The Great Reset

LeoThomson · Jun 25, 2023

grizzzman said:
By the same token do not shove your "sky fairy" crap on others.

I support freedom of expression, whatever term you decide to use is fine by me. I even support comparative religion in schools.

grizzzman said:
This year's "Conspiracy Theory" is just as likely next year's "Fact"

Nope.

grizzzman said:
I have no problem with abortions under certain conditions, but it is "Bantha fodder" to use it as birth control. Genocide by any other name...........

I am not asking what you do or don't support, I am trying to explain that critical thinking is complex.

grizzzman said:
Just because you want a world order to control everything does not mean I or many others want it.

Again setting up a straw man, lets put it differently. We both want to control which side of the road we drive on, we might not agree on which side is better.

LeoThomson · Jun 25, 2023

42OhmsPA said:
? ? ? At you making this statement.

Laugh all you want mister "nothing will make me believe covid vaccines are safe"

MurphyGuy · Jun 25, 2023

grizzzman said:
By the same token do not shove your "sky fairy" crap on others.

As far as I know, non-religious people, atheist, or whatever you want to call them, have never pushed their "sky fairy crap" on others..

And lets be crystal clear, I'm not referring to a forum discussion, advertisement, or any other form of freedom of speech.. We're talking laws and regulations that take personal freedoms away based on the irrational and ridiculous belief systems of others.

So when you say "by the same token, don't push sky fairy crap on others", I don't know what the f*ck you're talking about.. More irrational beliefs?

grizzzman said:
This year's "Conspiracy Theory" is just as likely next year's "Fact"

I guess if one's world view is based on irrationality, then I guess I can see that from your perspective.

grizzzman said:
I have no problem with abortions under certain conditions, but it is "Bantha fodder" to use it as birth control. Genocide by any other name...........

There's that Christian while male demographic pushing their beliefs on others... If you don't want to have an abortion, the solution is easy.. Don't get an abortion.. How hard is that to understand? But so long as you try to pass laws and restrict the liberties and freedoms of others based on your personal irrational belief system, then its open season.

Let me guess, you want to restrict the liberties and freedoms of homosexuals, trans people etc as well too right? Yeah, under "certain conditions".

How about we flip that equation and see how it applies to other things? Imagine the gun grabbers: "We support the 2nd amendment, but only under certain conditions" "I have no problem with citizens owning guns under certain conditions"

Irrational beliefs cause irrational behaviors.

grizzzman said:
Just because you want a world order to control everything does not mean I or many others want it.

Then you should stop buying consumer goods because any conspiracy for a world order isn't being pushed by politicians that come and go with the wind.. its being pushed by corporations.. And those corporations have bought and paid for the politicians and propaganda to get the moronic idiots in this country to argue and fight over which side of the liberal/conservative fence they're on... Divide and conquer.. So long as you're busy worrying about stupid shit, you won't be looking their direction.

grizzzman · Jun 25, 2023

MurphyGuy said:
As far as I know, non-religious people, atheist, or whatever you want to call them, have never pushed their "sky fairy crap" on others..

Hypocrite...... I got "Sky Fairy" from you.... Many times.

MurphyGuy said:
And lets be crystal clear, I'm not referring to a forum discussion, advertisement, or any other form of freedom of speech.. We're talking laws and regulations that take personal freedoms away based on the irrational and ridiculous belief systems of others.

Yes you tend to move the discussion in the direction you want.

MurphyGuy said:
So when you say "by the same token, don't push sky fairy crap on others", I don't know what the f*ck you're talking about.. More irrational beliefs?

See the first reply.

MurphyGuy said:
I guess if one's world view is based on irrationality, then I guess I can see that from your perspective.

If the truth is irrational then so be it.

MurphyGuy said:
There's that Christian while male demographic pushing their beliefs on others... If you don't want to have an abortion, the solution is easy.. Don't get an abortion.. How hard is that to understand? But so long as you try to pass laws and restrict the liberties and freedoms of others based on your personal irrational belief system, then its open season.

You attitude tends to be my way or the highway.

