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Can Solar & Wind Fix Everything (e.g., Climate Change) with a battery break-through?

Hopefully @42OhmsPA has more posted on this, can't wait to get an insiders take!
I don't have much to say from the charging network side, my area is vehicle component production for current and upcoming models.
I can say working with Tesla on initial quotes some of the design engineers don't have a clue on real world capabilities... We have a saying, making chicken salad out of chicken shit...

EV launches that were supposed to kick off months ago are repeatedly delayed and volumes are sporadic. One week demand goes up 20% the next week it drops 70%, no joke. (The reason for my comment about working in PC&L).

Forecasting used to be stable for months, now it's lucky to be good for a week. Daily we are adjusting what is running due to demand fluctuations. I'm certain some of it is attributed to excess scrap because of labor that doesn't give a shit but the majority is volatility in the market.
It's bad enough I've been exploring career alternatives outside the automotive industry.
 
I like what he is building, cars, rockets, internet, etc. I dislike his leadership style where he fires people because he is in a bad mood.
Personally I don't like him, and I don't trust him. He says the words but talk is cheap. Put your money where your mouth is, and before anyone starts on Twitter, that is still just words.

That all said however, I doubt he does it because he is in a "bad mood". If that is all it took he would not be where he is now.

It may look like that from the outside, but I don't think that is the real reason.
 
With anything Tesla, I tend to think they get over criticized in the media regardless of what they do. People sure do hate tesla (video).

I don't think it's so much what "they know" as "politics". I suspect Biden doesn't like Tesla as they're non-union. Tesla proves that a company can be strong and pay their employees well without a union.
The reason the Biden administration hates Tesla is that they hate Musk.

They hate him because he was key to crippling social media censorship when he bought Twitter and undid all the algorithms they had worked so hard to get in place ..... Then he doubled down with the release of the Twitter files which fully exposed the censorship complex they were setting up.

The other social media platforms still have a LOT of censorship, but not near as much as they did before Musk bought Twitter. If they censor too much now people will just move to Twitter or some of the other censorship free platforms that have popped up now.

They have tried to structure the tax credits to prevent Tesla from being able to utilize them ..... as soon as they do that, Tesla just changes their product to comply with the new rules.
When that money was budgeted to build EV charging stations it was going to be in competition with Tesla chargers and would be a boon for GM/Ford/etc. since they wouldn't have to spend capital building out networks like Tesla did. At the time, it was the charging network that made Tesla desirable over other EVs because other networks sucked (primarily from poor maintenance). Now that Ford/GM/etc. switched to the Tesla charging port (i.e., NACS) it doesn't help the UAW. Hopefully @42OhmsPA has more posted on this, can't wait to get an insiders take!
There's no doubt that Tesla has excelled with the implementation and maintenance of their charging infrastructure ..... Musk tried to strike a deal with the Biden administration help them build a larger infrastructure and use the Tesla connector type as the standard ..... Instead, they went their own way and so far have failed at creating any new charging infrastructure.

Since charging availability is such a big factor people are considering when purchasing an EV .... the smart Mfg are getting on board to take advantage of the Tesla charging infrastructure.

Pretty much everything Musk tackles becomes first rate .... and that worries me for the future since he thinks the Optimus AI he is developing will be the largest revenue steam of all his ventures in the future ..... That and the whole neural link thing are worrisome.
 
The reason the Biden administration hates Tesla is that they hate Musk.

They hate him because he was key to crippling social media censorship when he bought Twitter and undid all the algorithms they had worked so hard to get in place ..... Then he doubled down with the release of the Twitter files which fully exposed the censorship complex they were setting up.

The other social media platforms still have a LOT of censorship, but not near as much as they did before Musk bought Twitter. If they censor too much now people will just move to Twitter or some of the other censorship free platforms that have popped up now.

They have tried to structure the tax credits to prevent Tesla from being able to utilize them ..... as soon as they do that, Tesla just changes their product to comply with the new rules.

