Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi finally say they will use Tesla’s EV charging plug
The last major automaker to bend the knee to Tesla.
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Yeah they are finally putting a Hellcat in the Pacifica!!!!Has Stellantis (Chrysler, Jeep, Puegot, Citroen, Fiat...) announced anything?
A charging station not owned by Tesla can support NACS (North American Charging Standard) and many are already doing so or in process of doing so.IMO it’ll only be time that the feds get involved and break up the Tesla “monopoly” on charging infrastructure and force it to spin off as the Standard Oil of the 21st century.
Tesla has fewer charging stations all together than the others, they just have more fast charger plugs than all the rest combined. EA has ~4000, and now that the hardware platforms are starting to improve other companies are building out their networks as well. It gets harder to stay on top as the equipment starts to be commodity. Unlike Standard Oil, all a charging station is providing is an interface to the local grid, so everyone is buying the same electricity on the backend.Yeah another supercharged V
Yeah they are finally putting a Hellcat in the Pacifica!!!!
IMO it’ll only be time that the feds get involved and break up the Tesla “monopoly” on charging infrastructure and force it to spin off as the Standard Oil of the 21st century.
Spoken like a true Rockefeller ?A charging station not owned by Tesla can support NACS (North American Charging Standard) and many are already doing so or in process of doing so.
“Pricing for non-Tesla drivers reflects additional costs incurred to support Supercharging a broad range of vehicles and adjustments to our sites to accommodate these vehicles. Rates vary by site, and you can view prices in the Tesla app. The per kWh price to charge can be lowered with a Supercharging Membership.”Tesla has fewer charging stations all together than the others, they just have more fast charger plugs than all the rest combined. EA has ~4000, and now that the hardware platforms are starting to improve other companies are building out their networks as well. It gets harder to stay on top as the equipment starts to be commodity. Unlike Standard Oil, all a charging station is providing is an interface to the local grid, so everyone is buying the same electricity on the backend.
That being said, there are those bizarre folks trying to punish Elon for buying Twitter/X, and exposing government involvement in controlling on-line speech and content. Since they can't control him, we will assuredly see regulations designed to hamper any expansion if they can figure out how.
Not unless they find that Tesla is abusing that position. There is nothing that prevents other manufacturers from using the NACS form factor or protocols. I think the protocol is actually an open standard. As far as I can tell there are no barriers to entry to prevent others from competing. At this point in time the Tesla Superchargers have been the most reliable and the fastest. I have been using them since 2016. They were fairly sparse back then and I owned a Chademo adaptor for the convenience. However the few times I used it, the stations were slow or in some cases only charged for 30 minutes before turning off. I ultimately sold the adaptor after the Supercharger network filled out.IMO it’ll only be time that the feds get involved and break up the Tesla “monopoly” on charging infrastructure
And you like true Communist ?Spoken like a true Rockefeller
Tesla may have fewer charging stations, but they have 10x the amount that actually work.Tesla has fewer charging stations all together than the others, they just have more fast charger plugs than all the rest combined. EA has ~4000, and now that the hardware platforms are starting to improve other companies are building out their networks as well. It gets harder to stay on top as the equipment starts to be commodity. Unlike Standard Oil, all a charging station is providing is an interface to the local grid, so everyone is buying the same electricity on the backend.
That being said, there are those bizarre folks trying to punish Elon for buying Twitter/X, and exposing government involvement in controlling on-line speech and content. Since they can't control him, we will assuredly see regulations designed to hamper any expansion if they can figure out how.
A charging station not owned by Tesla can support NACS (North American Charging Standard) and many are already doing so or in process of doing so.
No non-Tesla fast chargers AFAIK have J3400 plugs. However a CCS to J3400/NACS adapter has been around for a couple of years, and I've parked next to a few Tesla's charging/complaining about EA when it was the best/only close L3 option, and only delivering 50KW or something.Spoken like a true Rockefeller ?
Well they make a product that work, the other comp can do the same!!!Tesla may have fewer charging stations, but they have 10x the amount that actually work.
DCFC about 4 times as many plugs as all the rest combined as of 2023/Q3. EA has gotten quite a bit better since this mess started, but I'd say closer to 6x working. The ratio gap will narrow, since if both put in another 1000 plugs the ratio will drop. The problem is just the cost of the equipment is still too high.Tesla may have fewer charging stations, but they have 10x the amount that actually work.
Chademo is what ceased my leaf purchase.
I’m sure we will see both CCS and Tesla for some time into the future.
Technically true. The best kind of true.Chademo is actually superior in one aspect, in that it supports bidirectional charging (if you can find a charger that supports it).
I've never used a public charging station, so I don't know the details, but from what I understand, adapters are/will be available, so I don't see why it matters
That said, I'm all for standards as long as they're open, and my understanding is that NACS is. I've never cared about what gas station I go to, as long as it's convenient and priced competitive, but nothing is more convenient and price competitive than my home charger. The charging plug is pretty much at the bottom of my list of considerations.
I bought a nicer non-Tesla EV with features that would be nice for long distance driving, and I want NACS to succeed ASAP so that I don't feel like I made a horrible lifestyle choice.
For CCS, it's not immediately clear to me how Tesla SuperChargers with no payment UI nor hardware would be updated to work with cars that were never updated by OEM to support plug & charge (I don't know if they always transmit VIN/other unique ID already. Most CCS chargers were NOT plug & charge so there's a high probability to be sad).
Teslas have always had plug & charge, which is why the UI is optional/not present on SuperChargers.
My coworker bought a Tesla for exactly that reason, and he left today on a drive around the country for the holidays, which is great, but not for me.
But then you lose the big value of NACS. Tesla chargers have much less downtime. (Though, if you added in potential handshaking headaches, maybe not).It's up to Tesla to figure out how to win the charger race, but I would try to avoid them if I couldn't just drive up and pay like everything else.
I guess Tesla could just implement app-based payment.
That's what I was thinking about the other day when some family was talking about charging. Why don't they just take a card payment like a gas pump yet. Sometimes we get ahead of ourselves and downgrade an experience in the name of advancement.Would you want to have to install an app and sign up for some payment service for every gas station you filled up your ICE car at? I'm sure they can figure out how to install a standard credit card / NFC reader in their chargers.