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Because the alternative is death for some (like Art.)
There are long lists of people who spoke out against vaccines, only to die due to the lack of them. Far too many of them had final words along the lines of "please please give me the vaccine!" even though at that point it did nothing, or even more sadly, "tell people I was wrong."
Keep in mind that polio, considered a horrible epidemic, only killed 6000 people and paralyzed 30,000 in the US. And everyone back then was vaccinated against polio, even though the vaccine had some very nasty failures, and sometimes CAUSED polio rather than protect against it.
COVID killed 1.2 MILLION Americans.
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Yet death wasn't the likely outcome from covid, just like death isn't viewed as the likely outcome from jumping out of a plane by those who do it. And there's a longer list of people who lost loved ones to covid who blame the way it was handled, not the lack of a vaccine. And there is absolutely no evidence that the current "vaccines" would have saved any lives. It's very easy to say you are wrong when you are dying. When you deal with the reality of death, you will grasp at anything.
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Why is America essentially married to (or colonized by) a foreign power?
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Murphyslaww
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Our leaf has lost connectivity, it will be awhile before the Lightning does, but the Leaf functions fine. We have a Bluetooth app that tells us just about anything we need to know about the car and battery, people have built a similar app for the Lightning.
MTM98290
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While I do find that article to be absurd and insulting to my intelligence given it's clearly propagandistic language and phrasing, you do bring up a valid point.I agree it is not helpful to categorise such views as automatically belonging to the same group of people.
While there are often parallels between views held by a group on some topics, views on climate change and vaccines are not necessarily aligned in the manner suggested.
This is an interesting study published in Nature on this issue of grouping of views on climate change and views on COVID vaccines:
Comparative analysis of Australian climate change and COVID-19 vaccine audience segments shows climate skeptics can be vaccine enthusiasts - Scientific Reports
Denialism and the spreading of misinformation have occurred regarding both climate change and COVID-19, delaying uptake of urgent actions. Audience segmentation analysis identifies audience subgroups likely to have similar responses to messaging, and is a valuable tool for effective campaigns...www.nature.com
Study on >1000 Australians. Obviously there are going to be differences with other countries, this was more to consider the issue of grouping views and why that's not always wise.
What did they find?
The paper discussed many nuances with age, gender, political identity and so on but in general:
So in short, the message is we need to be careful when making assertions about grouping people based on their views on a range of topics.
We shouldn't be lumping people into groups as it only serves to divide and conquer societies. That being said, this is a hard thing not to fall into for most as we are hard wired to make snap judgments and recognize minute differences in order to protect ourselves and our tribe.
If one believes one dangerous and foolish lie, they may not believe all stupid and foolish lies, but it is a pretty good indication that they may be easily duped.
It is easy to disregard a people who believe harmful things and treat them as an enemy.
We saw this on full display a few years ago during the event sold as a pandemic. We were told that the unvaccinated shouldn't be allowed jobs, free travel, medical care, allowed in the store, that we should be in concentration camps or killed. Australia even put people in concentration camps, and many applauded it.
We had disgusting people laughing about the people murdered in hospitals by the "covid" protocols, because they didn't get the "vaccine." They wrote articles celebrating the death of fellow humans who didn't take the "vaccine." They threatened people in public, called the police to remove people from places of public accomodation and even resorted to violence.
Why is this not still happening? Because some truth has prevailed and reality has become more apparent to more people. Lies have you be maintained, truth is apparent and reveals itself naturally.
To be fair, some of this may just be due to the dupes moving on to a new manufactured outrage, crisis or war to focus on. This does not account for the change of opinion of average people over the broad spectrum which is certainly true for the people that I talk with.
If we seek truth and oppose lies as induvidiauals we can help to move society toward truth. If we accept lies based on lies and tribalism we will ensure our subjugation.
Do not disregard those who you disagree with, rather seek to find common ground and try to educate them toward truth and toward good. The truth has the disadvantage of being difficult to convey to people who aren't well informed. Lies enable more and larger lies. When faced with enough truth, the lies will fall apart. Plant the seeds of truth in those who you interact with and we will all benefit.
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How do you like the leaf? They are almost cheap enough now that they could be worth it. I could save $160 a month driving it to work and back, which still takes a long time to make economic sense, but it is getting close.
Have you ever used it in V2L mode? If so what are your thoughts on this function?
wattmatters
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I'm not exactly concerned, it's certainly not a requirement for our vehicle to function. I mean if MG/SAIC really wanted to spy then they wouldn't have used the Vodafone network for comms (which has the least coverage in the nation).
It's not an article, it's a published scientific study. The whole point of which demonstrated the fallacy of grouping people with different viewpoints. But there are valid uses for it - most notably for marketing. In this case it helps inform the nature of messaging which might be most effective, whatever the issue(s) might be. Like many things, this can be used for seeking good, benign or nefarious outcomes.
But as to your primary concern, yes I agree it's the destructive use of "us or them" messaging which does no one any good.
However we are always going to categorise things, that's human nature.
Not sure where you got this version I don’t really know anyone celebrating that vaccines were going to kill..