MurphyGuy said:
Let me guess, you want to restrict the liberties and freedoms of homosexuals, trans people etc as well too right? Yeah, under "certain conditions".

So this means you are Ok for schools to show sex in libraries for kids under 13? Why is it not legal to take a young kid to a stripper palace?

MurphyGuy said:
How about we flip that equation and see how it applies to other things? Imagine the gun grabbers: "We support the 2nd amendment, but only under certain conditions" "I have no problem with citizens owning guns under certain conditions"

Does not matter laws are in place.

MurphyGuy said:
Irrational beliefs cause irrational behaviors.

Says the man who bows to the religion of science.

MurphyGuy said:
Then you should stop buying consumer goods because any conspiracy for a world order isn't being pushed by politicians that come and go with the wind.. its being pushed by corporations.. And those corporations have bought and paid for the politicians and propaganda to get the moronic idiots in this country to argue and fight over which side of the liberal/conservative fence they're on... Divide and conquer.. So long as you're busy worrying about stupid shit, you won't be looking their direction.

In this I completely agree.

grizzzman · Jun 25, 2023

LeoThomson said:
I support freedom of expression, whatever term you decide to use is fine by me. I even support comparative religion in schools.

So do I. And I call it BS.

LeoThomson said:
Nope.

Denying the truth does not twist it your way.

LeoThomson said:
I am not asking what you do or don't support, I am trying to explain that critical thinking is complex.

If it is hard for you to grasp, there are classes available on this subject.

LeoThomson said:
Again setting up a straw man, lets put it differently. We both want to control which side of the road we drive on, we might not agree on which side is better.

Pointless laws are in place.

MurphyGuy · Jun 25, 2023

grizzzman said:
Hypocrite...... I got "Sky Fairy" from you.... Many times.

Damn, the point just went right over your head didn't it.... You don't think I know you got sky fairy from me? Who the F*^k else uses that term?

And people think I'm being harsh when I say most people are stupid.

grizzzman said:
Yes you tend to move the discussion in the direction you want.

See the first reply.

If the truth is irrational then so be it.

You attitude tends to be my way or the highway.

You are obviously at your wits end and can't defend your position.

grizzzman said:
So this means you are Ok for schools to show sex in libraries for kids under 13? Why is it not legal to take a young kid to a stripper palace?

ROFLMAO, and you accuse me of moving a discussion in the direction I want? Damn.. talk about irrational behaviors. Ok.. Lets address the library sex for kids under 13. Post an example so I know what you're talking about first. I suspect, as with so many other things, that you are embellishing the facts to suit your own argument.

If your position is that you have a problem with library materials containing sexual content that are available to children, how do you rationalize the sexual content in the bible being available to those same children? Or the propensity for churches to sexually abuse children?

Funny Story.. The religious Mormon nut jobs in Utah were able to get laws passed to ban certain sexual content from school libraries.. They didn't want children to be exposed to anything sexually related... (They like to save that kind of thing for the back rooms when the parents aren't around) Then the parents used that same law to get the bible banned for the same exact reasons, and now the book of Mormon is next... The irony is off the charts...

grizzzman said:
Does not matter laws are in place.

Yeah, remember that next time a law is passed that you don't like, don't agree with, and that restricts your freedoms.. We'll just reply with "your argument doesn't matter, laws are in place"

I think a 13 year old could come up with such a shallow and meaningless argument just as well.

grizzzman said:
Says the man who bows to the religion of science.

WTF? Science isn't a religion genius. Your religiously wired mentality requires you to see science as a religion because you need to psychologically project that upon others to justify it with yourself. The actual them is "psychological projection".. look it up..

The fact is, I don't need your religion, but you most certainly need my science. I never need your religion.. I have never used your religion, no one ever needs religion.. But you most certainly need science and use science every minute of every day.. And when I was minutes away from death on a hospital bed, it wasn't religion that saved me, it was science.. and when you're in that same position, you'll be asking the doctors to use that same science to save you.

grizzzman said:
In this I completely agree.

