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Tulex said:
So maybe EVs in the future make sense. For me, the real issue is that the mandates with them on both federal and state levels are before the EVs time. Wouldn't even need mandates if they just let the product sell itself.
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government has to step to push people into it in or stuff doesn't get done.
It'd get done after solid state exists.

You get an imbalance then.
Either a bunch of cars that need grid infrastructure to give them 1000000 watts instantly
or a huge "green" grid with tons of power and nothing to use it.

By having them both progress together, eventually we could see a fully green grid and everything electric

The literal worst thing that could happen is some breakthrough in fusion and we're then using 1 cup of water to power a city per day and we have unlimited energy and everything still runs on gas.
 
Tulex said:
Why shouldn't it be? That's part of the issue.
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I agree it is an issue for many until they actually have an EV. None of the EV owners I know or post on forums say it is an issue for them. If I were a manufacturer trying to speed up adoption I would not invest in chasing faster charging times or replaceable batteries, I would focus on bringing costs down. I was just in China and 25% of new car sales are EVs and most people live in cities without their own garage but that has not slowed down adoption. The one application where replaceable batteries work is in some taxi fleets in Chinese cities where all the taxis have to be electric.
 
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gotbeans said:
government has to step to push people into it in or stuff doesn't get done.
It'd get done after solid state exists.

You get an imbalance then.
Either a bunch of cars that need grid infrastructure to give them 1000000 watts instantly
or a huge "green" grid with tons of power and nothing to use it.

By having them both progress together, eventually we could see a fully green grid and everything electric

The literal worst thing that could happen is some breakthrough in fusion and we're then using 1 cup of water to power a city per day and we have unlimited energy and everything still runs on gas.
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I don't agree with that. The free market will always provide for change. Government involvement just gets in the way.
 
time2roll said:
Take a look at Canoo

https://www.canoo.com/
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man that site sucks
some others report starting at 35k, decent price.
That's one butt ugly van though, I want one

Tulex said:
I don't agree with that. The free market will always provide for change. Government involvement just gets in the way.
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That's cool, you don't have to agree, you don't have say at all so doesn't matter. It's already happened thousands of times throughout history and been proven correct.
 
Do we all realize that this type of back and forth has gone on re solar power since the 80s, and here we all are with solar systems?

Don't want or like an EV? Cool. Don't get one.

Like them? Cool, get one.

Love them? Cool, get 3.

Hate them? Cool, buy a 1978 diesel pickup.
 
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Ampster said:
I have taken one cross country trip an several dozen trips up and down the California Coast in eitght years and the cost per mile was significantly less than if I had done it it a gasoline car. I had one that had 115,000 miles on it and I never had to change the oil or do the brakes. I bought tires and two 12 volt batteries. I do not know where you are getting your numbers but that has not been my experience. I am not trying to change your mind, I just want other readers to see another viewpoint so they can make up their mind based on realistic assumptions.
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What did you pay for it and what did you sell it for?
 
millsan1 said:
Do we all realize that this type of back and forth has gone on re solar power since the 80s, and here we all are with solar systems?

Don't want or like an EV? Cool. Don't get one.

Like them? Cool, get one.

Love them? Cool, get 3.

Hate them? Cool, but a 1978 diesel pickup.
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Except the power's that be are trying to take away that choice.
 
nasomi said:
Except the power's that be are trying to take away that choice.
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And, solar is apples and oranges. Far as I know, people are opting for solar as a choice. Those that see the benefit go for it, others have no interest. No mandates to turn off my grid by 2030 and have solar only.
 
millsan1 said:
Do we all realize that this type of back and forth has gone on re solar power since the 80s, and here we all are with solar systems?

Don't want or like an EV? Cool. Don't get one.

Like them? Cool, get one.

Love them? Cool, get 3.

Hate them? Cool, but a 1978 diesel pickup.
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Yep it's pretty funny. Progress happens throughout history. I always picture the ones that were against using fire. and then the ones that fought against the wheel. They existed. Luckily progress happens regardless
 
millsan1 said:
Do we all realize that this type of back and forth has gone on re solar power since the 80s, and here we all are with solar systems?

Don't want or like an EV? Cool. Don't get one.

Like them? Cool, get one.

Love them? Cool, get 3.

Hate them? Cool, but a 1978 diesel pickup.
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Diesel pickup trucks were not really a thing in 1978.
 
Checkthisout said:
What did you pay for it and what did you sell it for?
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I paid $110k for a 2016 Tesla Model X and sold it for $47k. It did have free Supercharging so other than two sets of tires and two 12 Volt batteries that is all it cost to drive. Gasoline would have cost $0.20 per mile so the Net depreciation cost per mile was $0.37 per mile. I have not paid that much since then. My 2023 Model Y cost $70k and my 2019 Model 3 cost $35k
 
nasomi said:
Except the power's that be are trying to take away that choice.
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Hardly, you will be able to buy a gas car for a long time, especially if you want a Japanese or one from the big three because they are not moving fast to develop EVs. If you want to worry about something then the thing to worry about is if people on their own decide to adopt EVs faster, and the manufacturers who cannot adjust then go bankrupt and you can't get parts for your old gas car. That is only a hypothetical, but something to think about.
 
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plympton said:
Supercapacitors are the future, but we'll get to those the year after fusion.
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we could live to see it when we're about to die

That'll be well after solid state batteries, but it'd be cool to just have a wireless charger under street lights or w/e that slaps power into cars in half a second while they drive
well after we're dead..
 
Ampster said:
The thing you want to worry about is if people on their own decide to adopt EVs faster, and the manufacturers who cannot adjust then go bankrupt and you can't get parts for your old gas car. That is only a hypothetical.
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This thread is about an electric car company going bankrupt because people aren't buying them.
 
Checkthisout said:
This thread is about an electric car company going bankrupt because people aren't buying them.
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More importantly a luxury brand of electric cars that don't have marketing close to any other manufacturers and they're way over priced during a global inflation.
 
Ampster said:
I paid $110k for a 2016 Tesla Model X and sold it for $47k. It did have free Supercharging so other than two sets of tires and two 12 Volt batteries that is all it cost to drive. Gasoline would have cost $0.20 per mile so the Net depreciation cost per mile was $0.37 per mile. I have not paid that much since then. My 2023 Model Y cost $70k and my 2019 Model 3 cost $then.
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So why aren't more people buying EV's if they are cheaper overall?
 
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