There's no doubt that Tesla has excelled with the implementation and maintenance of their charging infrastructure ..... Musk tried to strike a deal with the Biden administration help them build a larger infrastructure and use the Tesla connector type as the standard ..... Instead, they went their own way and so far have failed at creating any new charging infrastructure.

Since charging availability is such a big factor people are considering when purchasing an EV .... the smart Mfg are getting on board to take advantage of the Tesla charging infrastructure.

Pretty much everything Musk tackles becomes first rate .... and that worries me for the future since he thinks the Optimus AI he is developing will be the largest revenue steam of all his ventures in the future ..... That and the whole neural link thing are worrisome.

You need to remember just what the lefts view of Musk was before the Twitter thing. Go back and he was a darling, now the anti-christ. This is the way the left works.
 
Why did renewables become so cheap so fast?

[China's emissions fell by 3% in March and will keep falling... not]
Not a fan of Heller, he likes conspiracy theories over facts. When he brought
out a graph showing a 60 year trend rather than the last few months I called
BS cherry picking data and went to to look for a reputable site.

He blames it on Ben Norton (whoever he is), but turns out he's just a journalist
- someone that reports news. While a conspiracist likes a person to point
to and make a big deal of, I like the facts.

It looks like in March China did indeed drop 3% emissions.
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So, now that we have the fact established, let's deal with whether or not it's from renewables.

It is true China deployed more solar than every other country last year and in 2024 is trying to do it again. But is the 3% drop from renewables?

From Heller's video, the leveling off at the top of the graph looks consistent with the amount of renewables deployed. Here's some cutout's from Heller's graph, obviously coal consumption is decreasing and wind and solar are rapidly increasing (although he says they're making no progress and only had it up for a second.... so that seems false):
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Carbon Brief reported their thoughts on the 3% drop, their analysis said:
... the main reason the emissions trend turned into a reduction in March was that power-sector emissions growth slowed down sharply. Emissions from the sector only increased by 1% year-on-year, due to strong growth in solar and wind power generation.
So, I'd have to say Norton is somewhat innocent in that he's just reporting the news.

But, I also don't buy that the 3% drop is totally from renewables. Since they are installing a lot of renewables obviously some of the drop must be from renewables. But the graph clearly show's China's monthly fluctuation of power usages is way more than 3%. For example, from the graph above the big dip in 2022 is from COVID. But the change from February to March is ridiculously large and probably more that they had a cold February/Winter and a "nice" March.

So, I'd have to say Norton's innocent (just a journalist and not an expert), the 3% drop in March is probably accurate, and that renewables contributed some, but warmer weather contributed more. But like Norton, I'm not an expert ; -). See also Primary, secondary, final, and useful energy.
 
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Haven't there been more Dodge chargers that caught fire than there are EVs?
Just kidding, I don't have a clue regarding dodges. But I do know EVs are a lot safer from fires than ICE vehicles. ref
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And do ICE or EVs have more Muscle?
 
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False again.
Renewables are anything but cheap

“We need to be honest”: Building Renewables is Expensive​



Establishment energy players wriggling on the hook of their own flawed green energy narratives.

Your power bills are going up, according to one energy boss. Here’s why
By national regional affairs reporter Jane Norman
You came here for truths and straight talk, so, here’s a doozy.”
Standing on stage at the National Press Club — being beamed live into offices and lounge rooms across the country — one of Australia’s top energy bosses was preparing to say what few in the industry will acknowledge publicly.
Jeff Dimery — CEO of Alinta Energy — looked up from his notes on the lectern and delivered the promised doozy to the audience.
“Australians will have to pay more for energy in future,” he says.
“We need to be honest about that.“

Yes, renewables are the “lowest cost, new form of generation”.
But building the wind and solar farms at the scale required to replace coal, together with the batteries needed to store the power, and the new network of transmission lines to distribute that power to consumers will involve tens of billions of dollars’ worth of investment.
The Australian Energy Market Operator’s own figures suggest the transition will cost around $383 billion between now and 2050.
When asked who pays, Dimery replied: “it all comes from consumers, whether through the bill directly or through the tax base.“

Read more: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-12/power-prices-to-rise-in-clean-energy-transition/103696450
This is a big change from previous claims that renewables would bring down near term prices.