I know ppl seen the supposed doctor nurse dancing tik tok groups which was not professional with all the ppl dying.
I know the vaxxers were dreaming up all kinds of exclusion for ppl that would not take the vaccines to include blocking hospital access to them. I know hospitals refused medical procedures if not vaxxed. There was tons of bad reports against anti vax ppl. Losing their jobs for one. There were vaxxers talking about illegaly forcing vax.
So again not sure where you got your version of “not vaxxed being the bad guys.”
Edit maybe read it wrong so apologize if made a misread…. The vaxxers were very vicious …. It was world wide.
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A rose by any other name is still a rose. I read the "study" and it is filled with false equivalence, appeal to authority arguments and other things which make it not worth much. Its end point may have merit but I don't see much of the scientific method in this. More like a mathematical analysis of polling info.
Marketing and propaganda are essentially the same thing, with different motivations.
Agreed.
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I was speaking about the treatment of the critical thinkers who opposed the shot being treated as sub-human.
I have not seen the anti- shot crowd cheering death and misery, that is almost exclusively the forced "vaccine" crowd that was hateful and violent.
The anti-vax crowd was warning people out of concern and caring, when not censored by the system which could only allow one viewpoint, while many pro-vax were foaming at the mouth and cheering at the oppression and violence against the "unvaccinated."
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wattmatters
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Seems a very "us and them" picture being painted.
Daddy Tanuki
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No your government killed 1.2 million Americans... from tossing covid positives into nursing homes surrounded by imuno-compromised elderly to outlawing drugs that work......Yes while the MSM and the government decried a tried and true drug called Ivermectin as being horse dewormer and made it illegal to proscribe.... maybe if your friend had had some of the tried and true drugs he might have survived, but your government made it illegal.... marinate on that a bit.
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Yes it is. I didn't cause that. I told nobody what to do. I didn't force anybody to do anything. It was the media, government, entertainment, businesses and those who are ok forcing a shot on the world. It very much was us vs. them.
A minority was the victim of the majority. Most of that majority had zero understanding at all of what the shot was and the dangers associated with it, yet they treated people like idiots for not "trusting the science." Peoples jobs and by extension their whole lives were under threat. Again this was not my doing.
When I said that we should seek to avoid us vs. them mentalities I did not mean that I would refuse to recognize the truth. The truth is that a good portion of the world were completely fine seeing their fellow human oppressed, because they didn't agree.
Did you have to worry about the financial security of your family if you were to be fired for not abiding tyranny?
Were you ostracised, theatened and silenced for not wanting to take an experimental product containing who knows what?
Some of us read thousands of pages of law and scientific journals while some read nothing and knew nothing, yet many but were fine seeing the tyranny and attempted tyranny, because they believed that the minority of dissenters deserved it.
Just because a person seeks to have reasonable and rational interactions with others does not mean that will actually happen. If you are attacked do you believe it is ok to defend yourself? Is it also ok for you to recognize or confront the attacker?
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Tulex
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Of course, and that's by design. Divide people into groups, tell everyone why they are wrong for not supporting those groups, and grow your groups. People who don't believe in grouping, who believe in letting people do their own thing but leave them alone, that's becoming harder and harder to do. It's not allowed. The "shot" was just a glorified magnification of that.
wattmatters
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I saw little evidence of tyranny here.
1. We had some sensible social distancing and hygiene precautions, with a bit of overstep here and there, but hardly tyranny.
2. Then once a vaccine was available things slowly began to return to normal. 96% of adults (>15 years) received at least one vaccine and excess mortality during the period of the pandemic was very low. Indeed Australia's excess mortality rate was negative during this time. The public health measures worked and many thousands of people are alive today as a result.
3. About half a trillion dollars was spent with a bit over half that in direct financial support for keeping people financially viable/employed.
The worst thing we saw was the then conservative govt handing billions of dollars over to corporates without any clawback provision if the money was not used as intended, i.e. to keep people's jobs. But despite the poorly accounted for largesse, this Jobkeeper program, combined with significant direct support for those not falling under the Jobkeeper provisions (e.g. casual workers laid off), people's livelihoods were largely protected and support was available.
The experience in other places was likely quite different.
Was the response in Australia the right one? No. Was it the wrong one? No.
It was just what was done and overall seems to have been effective.
Murphyslaww
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I bought it for my son. Paid $6k for it and it's in great shape with nearly 70 of the original 84 miles of range.
YGTBSM. Australia is probably one of the worst. I flew into there delivering cargo, Melbourne was a ghost town. We were the only four “guests” in the hotel downtown. Had to be escorted from the airplane to the hotel and back. We weren’t allowed to leave our rooms or the hotel. Testing and masks required.
People were being arrested, and there were even isolation camps set up.
Victoria Police reviewing alleged 'choking' arrest of woman not wearing a mask in Melbourne
Victoria Police reviewing alleged 'choking' arrest of woman not wearing a mask in Melbourne
Victoria Police is conducting an internal investigation after a video showing an officer holding a 21-year-old woman who wasn't wearing a mask by the throat was posted online.
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