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China customs bans shipping of lithium batteries?

As of now Tesla only uses Lithium Ion.
Most of that process they use is From Samsung.

I don’t think the Gigafactory make LIFEPO4.
Not true.....depends on where

American Tesla’s are all 20700 cylindrical NMC cells

China built Tesla’s are/will all be LFP

Gigafactory does not produce LFP......they are totally dedicated to the 20700 cells that Tesla co-developed with Panasonic

Formerly Tesla used Panasonic/Tesla 18650 cylinderical cells

They have a technology sharing agreement

Tesla does have other research sites where different chemistries are developed

Tesla Fremont is in my home stomping grounds, been in there many times over the years, been intrested in electric cars for quite a while

The Voltswagon was developed by a neighbor many years ago........Ed Kaylor of Santa Cruz, Ca. I was very interested in that project
 
That is not quite true, despite having the most expensive health care system, the US doesn't even rank in the top 10.

That may be true regarding the mean. Similar for IQ.

When I visited Rochester, Minnesota (where Mayo foundation and hospital is located), a sign in the airport said, "Welcome United Arab Emirates")
When people with more money than God fly half way around the world for medical care and checkups in the U.S., that says something.
 
Not surprising considering how hard it seems to be to ship the cells (or battery) back to China for warranty.
Can the US warehouses still ship?
 
Who awarded them this 10 year exclusive contract? The United Nations?

Hopefully there are other chemistries that make it to market but I haven’t seen anything scale past laboratory stuff yet much less be cost effective on a large scale.
It's not an exclusive contract, it was a Royalty free agreement which pretty much meant China could make the batteries at a lower price than anyone else. The reason for this move was because when they introduced LFP batteries they got a luke warm reception in the battery industry and struggled for years to get a higher adoption rate. The industry was not enthusiastic because of the lower power density so they partnered with China to promote the technology so it would not die.
The contract started in 2012 and ends in 2022.
https://www.lifepo4ag.com/
 
@robby

quote “The contract started in 2012 and ends in 2022.”

Thanks for that lead, that is why i am hearing buzz at tesla about LFP......Funny that Elon Musk was one of the biggest badmouthers of LFP, now they build cars in china that are LFP powered.


The electric car that I am impressed with is the BYD , powered by LFP batteries.
 
That may be true regarding the mean. Similar for IQ.

When I visited Rochester, Minnesota (where Mayo foundation and hospital is located), a sign in the airport said, "Welcome United Arab Emirates")
When people with more money than God fly half way around the world for medical care and checkups in the U.S., that says something.
Yes that is pretty much an accurate summation. I think the Mayo Clinic is the most advanced hospital in the world.
I also think that half of the top ten Hospitals in the world are in the USA.
Your also right in that anytime a world leader needs a major medical procedure done they typically come to the USA. I believe that Putin is an exception ? .

Putting US pride aside there are still some really top notch hospitals in other countries that are so much cheaper and offer the same service for 95% of the cases. I also like the fact that they are not bogged down in most countries by the constant lawsuits.

We really over pay for the hospital care in the USA. It's an all consuming beast that cannot be stopped by any Political party.
 
Tesla uses whatever batteries they can get. They have Panasonic 18650s for the S and X (made in Japan), Panasonic 2170s for the 3 and Y made in Nevada, LG and others coming online for 2170s, 4680s for the new Austin and Berlin (eventually) Y's... but they also use LFP for the standard range 3 and Y-- prismatic and now the blade batteries for Berlin.
 
Yes that is pretty much an accurate summation. I think the Mayo Clinic is the most advanced hospital in the world.
I also think that half of the top ten Hospitals in the world are in the USA.
Your also right in that anytime a world leader needs a major medical procedure done they typically come to the USA. I believe that Putin is an exception ? .

Putting US pride aside there are still some really top notch hospitals in other countries that are so much cheaper and offer the same service for 95% of the cases. I also like the fact that they are not bogged down in most countries by the constant lawsuits.

We really over pay for the hospital care in the USA. It's an all consuming beast that cannot be stopped by any Political party.
I can’t imagine if you couldn’t sue a hospital / Doctor.
Oh we cut off the wrong leg. Sorry. Have a nice day!!

It happens.

Hell, I had a guy I worked with who's Wife was wrongly Diagnosed 2 years ago in the ER.
They gave her the wrong meds without any test or consulting her records. It was just what the attending ER doctor thought.
She died within minutes after getting there.

Was it negligence? Was it because the doctor was working his 30 hour? Was it because that wasn’t her regular hospital and her records weren’t readily available?

Don’t know. A life was lost. Does that mean the hospital owes the guy Millions now?
If you can’t live until 100 now is that the fault of the doctors and institutions?

Did hospital board monitor their doctors better before? Did they head off things better or are we just expecting to live forever now?

Hospitals when started Were a service mostly provided by municipalities who recruited Doctors from college to treat their Citizens.

Insurance companies have been around for hundreds of years. They collect premiums based upon actuarial tables and statistical averages and payout services usual and Customary based upon prices across the country.

Are the insurance companies to blame if the cost of everything goes up?
I personally don’t believe so.
Are they trying to squeeze huge $ today out of the margins? Probably so.


Also back in the day not nearly as many things where treated. It was more battlefield treatment rather than every little thing and if you died.
Well that was life.
Every little things wasn’t treatable.
You had acne, well you had acne.
You had a scar, you had a scar.
You got Cancer, You died sometimes.

My pediatrician would come to the house to give us penicillin shots.
Would that even be an option today? Stuff has become so Antibiotic resistant would it even work?