Electricity prices predicted to fall as renewable supply increases, gas price falls
Posted Mon 21 Dec 2020 at 5:32am
Key points:
  • Electricity prices are expected to fall by 9 per cent over the next three years
  • More renewable energy production is behind the fall
  • Power prices in Canberra are predicted to buck the trend
Household electricity bills are expected to fall by 9 per cent over the next three years as more renewable generation joins the grid.
A new report by the Australian Energy Market Commission (AEMC) predicts all states in the National Electricity Market — NSW, Victoria, Queensland, South Australia and Tasmania — will have lower energy prices in 2023.
The residential electricity price trends report 2020, published by the advisory body today, projects the ACT will have a slight rise in electricity prices over the next three years.

The report says the main reason for the drop is lower gas prices and the introduction of new sources of energy generation like solar and wind.
It also says network costs and environmental costs are falling, too, although they contribute less to the overall reduction.

Read more: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12...to-fall-as-renewable-supply-increase/12999538
It is not just the ABC. The AEMO, the industry body tasked with regulating the East Coast Australian energy grid, has also frequently added to the confusion about the true cost of renewables;

Renewables push NEM electricity prices down to historical levels
23/10/2023
AEMO’s latest Quarterly Energy Dynamics report shows that wholesale electricity prices averaged $63 per megawatt hour (MWh) in the September quarter, down 41% from the June quarter ($108/MWh) and 71% ($216/MWh) from Q3 2022.
By region, South Australia recorded the highest average quarterly price at $92/MWh, followed by New South Wales ($81/MWh), Queensland ($65/MWh), Victoria ($49/MWh) and Tasmania ($29/MWh).
Total electricity supply by fuel type saw renewables (wind, grid-scale and rooftop solar, hydro and other sources) contribute 38.9% of total supply, up 4.6%, while black coal’s share fell 3.4%, primarily due to the Liddell Power station closure, and gas fell 2.3%. Brown coal’s market share increased 1%, mainly due to fewer unplanned outages.
AEMO Executive General Manager Reform Delivery, Violette Mouchaileh, said that the growing influence of renewables in the NEM was apparent in the warmer September quarter as prices returned to historical levels.
“Record renewable generation output helped push down average wholesale electricity prices by more than two-thirds, double the occurrence of zero or negative wholesale prices (19%) and reduce total emissions by 11% compared to the previous September quarter,” Ms Mouchaileh said.
“Renewables also supplied a record 70% of total energy used over a half-hour period, with rooftop solar contributing 39%, again highlighting the likely benefit from coordinating rooftop solar and home batteries.

Read more: https://aemo.com.au/newsroom/media-...-electricity-prices-down-to-historical-levels
There is no excuse for this confusing messaging about prices. Renewables were always going to be expensive. It was up to the industry oversight body to keep people informed. Does leaving out the bit about how much renewables cost seem like a reasonable effort to keep people informed?

According to the AEMO “Who we are” page, “… AEMO provides the detailed, independent planning, forecasting and modelling information and advice that drives effective and strategic decision-making, regulatory changes and investment. …”. Do articles like the fluff piece above, which somehow fails to mention that any renewable driven cost reduction is temporary, that someone has to pay for all the green infrastructure, does any of this seem like the AEMO is adequately discharging its duty to provide independent advice?

$383 billion is just under $15,000 for every man, woman and child in Australia, or $39,000 for every working person in Australia, just to pay for initial construction. All those extra transmission lines and renewable systems will have to be maintained, at a cost of billions of dollars every year in addition to the cost of maintaining existing infrastructure.

Australia’s peak demand was 31GW in 2023-24, serviced by a capacity of 55GW. According to Wikipedia, the capital cost of building new coal capacity is US $4,074 / Kw to around $1,201 / Kw for gas.

Isn’t climate change supposed to create superstorms and violent weather? If say a big hail storm comes along and wrecks a vast acreage of solar panels, as happened last year in Nebraska, well that will have to be paid for as well.

What are the alternatives to renewables?

