertently burn through the entire storage supply over something stupid (or not so stupid like a frozen/busted pipe).
 
Most of the charge controllers for them have the dump loads paralleled in with the batteries at full charge and this seems like it would cause problems with the bms and solar controllers.
I am not sure what you mean by "dump loads paralleled in with the batteries at full charge".
The concept is that wind/hydro generators NEED to have the energy they produce "used" to keep from self destructing. A dump load can be used purposely (like charging water or heating a room) or can be simply dissipated (wasted). Is this what you call paralleled?

An SCC that handles dump/diversion loads will simply stop sending charge current to the batteries when they are full. I am not sure why you suspect this would cause problems with the BMS (and solar controllers??? - huh?).
 
I don't have any good gouge on your wind situation. Your temp. pumping strategy sounds pretty cool though. When you lose mains power to my mind running pumps is gonna be something to do manually so you don't inadvertently burn through the entire storage supply over something stupid (or not so stupid like a frozen/busted pipe).

It’s going to be a manual changeover of power. I have a 250 gallon holding tank in the basement. That tank can pressurize the house with a 12v RV water pump. So I’d only be running the well mid morning to refill the tank usage, then letting the solar charge the batteries back up the rest of the day for overnight usage of some basic lights and radios.

My buddy just got one of the thermoelectric 100w generators that go inside your wood stove pipe. They look cool for wintertime usage. Granted 100w isn’t a lot but when it’s almost continuous here in the winter that can offset quite a bit.

I’ll post more of my system as the rest of the stuff comes in and I get things built.
 
I am not sure what you mean by "dump loads paralleled in with the batteries at full charge".
The concept is that wind/hydro generators NEED to have the energy they produce "used" to keep from self destructing. A dump load can be used purposely (like charging water or heating a room) or can be simply dissipated (wasted). Is this what you call paralleled?

An SCC that handles dump/diversion loads will simply stop sending charge current to the batteries when they are full. I am not sure why you suspect this would cause problems with the BMS (and solar controllers??? - huh?).

my understanding was that at least some of the wind controllers put the dump loads on as a load on the batteries when the batteries are full rather than disconnecting from the batteries and diverting to a dump load. Perhaps I was mistaken. I’ve only played with tiny wind generators under 100w. So I’m trying to figure those out as we do get wind here that’s 7-10 mph constant for hours to days at a time. And we happen to be on a hill that already puts us 30+ feet above the surrounding area. That should help me get it up into clean air.
 
It wouldn’t in that last case as the dump load is isolated from the batteries and other loads. But in the first two it just puts the dump loads paralleled with the other loads running off of the batteries. So the solar charge controllers and the batteries would be running to the dump loads too. This seems like a bad idea as you’d burn up the dump load from the power from the batteries and solar controllers.
 
It looks like I was just finding bad diagrams and information on how they go together.
 
But in the first two it just puts the dump loads paralleled with the other loads running off of the batteries.
There are a number of serious flaws in both of those two schematics. Neither have any kind of charge controller. Assuming that a windmill will produce a good charge voltage is quite a stretch. And yea, pulling a dump off a battery, while being charged, to keep in from being overcharged is "short sighted" (that's the kindest i could come up with).
 
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