Brucey
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BYD sells their cheapest car (Seagull)in China for $9700. And they make a profit on that.
Seems to have a 30 or 38kWh LFP battery using their blade design
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Seems to have a 30 or 38kWh LFP battery using their blade design
Doggydogworld
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Yes, demand charges are an absolute killer. Some charging station providers install stationary batteries on site to reduce demand charges (and other costs like equipment upgrades). But adding batteries also adds cost, so it's a two-edged sword. The money math really doesn't come close to working until you reach high utilization, which only Tesla has been able to do in the US. And even they only get there in certain locations.
wattmatters
Solar Wizard
That's the majority of driver use cases in Australia.
Brucey
Solar Wizard
Yes, the point is for a longer road trip where you are away from cheap or maybe "free" solar charging at home, you may be paying more than you would have to fuel a gas vehicle.
Nobodybusiness
Collecting the leftovers of the Great Sky Reactor.
So you can force people who can’t afford it to pay $8000 for a car?
If ma and pa are buying a used Mercury then suddenly the tax is worth more than the car.
Doesn’t seem to altruistic or even feasible.
Unless you are talking about new cars which no one is buying anyway.
SoggyShoes
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I think to blame the failure of Fisker on EVs is a mistake. Fisker has a long track record of poor management. How does a billion dollar valuation company lose orders and payment records?
Fiskar is going down because it was run in a way that would destroy any company. Its as simple as that.
Fiskar is going down because it was run in a way that would destroy any company. Its as simple as that.
Nobodybusiness
Collecting the leftovers of the Great Sky Reactor.
For your average person that doesn’t need stop all the time how much time does it cost?
I’ve seen plenty of video of cross country Tesla even using the superchargers take a lot of time.
Broken or not working chargers.
Unavailable chargers
Etc.
wattmatters
Solar Wizard
Charging takes me 20 seconds max. I plug it in and that's it, the car gets automatically filled while I'm doing other things. When I want to drive again it's ready with a full enough tank.
As for highway travel / charging, the DC fast charger time aligns with the break time I'd want anyway. At destination just plug in, same as at home and it charges when you are doing other things (like sleeping).
Brucey
Solar Wizard
Ban all private vehicles ownership. Nobody needs a car. Think of the environment and take the bus.
yea they have to be profitable. no company is gonna spend millions of dollars to put them there without eventually paying it back lmao
same deal with any gas station
wattmatters
Solar Wizard
Every EV can be slow charged on a regular AC outlet and that's the majority of charging.
DC fast charging is really only a thing for highway trips if the distance to destination is further than the car's range.
That's majority everywhere in the world
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Seems to have a 30 or 38kWh LFP battery using their blade design
BYD Seagull - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
oh really? I see all these people cry about needing multi thousand dollar plugs etc
that's good stuff then. I drive so infrequently I'll charge mine on 1 amp for a week
wattmatters
Solar Wizard
Globally 20% of new car sales are BEV / PHEV.
yep no doubt. It's a bad globally but they're LUXURY which gives them an extra hit and they also have shit structure and always have had.
wattmatters
Solar Wizard
What's the #1 selling car is the world?
Tesla Model Y
In 2023 it overtook the Toyota Corolla's long held crown.
EVs, like many products, start with the higher end offerings, then make their way down to the more affordable options. One of the issues with the USA is the lack of Chinese Ev options there. BYD, SAIC and others are making millions of very affordable EVs which are scaring the pants off the traditional makers.
I have an MG4, it's fantastic.
clayswen
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I think the love affair with the EV is good. I hope they work out to be a viable option in the future. One thing that makes them attractive is that its government helping you pay for it. (Just like our 30% solar tax credit) Take away the good ole government spending our hard earned money and see how bad new EV sales drop. Also, what happens with the roads once all the ICE vehicles are dead and gone? The fuel tax is what funds most highway infrastructure. Wait till the EV owners start getting a little letter from the IRS and the state wanting to know the mileage on the car or the KWH charge history on it so that you can pay a tax to help take care of the roads. Now suddenly the EV is a lot more expensive to own. The price of owning an EV will go way higher once the tax portion comes into play. The EV industry has had a bit of a free ride using roads and bridges built by the good ole ICE engine being taxed millions of times per day. I live in the country and drive hundreds of miles per week for work and play, so an EV is not even feasible for me.
jonas
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When I drive my model s cross country it take 10-15% time longer than it would take with my ICE car.
So far I’ve never been prevented to charge at a supercharger station due to broken chargers.
HighDesertOffgrid
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Ever price a Tucker?
yea the chinese mopeds are illegal in the states on streets and they're only a few hundred dollars, for over a decade.. really hope to see the cars get here sometime.
Doggydogworld
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Musk's only financial issue is his disastrous Twitter acquisition, but that damage has already been done. Even with TSLA down 60% from its highs he still has well over $100 billion worth of shares. And SpaceX has no problem raising money from 3rd parties.
EV sales rise every year. Tesla Model Y was the best selling vehicle in the world last year. Not the best selling EV -- it beat Toyota Corolla out for the #1 overall spot.
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People worried about distance travel should consider a plug-in hybrid (PHEV). Toyota RAV4 Prime (sub $30k) and Prius Prime ($40k-ish) have 40 mile EV range, enough for typical commute and errands. Plug in each night and drive the next day on the same cheap electrons as a Tesla. If you go on a long trip the gas engine fires up and gets 40 (RAV4) or 50 (Prius) mpg. That's cheaper than Supercharging in most of the country, not to mention faster and more convenient. Best of both worlds. Unfortunately Toyota builds few Primes and they're in demand, so good luck finding one at MSRP.
The upcoming Ramcharger pickup will have 100++ mile electric range plus a V6 for distance towing. Ram will probably load it up with all kinds of frou-frou options and charge $90k for it.
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