Underinvestment in Australia’s energy infrastructure has left most of it in a decrepit state. Lets assume for a moment we have to replace it all.

55GW x 1000000 (convert to Kw) x $4074 = US $224 billion to completely replace all of Australia’s coal capacity with coal. Multiply by 1.54 to get Australian dollars, and you have $345 billion – well short of the $383 billion Energy CEO Jeff Dimery estimated for renewables. If the coal plants use brown coal, which has zero value except as fuel to be shovelled into an adjacent generator, that is a saving of $38 billion in capital costs, + the system does not incur higher transmission line maintenance charges, and a massive cost every time. We save at least $38 billion, and since coal is dispatchable, we wouldn’t have to panic every time the wind dies.

And of course there is the very real risk the $383 billion costing is a massive underestimate. A lot of rather arbitrary assumptions go into calculating such numbers, such as the battery capacity required to accomodate renewable intermittency. Extreme excursions from normal weather conditions such as season long wind droughts over large geographical regions occur often enough to be a problem.

Even when the power doesn’t completely fail, economically damaging spikes in electricity prices can devastate the finances of energy intensive businesses. No energy intensive business can afford $5000 / MWh on a regular basis.

Hands up who still thinks renewable energy sounds cheap? How many people who voted for this train wreck of a left wing green government fell for their dubious claim that renewables would bring down prices? How many voters knew the true cost of green energy, before they cast their vote?

Green energy is a bottomless money pit, always was, always will be. It is time for politicians to be honest with voters, and put a stop this colossal waste of taxpayer resources, before they burn even more money for no benefit.
 

Extraordinary Costs Of Green Energy Creeping Slowly Into Public Awareness​


A key claim of the green energy movement has long been that the intermittent “renewables” — wind and solar — provide the cheapest form of energy. Therefore, the advocates say, just build enough wind turbines and solar panels, convert all use of energy to electricity, and sit back and enjoy a future of affordable energy without adverse environmental consequences.

Meanwhile a key theme at this blog has been exposing the incompetence and chicanery of the claims of low cost for electricity from wind and sun. Although it may often seem as if nobody is listening, I reassure myself that when the full costs of wind and solar electricity eventually get exposed, the people will catch on and not allow themselves to be impoverished.

Over in Europe, it looks like enough of the costs have now gotten exposed to cause the beginning of a public awakening. In August I had a post on how the costs of “green” energy were starting to change the “net zero” debate in the UK. Now, add to that report the results of the elections this past weekend in Germany and Luxembourg. In both countries, parties now standing at least somewhat against the green transition scored gains, while Greens lost ground. The process of ultimate political transformation looks to be long and slow; but I have faith that reality will eventually win out.

First, a short refresher on the claims of green energy advocates that the wind and sun provide the cheapest power. If you only read this blog, or other climate skeptic sources, you may find it incredible that anyone could believe such assertions. But you must remember that the self-designated climate advocates repeat these claims to themselves endlessly in an echo chamber where no one ever pushes back. Eventually, it appears, they come to believe that the claims are true.

And thus, here is my blog post from August 16, 2022, reporting on a Soho Forum debate on the energy future, between Steven Koonin and Andrew Dessler. Dessler, arguing for a future of wind and solar power, had as his main contention that those are cheaper than the fossil fuel alternatives, and therefore they will inevitably sweep the fossil fuel infrastructure away. Although he is some kind of leader in the climate alarm movement, Dessler appeared to have no clue that there was any counter-information to his contentions about the costs of wind and solar power. In support of his position, Dessler used as his main metric the “Levelized Cost of Energy” (LCOE) as published by investment bank Lazard. The LCOE metric is ridiculously flawed, and should not fool anybody, but seems to have fooled not just Dessler but also the entire green energy movement (and for that matter the entire Democratic Party and the President of the United States).

