The vaccinated are more likely to catch Covid

[Cdkipp]

And you are on a mission to defend Big Pharma's ability to make billions by blocking access to cheap generics ?

You are attacking rather than addressing the underlying point. Cheap generic drugs ARE used in the treatment of Covid. There are also non-pharmaceutical interventions for Covid such as supplemental O2 and patient positioning. If only treatments that make money for big pharma are utilized, why are these treatments permitted?

 

[Cdkipp]

And you are on a mission to defend Big Pharma's ability to make billions by blocking access to cheap generics ?

And if big pharma blocks the use of generics, why are we seeing these positive studies on the early use of Prozac? Where is the logic in big pharma actively blocking one generic to preserve profits while allowing others to be utilized?

 

[noenegdod]

You decide for yourself. here is Dr Kory being interviewed and describing the opposition he has faced trying to save lives.

My bias is clear ? Yeah, I think Big Pharma would allow lots of people to die if it stood in the way of billions of dollars.
Please forgive me, I have sinned.

You are like a cornered dog. Your just lashing out. Slow down and pay attention to what I said. You said (or at least it appeared you said):

"Dr. Gupta, ultimately a man with ethics and integrity, came out and declared what CNN did was wrong."

Did you say that?

 

[Cdkipp]

For folks interested in actual science, this paper is a very good summary of where the studies and research stand on various interventions including an explanation of how each drug works, or in the case of ivermectin,doesn't. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8562484/

 

[Browneye]

The problem is that the anti's and deniers are opposed to and disbelieve ANYTHING put out by .gov. PERIOD.
It's hard to find truth when the people no longer trust their institutions. We have had a steady breakdown of trust of EVERYTHING. From sports figures to celebrities to politicians. EVERYTHING America looked up to has been shown to be false or corrupt. I get it, people just don't trust ANYONE anymore.
Before the internet it was much more difficult to disseminate general information, and alternate information. Now everyone has ready access to everything, real information or misinformation - it all looks the same.

It's too easy to get sucked into conspiracy theories. People make wild claims with suspect or even false facts or statistics, or anecdotes, to support their claim. It just spirals down from there.

After the 2020 election I kept waiting for 'something to happen'. Isn't that what everyone kept saying? Just trust the process, something is going to happen. It never did. A bunch of kooks.

Now we've got everything from self-building molecular strings to nano-chips, to mass-extermination claimed with these vaccinations. It's all just poppycock. Government can't conspire - they can barely grasp their ass with two hands. Just look at the DMV or the post office if you want to see how government runs things. They don't attract the best and the brightest - private industry does that. So we're left with bumbling idiots running things.

YOU and you alone is your best advocate. Take care of yourself and your family. And quit listening to or arguing with raging lunatics.

EDIT: @Dhasper - good article/paper BTW. Scientific and extensive. The medical community has come to realize the real threat of the covid virus is post-viral infection - your immune response. It just gets carried away and makes you really sick, kills weaker systems. And why a good doctor will also tell you to get on good immunity building supplements - zinc, B1-thiamine, C, D, NAC, and quercetin. IT's also been said that NAC is good at negating whatever side affects of the vax may introduce. I'm no med/doctor, so I can only go by anecdotal experience and direct contact with medical professionals.
Some really good YT docs:
Dr. Bean
ZDoggMD
Chris Martensen
Dr. Moran - canada
Medcram

 

[Bob B]

I'm a little on the fence concerning Ivermectin.

If people don't think Ivermectin was the reason for the radical reduction of cases and death from Covid in India .... what does explain that?
All I can find in articles from people who oppose it is .... there is no proof.
In India, It's use as a polylactic for family members of a person with Covid ... and for early treatment coincides with the rapid decline. Areas where people used Ivermectin had radically different results than those that didn't.
Are we too much in the weeds about things that don't matter in the discussion about Ivermectin?