I'm shocked.. yes, shocked! We agree on something.. alert the news media..

klystron · Jun 25, 2023

MurphyGuy said:
Faith is by definition, an irrational belief. One can not be a critical thinker and be irrational at the same time.

There are countless examples that prove you wrong. Here is another: Katherine Gobels Johnson. Are you going to claim that she lied about her Christianity too, or that she wasn't capable of critical thinking?

Some [psychologists] say preppers are irrational. Does that mean you are also incapable of critical thinking?

Maybe we can try another approach: do you have some psychological studies or papers that you can cite that support your theory, or is it merely your opinion?

grizzzman · Jun 25, 2023

MurphyGuy said:
Damn, the point just went right over your head didn't it.... You don't think I know you got sky fairy from me? Who the F*^k else uses that term?

And people think I'm being harsh when I say most people are stupid.

Sticks and stones. I own what is mine and the rest is meaningless.

MurphyGuy said:
You are obviously at your wits end and can't defend your position.

Why would I do your homework?

MurphyGuy said:
ROFLMAO, and you accuse me of moving a discussion in the direction I want? Damn.. talk about irrational behaviors. Ok.. Lets address the library sex for kids under 13. Post an example so I know what you're talking about first. I suspect, as with so many other things, that you are embellishing the facts to suit your own argument.

It appears that you have not been paying attention and once again doing your own homework.

MurphyGuy said:
If your position is that you have a problem with library materials containing sexual content that are available to children, how do you rationalize the sexual content in the bible being available to those same children? Or the propensity for churches to sexually abuse children?

There you go with church again..... Nice side stepping.

MurphyGuy said:
Funny Story.. The religious Mormon nut jobs in Utah were able to get laws passed to ban certain sexual content from school libraries.. They didn't want children to be exposed to anything sexually related... (They like to save that kind of thing for the back rooms when the parents aren't around) Then the parents used that same law to get the bible banned for the same exact reasons, and now the book of Mormon is next... The irony is off the charts...

You are behind the times on that issue. The Bibles are being returned to the libraries. Bet that pisses you off though.

Utah school district returns the Bible to shelves after appeals and outcry

The Bible will return to the shelves in a northern Utah school district that provoked an outcry after it banned it from middle and elementary schools last month.

apnews.com

MurphyGuy said:
Yeah, remember that next time a law is passed that you don't like, don't agree with, and that restricts your freedoms.. We'll just reply with "your argument doesn't matter, laws are in place"

I think a 13 year old could come up with such a shallow and meaningless argument just as well.

Why can you not let them be kids for a while? The rest will come soon enough.

MurphyGuy said:
WTF? Science isn't a religion genius. Your religiously wired mentality requires you to see science as a religion because you need to psychologically project that upon others to justify it with yourself. The actual them is "psychological projection".. look it up..

You act like it it. Took that crap in college, The funny thing about is you do, it ALL of the time.

MurphyGuy said:
The fact is, I don't need your religion, but you most certainly need my science. I never need your religion.. I have never used your religion, no one ever needs religion.. But you most certainly need science and use science every minute of every day.. And when I was minutes away from death on a hospital bed, it wasn't religion that saved me, it was science.. and when you're in that same position, you'll be asking the doctors to use that same science to save you.

I stand by what I said.

MurphyGuy said:
I'm shocked.. yes, shocked! We agree on something.. alert the news media..

A fine manipulation to be sure!

MurphyGuy · Jun 25, 2023

klystron said:
There are countless examples that prove you wrong. Here is another: Katherine Gobels Johnson. Are you going to claim that she lied about her Christianity too, or that she wasn't capable of critical thinking?

As I said above, the ability to function or perform tasks is not a measure of rationality. I lied about my Christianity when I was in the Air Force.. I knew damn well I wouldn't be able to advance if I wasn't conforming, so I listed Catholic on the form... I even went to the base church with everyone else.. Hmm.. I wonder if anyone else thought of doing the same...

That's not to suggest your example was lying.. not by any means. But being able to perform a task is not a measure of rationality. I should also state, because I know how these arguments go, that just because someone has faith, does not mean they run around like a crazed nut job doing irrational things all day, or that they are incapable of performing a task.