And nothing about LCOE and fraudulent advocacy based on it is going away. Long after the Soho Forum debate last August, Lazard went right ahead and came out with a new and updated Report in April titled “2023 Levelized Cost of Energy+.” Here is the key chart from that Report:


You can see right there that the cost (measured by LCOE) of solar PV is $24-96/MWh, onshore wind is even less at $24-75/MWh, and the cheapest fossil fuel alternative is combined cycle natural gas at $39-101/MWh. So wind and solar are cheaper — QED! But, as I wrote in my August 16, 2022 post:

[A]n LCOE calculation completely omits the dominant costs of generating reliable electricity using mostly or entirely wind and solar generators. These dominant costs are the costs of energy storage and/or backup, the costs of overbuilding, and the costs of additional transmission.

Meanwhile over in Europe, I doubt that many people are abandoning the green movement based on complex spreadsheet calculations of the costs involved. Rather, most of them are starting to face up to reality because of some combination of skyrocketing electricity bills and plans to ban gas heat and internal combustion cars.

The BBC reports here on the results of yesterday’s regional elections in the German states of Bavaria and Hesse. The swings in voter preferences were not huge, but still enough to be meaningful on the climate issue. For example, in Bavaria the BBC reports that the long-dominant CSU got 36.7% of the vote, and a second conservative party, the Free Voters (Freie Währen) expanded to 15%, while the Greens “slipped slightly” to 15% and the SPD (party of Chancellor Olaf Scholz) got only a “catastrophic” 8%. The BBC has this to say about the issues in the Bavarian election:

In an unusually ferocious campaign in Bavaria, conservatives and right-wingers railed against Berlin’s plans to phase out fossil fuel boilers and high levels of migration.

While this was not a one-issue referendum on green energy, still it is clear from the results that opposing green energy in at least some respects was definitely a positive rather than a negative among the electorate.

In Luxembourg, the swings were also mostly small, but included a gain for the conservatives matched with a dramatic loss for the Greens. Bloomberg reports on October 8 that the long-time ruling coalition of Democrats, Socialists and Greens got “toppled.” In a parliament of 60, the Conservatives upped their total to 21 seats, while the Greens went from 9 seats to just 4. The result is likely to be a governing coalition of the conservatives with other parties, but excluding the Greens, which could mean a significant shift in green energy policies.

Back here in the U.S., the Biden administration continues with its wrecking ball approach to destroying our energy economy. But as Europe is showing us, small changes voter preferences can change that quickly after the next election.
 

Met Office Warns: Extremely Wet Summer…After Warning Droughts Would Become More Frequent​


Climate science keeps contradicting itself

Climate change causing both wetter and drier summers? UK’s Met Office warned government that the 2024 summer could see 50 days of rain!In the summers of 2018 and 2022, for example, Europe was hit by drought, and government-paid experts and media blamed man-made climate change. Many claimed that drought would be the future for British and European summers.

For example, the UK’s Met Office warned:

As global temperatures rise, there is a risk drought will become more frequent in the UK. Data available here.
Winters across the UK are projected to get wetter, while summers are expected to become drier. However, it is the distribution of this rainfall that will determine future UK drought risk.
Today: prepare for “at least” 50 days of summer rain!

Ironically, it has just been reported by news site LBC here that the Met Office now has warned the government “to prepare for at least 50 days of rain in the next three months, leading to fears over further flooding in the UK and dashing any hopes of a warm British summer.”

All the talk of climate-change induced droughts has shifted to drenched summers!

“Last summer saw 40 days of rain, but the Met Office expects this summer to be even worse, jeopardising popular summer events such as Wimbledon, Trooping of the Colour, Royal Ascot and many festivals including Glastonbury,” LBC adds.

More rain and more drought in the summer

The reason for all the expected rain, according to the LBC site: global warming.

“Climate change is largely to blame for the UK’s wetter weather. As the atmosphere warms, it holds more moisture – around 7% for each degree.”

Ironically, the wettest ever summer ever in the UK occurred in 1912, which saw rainfall on more than 55 days. At the time, the UK was about a degree Celsius cooler and so the atmosphere was capable of holding 7% less water. Why would it rain more back then?

Met Office concedes forecasts are not possible

It’s becoming glaringly clear that climate science is indeed full of contradictions and theoretical errors. Climatic statements can’t be taken seriously anymore.