If the choice is between NO early treatment ..... and no polylactic ....and a known safe round of Ivermectin that might help fight Covid ... what is the downside to using Ivermectin? It's not like the people who are using is are not getting a different early treatment that might help more.
The most frustrating part of this for me has been the TOTAL lack of early treatment protocols and in some cases, the total politicization of the science.

 

[Cdkipp]

.....
If people don't think Ivermectin was the reason for the radical reduction of cases and death from Covid in India .... what does explain that?
All I can find in articles from people who oppose it is .... there is no proof.

If the choice is between NO early treatment ..... and no polylactic ....and a known safe round of Ivermectin that might help fight Covid ... what is the downside to using Ivermectin? It's not like the people who are using is are not getting a different early treatment that might help more.
The most frustrating part of this for me has been the TOTAL lack of early treatment protocols and in some cases, the total politicization of the science.

1. "If people don't think Ivermectin was the reason for the radical reduction of cases and death from Covid in India .... what does explain that?" First, a treatment would not cause a reduction in cases as virus remains active in the population. Second, every country, or as we see now in the US, regions of a country have waves or cycles. There is no real explanation as to why the South East was ablaze in Covid only a month ago and now has some of the lowest numbers. This cycle has been the one constant feature of Covid.
2. "If the choice is between NO early treatment ..... and no polylactic ....and a known safe round of Ivermectin that might help fight Covid ... what is the downside to using Ivermectin? " First Ivermectin does have a risk profile. More importantly, that simply is not the way medicine or science works. There are reasons, especially the in-vitro studies, for why Ivermectin was taken seriously as a potential treatment. And yes, there was anecdotal evidence, but "it might work so why not try it" is not the standard used anywhere in western medicine. The standard is a drug must go through full safety and efficacy studies with double-blind randomized clinical trials. Ivermectin carries risk and the effectiveness has not been established.

 

[Cdkipp]

I'm a little on the fence concerning Ivermectin.

If people don't think Ivermectin was the reason for the radical reduction of cases and death from Covid in India .... what does explain that?
All I can find in articles from people who oppose it is .... there is no proof.
In India, It's use as a polylactic for family members of a person with Covid ... and for early treatment coincides with the rapid decline. Areas where people used Ivermectin had radically different results than those that didn't.
Are we too much in the weeds about things that don't matter in the discussion about Ivermectin?

If the choice is between NO early treatment ..... and no polylactic ....and a known safe round of Ivermectin that might help fight Covid ... what is the downside to using Ivermectin? It's not like the people who are using is are not getting a different early treatment that might help more.
The most frustrating part of this for me has been the TOTAL lack of early treatment protocols and in some cases, the total politicization of the science.

"In India, It's use as a polylactic for family members of a person with Covid"....A polyactic? What does this mean? Polylactic Acid is used as a delivery device for some medications, an ingredient, but I have not heard the word used here and as you use it again later in your post.

 

[Shale MacGregor]

And you are on a mission to defend Big Pharma's ability to make billions by blocking access to cheap generics ?

I think you might be confused. If you want Ivermectin just talk to your Doctor and they can prescribe you these pills as off-label use if they feels they will be helpful. If not, there are resources online for Doctors who will prescribe it for you.

 

[BMcL]

I think you might be confused. If you want Ivermectin just talk to your Doctor and they can prescribe you these pills as off-label use if they feels they will be helpful. If not, there are resources online for Doctors who will prescribe it for you.

I'm not confused. You and others here are too arrogant and think you know what's going on.
Doctors are being intimidated if they try to prescribe ivermectin.
It's outrageous that a generic with so much documented history as being well-tolerated, is being blocked from being prescribed for Covid.
Walgreens and CVS won't prescribe it unless it's for scabies or one of their "approved" uses.
Pharmacies are telling Doctors what they can and can't prescribe.

