vwaudiguy
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It's usage the grid meter sees coming from my house.Is that usage by the house, or just usage from the grid?
It's usage the grid meter sees coming from my house.Is that usage by the house, or just usage from the grid?
Wonderful... more reason to go off gridNot only a separate grounding rod but you could not connect it to your house at all (thus no backup) since all of its electrical components has to be grounded by code. I am not sure they thought that requirement out. But maybe it is simply that they do not want any form of alternate electrical.
So using your batteries to shave off the peaks is the way to go I supposeIt's usage the grid meter sees coming from my house.
The issue with any collective is that it no one is willing to put forth the effort to get ahead because everyone is the same. The incentive is gone. In the Soviet Union it caused the downfall. Collective farming produced next to nothing because those farming just planted enough for their own needs on a small plot while the rest lay idle. Might be an interesting parallel to our electric grid and now small generators like DIY solar enthusiasts.This type of thing makes me mad. And I don't get mad easy. Over-charging. Requirements to be on grid. The manipulation of people that just want some energy independence is ridiculous.
Say all you want about "good for the collective" or other political statements to get people to march to the same drum. I don't buy it. If all of the individual choice is beaten out of people "for the good of the people", that just makes no sense. I have no intent to live exactly the same as everyone else to satisfy some mandate.
Sorry for the rant good people!
Or perhaps it is different because the "DIY solar enthusiasts" would welcome selling excess power at a fair exchange.Might be an interesting parallel to our electric grid and now small generators like DIY solar enthusiasts.
You could easilly turn off the car charging when one of the other heavy loads (Heat Pump or Watre Heater) is running.I think I'm going to have to try.. my car charger runs a solid 3.8kw for 5 hours straight each day typically.. I can't keep the heat pump or water heater from running during that 5hr period.. Inevitably they all three run at the same time.
Collective mindset is you give that excess and then some to the collective for free. There won't be any incentive to produce excess beyond your basic needs.Or perhaps it is different because the "DIY solar enthusiasts" would welcome selling excess power at a fair exchange.
0.168 here in Wi, with no BS caps or peak pricing.$3.75/kwhr? Is this US dollars?
Nobody is shocked by this? That's absolutely nuts. Some parts of the country are getting under $0.10/kwhr
My price per Kwh is actually cheap at $0.087 but I get the other BS along with it... yay0.168 here in Wi, with no BS caps or peak pricing.
For now.0.168 here in Wi, with no BS caps or peak pricing.
Ok. Just bookmark this for yourself when it finally hits your area.There seems to be a lot of whining and moaning that electricity is getting more expensive. I guess the price of electricity should never go up? What else are you paying for that hasn't gone up since 2018?
The ops electric company has rates under .1/kWh, they haven't raised rates since 2018 and y'all are crying?
There seems to be a lot of whining and moaning that electricity is getting more expensive. I guess the price of electricity should never go up? What else are you paying for that hasn't gone up since 2018?
The ops electric company has rates under .1/kWh, they haven't raised rates since 2018 and y'all are crying?
I agree about some reasonable fixed delivery charge. I just hope the CPUC holds their feet to the fire and makes sure that money goes into necessary grid maintenance and upgrades.Personally I think demand charges are appropriate/essential, otherwise how will they pay for winter delivery
If I could pick between different electric companies to get the best deal as with any other goods or service.. then complaints would be kept to a lower level.. but to have a rate change done in a way that is nearly out of my control to offset and a change that has the ability to triple my bill for 9 months out of the year with zero say... nope... they have and will continue to hear about it. If they need money... raise the rates.. don't add "junk fees"There seems to be a lot of whining and moaning that electricity is getting more expensive. I guess the price of electricity should never go up? What else are you paying for that hasn't gone up since 2018?
The ops electric company has rates under .1/kWh, they haven't raised rates since 2018 and y'all are crying?
There's a limited amount of free market that's viable with a natural monopoly like electricity. Nobody is going to string up separate wires for each company -- we tried that 100 years ago and it doesn't work.If I could pick between different electric companies to get the best deal as with any other goods or service.. then complaints would be kept to a lower level.. but to have a rate change done in a way that is nearly out of my control to offset and a change that has the ability to triple my bill for 9 months out of the year with zero say... nope... they have and will continue to hear about it. If they need money... raise the rates.. don't add "junk fees"
Some markets have tried free market pricing for Generation. In California we have CCAs which serves a good portion of the market. Delivery is still a monopoly and in my opinion poorly regulated. The grid needs to be updated to adapt to today's distributed generationThere's a limited amount of free market that's viable with a natural monopoly like electricity.
How's this change going to triple your bill?If I could pick between different electric companies to get the best deal as with any other goods or service.. then complaints would be kept to a lower level.. but to have a rate change done in a way that is nearly out of my control to offset and a change that has the ability to triple my bill for 9 months out of the year with zero say... nope... they have and will continue to hear about it. If they need money... raise the rates.. don't add "junk fees"
I view electricity like I do gasoline... charge enough per gallon to pay all of the cost of production, transport, ect... the customer really doesn't need to be involved with your business by paying a pump fee and a fuel fee and a cost of doing business fee... if the price gets too high for some people, they will conserve... true those that drive gas guzzlers will be subsidizing those who have economy cars.. but again, the choice is the costumers as to what kind of car they buy. do the same with electricity. raise the rate to an amount that covers all cost of doing business as a power company. that way the customer can choose to conserve or pay. and again, the electricity guzzlers will possibly be subsidizing those that don't use much power. but they are the ones that use the most... and also have the choice to do something about it.. (solar)There's a limited amount of free market that's viable with a natural monopoly like electricity. Nobody is going to string up separate wires for each company -- we tried that 100 years ago and it doesn't work.
Rates-only increase may not be able to cover the grid costs in all situations.
Why is it OK for all non-residential to have demand charges, usage charges, and power quality charges, but residential to only be subject to usage charges?
my bill for 9 months was only $31 each... this change will add about $78 to each of those months.How's this change going to triple your bill?