Hours later, the Met Office tried to backpedal, telling tyla.com here that it “has had to come forward to shut down reports that the UK is reportedly set for 50 days of rain this summer” and: “It is not possible to forecast a specific number of days of rain for the whole of summer.”

“When looking at forecasts beyond five days into the future, the chaotic nature of the atmosphere starts to come into play – small events currently over the Atlantic can have potentially significant impacts on our weather in the UK in several days’ or weeks’ time,” the Met Office told Tyla.
 
Abandoned farmland? I beg to defer

Farmers are being booted off their land in a drive for more solar power, former union chief warns​


The former head of Britain’s farming union yesterday spoke out against large-scale solar farms, declaring ‘there’s a huge amount not to like’.

But Minette Batters warned they will continue to be built while her members faced uncertainty about the future of dairy and arable farming – and while wealthy investors are free to buy up large chunks of the countryside.

Ms Batters, the ex-president of the National Farmers’ Union, also highlighted ‘horrific examples’ where tenant farmers are being booted off land for huge solar schemes so the landowner can make more money.

She said such changes of land use will continue while investors including overseas financiers and private equity firms are able to buy up huge chunks of the rural landscape unchecked, warning: ‘The country is up for sale’.

Ms Batters called for the next government to prioritise a new land strategy, so protections are given to traditional farming and its economic value is properly-acknowledged.

Ms Batters warned that solar farms will continue to be built while her members faced uncertainty about the future of dairy and arable farming (pictured: A proposed 1,400-acre site for a solar farm in Chickerell, Dorset)

She added: ‘We are a country up for sale. We are selling off land to people who don’t pay their taxes here. It does have to change.’

She said she could understand opposition to solar farms – but also had sympathy for farmers cashing in on such projects because they provide a guaranteed, index-linked income for decades.

‘You can understand at the moment, from a farmer’s perspective… £1,200 a hectare (per year), index-linked, locked in for 20 years, what’s not to like?’ she said.

‘For everybody else, there’s a huge amount not to like. This is the trouble with a solar farm. There will be one beneficiary.’

But Ms Batters said that in some cases, farmers themselves have been forced to leave their farms to make way for solar farms if they are tenants of larger landowners.

She said: ‘We are seeing horrific examples of some land owners taking land back from tenants to put into solar.’

Ms Batters criticised how land ownership by wealthy investors including private equity firms is being allowed to proliferate – and called for action.

Citing the debt-fuelled private equity takeover of supermarket chain Morrisons, which the Daily Mail campaigned against, she said: ‘We saw what happened with Morrisons. We might not have a British-owned supermarket in 10 years.

‘Now, private equity has moved into land. The country is up for sale.

‘I remember having a conversation with (former Chancellor) Kwasi Kwarteng. He said, you can’t be a free market one day and not the next.

‘We are a country up for sale. We are selling off land to people who don’t pay their taxes here. It does have to change.’

Ms Batters called for the next government to prioritise a new land strategy, so protections are given to traditional farming and its economic value is properly-acknowledged.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...e-solar-power-outgoing-union-chief-warns.html
 

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The Green Energy Reality​


I realize a certain portion of the population—having been programmed by half a century of over-the-top, anti-human propaganda—will have a single, predictable, knee-jerk reaction to anyone deconstructing the green energy myth: "You must be a Big Oil shill!"

It's particularly funny when the accusation is leveled at me, since I literally wrote the documentary on How Big Oil Conquered the World.

But even more to the point, I wrote the documentary on Why Big Oil Conquered the World, and those who have seen that documentary will know that the greatest trick the oligarchy ever pulled was convincing the public that all they were concerned with was oil. As those who delve deeply into the subject inevitably discover, the takeover of the world by these well-connected oiligarchs wasn't about oil at all. It was about power.

This is precisely why the Rockefellers have divested from oil and why Saudi Arabia is trying to pivot to their robot citizens and Neom nonsense and why BP and Exxon and all the other members of the oiligarchy are setting "net zero" pledges. It's because the green energy system of the future (and thus the global economy that relies on it) will be even more strictly controlled in the future, and those who are bringing this controlled, technocratic slave state of the future into reality are seeking to monopolize and control the resources of the earth.