He even gave my mother his home phone #.
He was a WW2 vet who got half his leg blown off during the war.
He wore this prosthetic leg piece from above the knee down and limped everywhere but was the kindest man you would ever meet.

Decided to go to Med school afterwards and became a Doctor to help people.

Was he rich? He was definitely more affluent than the rest of us who worked in the mines and factories but absolutely Nobody held that against him.
He was also 1 or a few doctors in the town.

I know many times he treated people for no money because he could..
He was a beloved member of our community.

He was just a GP not a specialists
Only time we saw one of those was if we broke a bone or shoved something in our eyes or maybe broke off teeth but still it wasn’t thousand of $$$.

Where does the fault lie?
Is it is that people can’t accept that sometimes people can’t be saved and sue everyone because of the pain?

The doctors who spend 10-20 years studying before going into practice not to mention the constant continuing education.

The Hospital who wants the latest MRI machine?

The Drug Companies ?

What is the definition of “Basic healthcare “??
I’m serious here. What is it?


Is it treating your average boo boos, Cuts scrapes, Fevers, stitches and such

OR

is it the most cutting edge research with unlimited resources and swappable organs?
Is everyone entitled to it?

Do We treat someone who smokes, drinks, uses drugs to excess and absolutely could not care about their health but demands we fix them anyway with absolutely no way to pay?

Where do we draw the line?

Do we limit every healthcare industry to a small fee?
Do you think people will give up half her lives studying to be a Doctor or specialist in a field for a small fee?
Do we mandate “You will be a Doctor for the rest of your life”
What kind of care will you get from such a person?

How do you treat 338,000,000 people to THEIR perceived satisfaction?

Nothing in life is free. Hard lesson to learn but buy 13 most of us did.

Please don’t start with these NHS countries.
I see more of them here than citizens getting fixed.
For every 1 person who claims 100% payment with 100% replaceable organs and specialist flown in from around the world to fix them there are 10 on the internet who have to wait 6 months for a biopsy.

I meet them every time I go to the doctor.

Canada, 38,000,000, UK 67,000,000 Sweden 10,000,000. , Findland 5,000,000 Norway 5,000,000

Grand total 120,000,000 or about 36% of USA.

We are the 3rd largest population on Earth Besides China and India.

Also with the largest GDP in the world it’s only 10th in the world GDP per Capita.
If that doesn’t tell you something nothing will.
 
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I thought Tesla was dealing with CATL.
they are, also building a HUGE factory in Germany together with VW and the PSA group
i heard that EVE is looking at Poland to open a plant...
i think the Chinese are worried about next year's patent deal laps and are trying to keep their foot in production
 
When we get AI working, together with robots, the motivation for producing products in low income countries will disappear. (Sadly that is going to bring in a host of other issues for politicians to fix.)

I don't see why shipping LiFePo4 would be a hazard if it was packed properly, maybe some one could enlighten me?
 
Not true.....depends on where

American Tesla’s are all 20700 cylindrical NMC cells

China built Tesla’s are/will all be LFP

Gigafactory does not produce LFP......they are totally dedicated to the 20700 cells that Tesla co-developed with Panasonic

Formerly Tesla used Panasonic/Tesla 18650 cylinderical cells

They have a technology sharing agreement

Tesla does have other research sites where different chemistries are developed

Tesla Fremont is in my home stomping grounds, been in there many times over the years, been intrested in electric cars for quite a while

The Voltswagon was developed by a neighbor many years ago........Ed Kaylor of Santa Cruz, Ca. I was very interested in that project
Ok I will be VERY specific.

Tesla does NOT make Lifepo4 batteries for solar use here in the USA hence we have nowhere else to buy them except China for now.

As far as I know NOBODY makes Lifepo4 cells here in the USA.
 
Yes and since Covid has two possible origins, one Natural and one Man Made it has had a lot of my friends in our little think tank wondering.
If it's man made and escaped then the question is what do they know about it that we do not know? It would have to be something so big that they are willing to sacrifice all of their gains over the last 20 years to prevent it from spreading.
Scary if true.

And BTW if any of you start having a Craving for Brains please let me know ASAP. :ROFLMAO:o_O:eek:
There is too large a gap in the coronavirus evolution to be natural. I spent more hours on it, immune systems, RNA, ADE, Israeli studies as they record everything, than I have solar. Two people in my circle died, one young and healthy. Friend codes Med records for a nationally known hospital so I knew who was hit hard. My wife is on that problem list. At the peak, I took two months off to avoid the risks and read. We, the US know what they know. The NIH funded gain of function research.
 
sooooo back on topic....

wayback machine shows this page was scraped July 27 2022

I can't find any other links/articles to corroborate this claim
 
My take on this 'crackdown' is that it will be very temporary in nature. The rule may be permanent, but the enforcement will be temporary.

I saw a video a year or two ago about the banning of motorbikes entering one of the major metropolitan cities in China (Shenzhen i think, but I'm not certain.) However, one only had to look around and see hundreds of motorbikes coming and going. Every once in a while, police would stop someone and confiscate their motorbike. The person who created the video was telling about coming into the city on a divided highway, and spotting a checkpoint up ahead. The motorbikes in front of him turned around and went back to where they could cross to the other side of the divided highway and ride into the city going the wrong way against traffic. He followed them and when they went past the checkpoint, the police didn't attempt to stop them. So break one law and you are in trouble, break two laws and you are good.

There are probably political aspects to these enforcement actions, not just international, but also internal since this is a political year for the Chinese communist party. Overall, this is a temporary risk for the forwarders and shippers, and when the risk subsides, business will return to normal.
 
When we get AI working, together with robots, the motivation for producing products in low income countries will disappear.
because suddenly low income countries will stop having access to technology I guess?
 
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