WHATS Nem 2.0 and 3.0 in CA ? Is it just another game? Should i get solar now?

[ilove2fix]

hi guys ok im in California and theres this NEM 3.0 deal that i dont get and i think is just bs! Its as if PGE doesnt want to pay out for your energy and forcing you to get battery storage? most solar places want to charge me around 23k before the tax credit.. so around $15k cost for a 9kW system( no batteries) .

Is that a good deal should i do it now and possible be in the NEM 2.0 or should i build my own with battery packs and be free of PGE ? i live in Central California and dont know if thats even possible here in CA ?

 

[BentleyJ]

Your post is more or less a duplicate thread. Its too late for NEM 2.0 it ends April 14th. Your best bet now is look at self consumption systems with zero to minimal sell back. The main goal being to reduce consumption to near zero at peak ToU rates. 4 to 9 PM weekdays.

 

[ilove2fix]

Your post is more or less a duplicate thread. Its too late for NEM 2.0 it ends April 14th. Your best bet now is look at self consumption systems with zero to minimal sell back. The main goal being to reduce consumption to near zero at peak ToU rates. 4 to 9 PM weekdays.

so is it bettet to do it on my own with batteries or NEM 2.0 through tesla for $23k ? 15k after the tax credit

 

[SkyBlue]

As BentlyJ wrote, it's too late for you to get on NEM2. All new rooftop solar systems approved after next Friday will be on NEM 3. And adding a system under NEM 3 only makes economic sense if you include battery storage.

This issue has been discussed extensively on this forum. Use the search feature if you want to learn more about what options you have under NEM 3. You can also read about it on other forums like this one: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/thr...-it-relates-to-energy-products.249852/page-17

 

[Kuma]

hi guys ok im in California and theres this NEM 3.0 deal that i dont get and i think is just bs! Its as if PGE doesnt want to pay out for your energy and forcing you to get battery storage? most solar places want to charge me around 23k before the tax credit.. so around $15k cost for a 9kW system( no batteries) .

Is that a good deal should i do it now and possible be in the NEM 2.0 or should i build my own with battery packs and be free of PGE ? i live in Central California and dont know if thats even possible here in CA ?

Roseville/Auburn Cali area, I got a quote of $23k for a 4kw install. No bats and this is mounted on my roof. Installers saving T and M money on roof mount verse ground mount. Your $23k , $15k, for 9kw seams like deal. As others said, NEM 2 is history....

 

[Hedges]

Depending on your income, health, private water system, fire zone, public safety power shutdowns,
you may qualify for $150 to $1000 per kWh of battery. That ranges from slight discount to free.

You had until April 14th to submit an NEM 2.0 reservation with your utility. If you didn't, no more good backfeed credit. In most cases, solar won't make sense unless you get a battery.

Analyze your power usage, electric bill, solar potential, and what battery rebates you may qualify for. Battery systems (ESS) will have to be on approved list.

 

[SkyBlue]

Roseville/Auburn Cali area, I got a quote of $23k for a 4kw install. No bats and this is mounted on my roof. Installers saving T and M money on roof mount verse ground mount. Your $23k , $15k, for 9kw seams like deal. As others said, NEM 2 is history....

Your quote seems really high for a normal 4 kW rooftop installation in the Roseville area. Check out this website for info on what other people are paying in Placer County.

CaliforniaDGStats

California Distributed Generation Statistics

www.californiadgstats.ca.gov

Keep in mind that you have missed the window for qualifying your new system under NEM 2. So study the NEM 3 rules to see if solar still makes economic sense for you.

 

[Kuma]

Your quote seems really high for a normal 4 kW rooftop installation in the Roseville area. Check out this website for info on what other people are paying in Placer County.

CaliforniaDGStats

California Distributed Generation Statistics

www.californiadgstats.ca.gov

Keep in mind that you have missed the window for qualifying your new system under NEM 2. So study the NEM 3 rules to see if solar still makes economic sense for you.

The company I got a quote from is in the below list. If the "AC output" is used, not PV size which is what I stated - 4kw for $23k, the quote they provided is "roughly" inline with others. And a neighbor had a 10kw system installed two years ago and the pricing per kw is similar to the quote I got.

Im not sure what to think about the cost per KW on that site. The prices vary a lot. $1.43 per kw installed - sign me up!!

"System cost figures are self-reported by applicants and no additional verification has been conducted on these figures."