To understand what is really happening here, we have to look past the low-level green energy propaganda that is meant for the fluoride-addled normies to lap up and look to the higher-level propaganda that is intended to bring the New World Order middle management up to speed on the new power paradigm. As usual, there's no better place to turn for precisely that type of propaganda than the pages of Foreign Affairs, the journal of the Council on Foreign Relations.

In a recent article on "The Green Upheaval," they plainly admit what the green energy push is really about: "Talk of a smooth transition to clean energy is fanciful: there is no way that the world can avoid major upheavals as it remakes the entire energy system, which is the lifeblood of the global economy and underpins the geopolitical order."

No, the green energy transition is not going to be a happy clappy cakewalk into a fantasy future, as the activists promise. And that particular rainbow will not lead to a multi-trillion-dollar pot of gold, as the Oxfordians promise. What it will do is radically upend the lives and livelihoods of every person on the planet by taking away the one thing that has done more than anything else in all of human history to empower the population to proclaim their independence from the oligarchs: access to cheap energy.

Yes, the renewable energy grid will utterly fail to provide the energy needed to power our modern postindustrial society. That's precisely the point. By making energy even more scarce, those with their hands on the energy spigot will have the ultimate control over society, deciding when, where and how to allocate scarce energy supplies to the public. Europeans who are wondering how they will be able to afford to heat their homes and businesses this winter are just starting to understand what this new "green" economy will really look like for those on the lower rungs of the economic ladder.

It is not difficult to discern the contours of the world that these energy transition advocates are driving us towards. It is a world in which all of the things we take for granted—the ability to travel freely, to buy and sell independently, to heat our own homes and even to turn on a lightbulb—will be privileges carefully rationed by our neofeudal overlords.

Think you'll be able to control the thermostat in your own home once the new economic overlords have their "smart" "green" energy grid in place? Think again.

Think you'll be able to eat as you normally do once the green mafia is in power? Think again.

Think you'll be able to use your hard-earned digital energy credits to buy whatever you like or travel wherever you want in the technocratic tyranny of the future? Think again.

Welcome to the Green Leap Forward, where you will own nothing, live in a hovel, face the possibility of freezing to death every winter and struggle to make ends meet . . . but you'll be happy! After all, you'll be allowed to eat ze bugs and use the energy ration that the global government doles out for you each day. And if that's not enough, then you can keep warm by vigorously patting yourself on the back for helping protect humanity from the wrath of the weather gods. You're saving the earth!
 
Beat cLIEmate change LOL...... This is so funny you dont know wether to laugh or cry. Beating cLIEmate change is like beating the rain, or beating the wind.

And then quoting the WEF.

No Svetz we will not eat ze bugz.

They'll have us eating zero bugs one way or another.

They have lots more bullshit planned.
 
They'll have us eating zero bugs one way or another.

They have lots more bullshit planned.
Nope I have liberal neighbors and a grill. Go ahead and eat your bugs. I may have a hot dog or 2 left for ppl stopping by Depends on catch of the day. No bugs except 2 legs. When ppl eat the rich they will earn respect. Until then we are beast of burden just as their religion describes.
 
Why did renewables become so cheap so fast?


Not a fan of Heller, he likes conspiracy theories over facts. When he brought
out a graph showing a 60 year trend rather than the last few months I called
BS cherry picking data and went to to look for a reputable site.

He blames it on Ben Norton (whoever he is), but turns out he's just a journalist
- someone that reports news. While a conspiracist likes a person to point
to and make a big deal of, I like the facts.

It looks like in March China did indeed drop 3% emissions.
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So, now that we have the fact established, let's deal with whether or not it's from renewables.

It is true China deployed more solar than every other country last year and in 2024 is trying to do it again. But is the 3% drop from renewables?

From Heller's video, the leveling off at the top of the graph looks consistent with the amount of renewables deployed. Here's some cutout's from Heller's graph, obviously coal consumption is decreasing and wind and solar are rapidly increasing (although he says they're making no progress and only had it up for a second.... so that seems false):
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Carbon Brief reported their thoughts on the 3% drop, their analysis said:

So, I'd have to say Norton is somewhat innocent in that he's just reporting the news.