Walgreens and CVS Pharmacies will no longer fill ivermectin scripts

This was told to me by pharmacists, who stated that the decision came from their corporate offices. It seems the companies have not posted ...

anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com

 

[BMcL]

Tell me this : if Ivermectin doesn't work, wouldn't the quickest way of proving that is to let everyone use it ?
Since it's well-tolerated even at high doses, allow people the freedom to figure it out for themselves.
I know republicans and libertarians are in favor of this approach.

But this will never happen until republicans are back in charge. And that's 3 long years everyone is going to have their rights squashed.
3 more years of fighting to keep masks off your kids and having them subjected to experimental vaccines.

 

[BMcL]

"In India, It's use as a polylactic for family members of a person with Covid"....A polyactic? What does this mean? Polylactic Acid is used as a delivery device for some medications, an ingredient, but I have not heard the word used here and as you use it again later in your post.

You know what he means. Quit being an a$$ (prophylactic - when a drug is used to prevent catching a disease)

 

[time2roll]

Tell me this : if Ivermectin doesn't work, wouldn't the quickest way of proving that is to let everyone use it ?

The quickest way is to complete the same testing trials the vaccine when through. Why is that so hard?

 

[Cdkipp]

Tell me this : if Ivermectin doesn't work, wouldn't the quickest way of proving that is to let everyone use it ?
Since it's well-tolerated even at high doses, allow people the freedom to figure it out for themselves.
I know republicans and libertarians are in favor of this approach.

But this will never happen until republicans are back in charge. And that's 3 long years everyone is going to have their rights squashed.
3 more years of fighting to keep masks off your kids and having them subjected to experimental vaccines.

You call them experimental vaccines but there have been billions of doses given and they went through actual trials and have full FDA approval. You want people just to take stuff and see if it works. The entire problem with ivermectin is that it worked outside of the body but the doses needed inside the body are toxic. Why have an FDA? Just let drug companies sell people things directly and see if they die or it works? Is that your plan? Is that the freedom you are chasing?

 

[BMcL]

The quickest way is to complete the same testing trials the vaccine when through. Why is that so hard?

No one will pay for the trial because there is no profit in this drug. It's generic.

 

[Cdkipp]

You know what he means. Quit being an a$$ (prophylactic - when a drug is used to prevent catching a disease)

Polyartic does not remotely mean that. The problem is that he, like you, has no idea what he is talking about.

 

[Cdkipp]

No one will pay for the trial because there is no profit in this drug. It's generic.

Bullshit. Look at the article I posted above. Ivermectin has far more research than one would expect. They researched dexamethasone, Prozac and many other generics. You are making things up.

 

[BMcL]

You call them experimental vaccines but there have been billions of doses given and they went through actual trials and have full FDA approval.

They are approved under "emergency use only." And they don't meet the definition of a vaccine. Vaccines last longer than a few months.

You want people just to take stuff and see if it works. The entire problem with ivermectin is that it worked outside of the body but the doses needed inside the body are toxic.

You are quoting talking points you have read. Dosages are posted everywhere for ivermectin and they aren't even close to toxic.

Why have an FDA? Just let drug companies sell people things directly and see if they die or it works? Is that your plan? Is that the freedom you are chasing?

Doctors are the ones who discovered ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine work on Covid. They are dirt cheap. You are in favor of blocking doctors from prescribing drugs off-label ? Once the government decides how a drug is used, it cannot be tried for something else ?
How stupid would that be ? But that is what's happening.

 

[Cdkipp]

Pfizer has full FDA approval since August.

 

[Cdkipp]

They are approved under "emergency use only." And they don't meet the definition of a vaccine. Vaccines last longer than a few months.

You are quoting talking points you have read. Dosages are posted everywhere for ivermectin and they aren't even close to toxic.

Doctors are the ones who discovered ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine work on Covid. They are dirt cheap. You are in favor of blocking doctors from prescribing drugs off-label ? Once the government decides how a drug is used, it cannot be tried for something else ?
How stupid would that be ? But that is what's happening.

The item about dosing is not a talking point but part of the research from THIS MONTH I cited above. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8562484/