"Cost/Watt" (in AC capacity) for each project. For paired systems the "Cost/Watt" calculation is based on the AC capacity of the solar PV system"

2023-02-27	NEWCASTLE	95658		No		13.174	3.14	Solar PV
2023-02-15	NEWCASTLE	95658	WESTHAVEN POWER	No	530-554-2970	12.531	5.51	Solar PV
2023-02-15	NEWCASTLE	95658	E S ELECTRICAL CONSTRUCTION INC	No	916-663-0557	9.335	4.01	Solar PV
2023-02-13	NEWCASTLE	95658	INFINITY ENERGY INC	No	916-474-4723	13.693	6.43	Solar PV
2023-01-17	NEWCASTLE	95658	INFINITE ENERGY CONSTRUCTION	No	530-333-5060	3.58	3.29	Solar PV
2023-01-11	NEWCASTLE	95658		No		3.503	1.43	Solar PV
2023-01-10	NEWCASTLE	95658	SWELL CONTRACTORS	No	310-340-0493	4.086	3.90	Solar PV
2023-01-06	NEWCASTLE	95658	MODERNIZE CONSTRUCTION INC	No	916-293-5900	18.707	2.22	Solar PV
2022-12-29	NEWCASTLE	95658	SUNPOWER CORPORATION SYSTEMS	No	800-786-7693	17.683	4.86	Solar PV
2022-12-20	NEWCASTLE	95658	ENERGY SAVING PROS CONSTRUCTION INC	No	916-259-2501	11.171	3.72	Solar PV

btw - I submitted the PGE NEM 2 app a month ago and is being reviewed.

 

[SkyBlue]

The company I got a quote from is in the below list. If the "AC output" is used, not PV size which is what I stated - 4kw for $23k, the quote they provided is "roughly" inline with others. And a neighbor had a 10kw system installed two years ago and the pricing per kw is similar to the quote I got.

Im not sure what to think about the cost per KW on that site. The prices vary a lot. $1.43 per kw installed - sign me up!!

"System cost figures are self-reported by applicants and no additional verification has been conducted on these figures."

"Cost/Watt" (in AC capacity) for each project. For paired systems the "Cost/Watt" calculation is based on the AC capacity of the solar PV system"

2023-02-27	NEWCASTLE	95658		No		13.174	3.14	Solar PV
2023-02-15	NEWCASTLE	95658	WESTHAVEN POWER	No	530-554-2970	12.531	5.51	Solar PV
2023-02-15	NEWCASTLE	95658	E S ELECTRICAL CONSTRUCTION INC	No	916-663-0557	9.335	4.01	Solar PV
2023-02-13	NEWCASTLE	95658	INFINITY ENERGY INC	No	916-474-4723	13.693	6.43	Solar PV
2023-01-17	NEWCASTLE	95658	INFINITE ENERGY CONSTRUCTION	No	530-333-5060	3.58	3.29	Solar PV
2023-01-11	NEWCASTLE	95658		No		3.503	1.43	Solar PV
2023-01-10	NEWCASTLE	95658	SWELL CONTRACTORS	No	310-340-0493	4.086	3.90	Solar PV
2023-01-06	NEWCASTLE	95658	MODERNIZE CONSTRUCTION INC	No	916-293-5900	18.707	2.22	Solar PV
2022-12-29	NEWCASTLE	95658	SUNPOWER CORPORATION SYSTEMS	No	800-786-7693	17.683	4.86	Solar PV
2022-12-20	NEWCASTLE	95658	ENERGY SAVING PROS CONSTRUCTION INC	No	916-259-2501	11.171	3.72	Solar PV

btw - I submitted the PGE NEM 2 app a month ago and is being reviewed.

The website shows the average cost per AC Watt for solar installations without storage in Newcastle is $4.01 Your quote is for $5.75 per STC Watt. What is your estimated AC Watt output? Wouldn't it be less than the STC output?

Good luck with the PG&E application. You may make the cut.

 

[Kuma]

The website shows the average cost per AC Watt for solar installations without storage in Newcastle is $4.01 Your quote is for $5.75 per STC Watt. What is your estimated AC Watt output? Wouldn't it be less than the STC output?

Good luck with the PG&E application. You may make the cut.

Average? lol Yeah, $1.50~$6.50... $5.75 is well within that range.

They quoted ~9kw. 9kw seemed very optimistic for a 4kw install facing west and that installer is listed many times for the past couple years.

Spoke with a PGE rep a month ago and was told that submissions made before April 15th would be NEM 2. Even if a request for info/change/update was requested by PGE NEM 2 would still be honored. So why you say "may make the cut"?

Have you heard or read otherwise? btw - My PV system is straight forward. 5.6 kw, 5kw SMA inverter, 30 amp breaker on a 200 amp SP.