But, I also don't buy that the 3% drop is totally from renewables. Since they are installing a lot of renewables obviously some of the drop must be from renewables. But the graph clearly show's China's monthly fluctuation of power usages is way more than 3%. For example, from the graph above the big dip in 2022 is from COVID. But the change from February to March is ridiculously large and probably more that they had a cold February/Winter and a "nice" March.

So, I'd have to say Norton's innocent (just a journalist and not an expert), the 3% drop in March is probably accurate, and that renewables contributed some, but warmer weather contributed more. But like Norton, I'm not an expert ; -). See also Primary, secondary, final, and useful energy.

The fact remains they are still building NEW coal powered plants at a very high rate ..... Their emissions dwarf those of the rest of the world and are going to continue to dwarf the rest of the worlds emissions.

IF it is actually true that the increase in GHG is causing dangerous levels of global warming .... It is pretty obvious to me where that increase is coming from.
The reality is that until China returns their output to their levels in the 90's nothing anyone else does is going to have any impact on the total GHG output of the world.
The renewable infrastructure they are creating just provides talking points for them and the rest of the China deniers.

Is it possible to prevent India from following the same path?
 
Nope I have liberal neighbors and a grill. Go ahead and eat your bugs. I may have a hot dog or 2 left for ppl stopping by Depends on catch of the day. No bugs except 2 legs. When ppl eat the rich they will earn respect. Until then we are beast of burden just as their religion describes.

Aren't they annoying? I'm going to put out a Trump 2024 sign and see what happens.

It would be nice if liberals practiced post-birth abortion on themselves from time to time.
 
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Aren't they annoying? I'm going to put out a Trump 2024 sign and see what happens.

It would be nice if liberals practiced post-birth abortion on themselves from time to time.
I’d be happy if they stayed in the liberal hell holes they created vs moving to my area and trying to ruin it.
 
The fact remains they are still building NEW coal powered plants at a very high rate .....
Heller's graph challenges that opinion, it shows coal stabilizing and then going down, which essentially means no new coal plants now, and a decrease in the future.
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Their emissions dwarf those of the rest of the world
and are going to continue to dwarf the rest of the
worlds emissions.
It depends on how you look at it. Take a gander at
the charts to the right.

I'm not saying China doesn't need to reduce emissions.
I'm saying we all need to reduce emissions.

Plus, saying China's room is messy when your room
is 17.6 on the messy scale and theirs is 6.4 is not only
hypocritical, but misdirectional BS.
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That's not aimed at you Bob, it's aimed at where you get one-sided news. They did the research, they just chose to present it in a way that favors what they want you to believe and ignored the rest.

Is it possible to prevent India from following the same path?
Given the LCOEs of renewables are lower I'd say maybe. The problem most countries face is the investment in the existing infrastructure is to large to abandon (investors would lose trillions). That's why they want to let the existing infrastructure age-out and then replace it; it's why we are doing a slow-roll to 2050 rather than as much as we can at once. India doesn't have many of those investments yet. China's massive efforts at deploying renewables are because they're at 6.4 per capita, but want to be at 17.6 like the U.S. to enjoy the same standard of living & economy. (Note that the per capita graph is emissions-based, so countries with a lot of nuclear or renewables (e.g., France) are actually much higher than China in terms of usage per capita).

While the age-out looks economically safer, it's also invited increased global warming which has increased hidden costs (e.g., weather). With the fossil fuel PR campaigns I suspect most politicians look at the IPCC's numbers and think they're on the high end...forgetting they might also be on the low end of the accuracy range.

Another problem is that as demand falls price falls, so as the world switches away from fossil fuels their prices fall, reducing fossil fuel LCOEs. Heck, fossil fuel companies can easily offer India sweetheart deals (e.g., give them a power plant in exchange for a 30 year fuel contract); that lets India get cheap power now rather than have to finance renewables which have higher up-front costs.
 
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