No one is capable of a perfect level of critical thinking.. and likewise, I don't think anyone is capable of being completely irrational.. If they were, they wouldn't live very long.

klystron said:
Some [psychologists] say preppers are irrational. Does that mean you are also incapable of critical thinking?

Which psychologists? Link?

klystron said:
Maybe we can try another approach: do you have some psychological studies or papers that you can cite that support your theory, or is it merely your opinion?

Is that a serious question? How many links do you want?

The Relationship Between Religious Orientation, and Gender With a Cognitive Distortion

Objective: The objective of this study was to determine the relationship between religious orientation (intrinsic–external) and cognitive distortions. Methods: General design of this study considered as a descriptive and correlational method. ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Faith and Foolishness: When Religious Beliefs Become Dangerous

Religious leaders should be held accountable when their irrational ideas turn harmful

www.scientificamerican.com

Faith and rationality - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Here's a good one.. but I haven't checked it...

Religion is irrational, but so is atheism

Why are some people religious and others atheists? Do we really know what we mean by atheism? Jonathan Lanman thinks he has found a very paradoxical clue

www.newscientist.com

A reason to believe

Researchers say that religion may fill the human need for finding meaning, sparing us from existential angst while also supporting social organization.

www.apa.org

Why Religious Beliefs Are Irrational, and Why Economists Should Care

Religion is irrational BY DEFINITION.. it is a belief without evidence.. If it was rational, the church wouldn't have to victimize children to survive.

As far as Atheism being irrational (per one of the links above), that depends on how one defines Atheism. Atheism has never been clearly defined because it originated as a derogatory term by those who believed in a god.. It's root was Greek to mean "godless".. whatever that meant back then... So the term "Atheist" can mean either A) "one who disbelieves", or B) "one who isn't a believer"

Disbelieving in something you can not observe is just as irrational as believing in something you can not observe. People label me as an Atheist and I just shrug because I don't give a hoot.. but technically, I would be agnostic because I have no irrational beliefs one way or the other.

Here's how stupid people are: I read somewhere that something like 20% of self described Atheists believe in a higher power... Let the stupidity of that sink in for a moment..

LeoThomson · Jun 25, 2023

grizzzman said:
So do I. And I call it BS.

Please clarify, what do you call BS?

grizzzman said:
Denying the truth does not twist it your way.

Not denying truth, but the claim that conspiracy theories necessarily turn out to be facts is patently wrong. Granted, there have been instances where science was wrong, the good thing about science is that it is self correcting, unlike religion.

grizzzman said:
If it is hard for you to grasp, there are classes available on this subject.

Not all that hard for me to grasp that critical thinking is complex.

grizzzman said:
Pointless laws are in place.

Again, please clarify what you are trying to say.

aenyc · Jun 28, 2023

Content Restricted – Truth Unmuted

truthunmuted.org

grizzzman · Jun 28, 2023

aenyc said:
Content Restricted – Truth Unmuted

truthunmuted.org

I see someone has been doing the homework!

MurphyGuy · Jun 28, 2023

aenyc said:
Content Restricted – Truth Unmuted

truthunmuted.org

Well.. if its on a website with a domain name that has the word "TRUTH" in it, it must obviously be true.

Have you ever played the game Monopoly? What happens when you play that game for several hours?

LeoThomson · Jun 28, 2023

MurphyGuy said:
Well.. if its on a website with a domain name that has the word "TRUTH" in it, it must obviously be true.

Have you ever played the game Monopoly? What happens when you play that game for several hours?

Joseph Michael Mercola is an American alternative medicine proponent, osteopathic physician, and Internet business personality. He markets largely unproven dietary supplements and medical devices....

The funny part is that the conspiracy nutters tell you to "follow the money" and take this guy as their guru...

D71 · Jun 28, 2023

LeoThomson said:
Joseph Michael Mercola is an American alternative medicine proponent, osteopathic physician, and Internet business personality. He markets largely unproven dietary supplements and medical devices....

The funny part is that the conspiracy nutters tell you to "follow the money" and take this guy as their guru...