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Is it practical for me to live off grid with no electricity and with that internet?

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The only reason I am desperately trying to store electricity right now is to run the electrics on a diesel heater.

If I had land, which I am planning on getting, a couple of acres of woodland, I could build huts of wood, cook and keep warm all without electricity.

I am not allowed to cook and heat now with wood mostly due to restrictions of public places which would not be an issue with one's own land.

I do have income from an online business which I would want to login to collect every few weeks in order to pay for food and the general day to day stuff but eventually once I could grow my own crops (and accepting that could be years away to reach total self sufficiency) then I do not see the need for electricity.

In the meantime though I suppose that learning about how to grow stuff will make having internet very beneficial. I have a couple years experience volunteering at a place that grew and sold vegetables to the public but I am sure I have barely scratched the surface. I feel I know enough already though since I learned the whole process through a couple of seasons.
 
Living off grid with no electricity is easy it’s been done for thousands of years but with internet you will have to wait for the wood fired laptop to be invented
 
There's no such thing as self sufficieny. You're never going to achieve it so why make a bunch of arbitrary decisions leading to austerity and deprivation?
 
We are rural and off-grid, and adding to our self-sufficiency every day (becoming more self-sufficient in all areas of homesteading). So, yes, keep working towards getting some land (as unrestricted as possible), even though that might be harder for you in the UK vs. us in the USA. Yes, you can do it. Ignore all the naysayers, and just get there a step at a time, starting with that land purchase.

We are in a western state, whereas all the eastern (or highly populated) states are perhaps more like most of the UK (highly restricted, harder to do what you want).

We've kicked many "services" to the curb, cut the cord, etc. The advantage to this is we just don't have to deal with all the services' contracts, fees (money grabs) for who knows what, and so on. This is priceless to us, even if, comparatively, we work harder, or "pay more" for doing it on our own.

We are modern in our way of living, so electricity is still around, but we are our own utility service. We have several forms of broadband Internet access, wireless and cellular hotspot, so that's never a problem.

If you did want to do without 100% electricity, it seems you'd be going the "solar generator" route (purchased or diy) for power, and a cellular hotspot route for internet. Everything else is optional. Look at sites like permies.com, to help with all that other stuff.

Hope this helps ...
 
We are rural and off-grid, and adding to our self-sufficiency every day (becoming more self-sufficient in all areas of homesteading). So, yes, keep working towards getting some land (as unrestricted as possible), even though that might be harder for you in the UK vs. us in the USA. Yes, you can do it. Ignore all the naysayers, and just get there a step at a time, starting with that land purchase.

We are in a western state, whereas all the eastern (or highly populated) states are perhaps more like most of the UK (highly restricted, harder to do what you want).

We've kicked many "services" to the curb, cut the cord, etc. The advantage to this is we just don't have to deal with all the services' contracts, fees (money grabs) for who knows what, and so on. This is priceless to us, even if, comparatively, we work harder, or "pay more" for doing it on our own.

We are modern in our way of living, so electricity is still around, but we are our own utility service. We have several forms of broadband Internet access, wireless and cellular hotspot, so that's never a problem.

If you did want to do without 100% electricity, it seems you'd be going the "solar generator" route (purchased or diy) for power, and a cellular hotspot route for internet. Everything else is optional. Look at sites like permies.com, to help with all that other stuff.

Hope this helps ...
Indeed, most replies are "impossible don't try" with no explanation. That is not helpful. If they have what they feel are valid reasons for why it is unfeasible I want to know them to see if I would agree. Not just "don't you dare even attempt it". That just sounds like dogmatic thinking.

I am wanting to explore what the pros and cons are. What might be considered very hard to overcome and what is surmountable. As has been mentioned our ancestors did it for thousands of years so what is to stop anyone from doing it now? I am not saying there are not valid reasons and differences but I want to have a discussion of why if that is considered the case.

If it is a question of the shackles of contemporary society then the amish are still doing it aren't they? So what is the issue? Granted they have the advantage of community where I would not as I plan to solo it but not seeing any obvious insurmountables so far.

What do you mean by the solar generator comment? That is still using electricity :ROFLMAO:. If I did accept basic electrical use I would do it the DIY route like I am currently doing. Btw does wood always make you stink or can you get well contained fires that will limit the smell to almost nothing. I absolutely hate the smell of open fires and how it stinks your clothes for days so would definitely want to avoid that and want to keep electricity if there were not way to damp down the smell of wood burning to controllable levels. I think it can be not that bad as I grew up in a house with central heating powered by what is called a rayburn in the uk which is some big wood burner and do not recall stinking of smoke all the time.
 
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Look up Kris Harbour on YouTube. He's in the UK and did it.
Aye I have seen a couple of his videos in my research so far. Seems he had a very strong jumping off point to start from - owning a couple of houses and successful financially at a young age and bought some huge acreage. Not to say it makes it particularly more difficult without that but just recalling what I read of his story on his website.
 
Indeed, most replies are "impossible don't try" with no explanation. That is not helpful. If they have what they feel are valid reasons for why it is unfeasible I want to know them to see if I would agree. Not just "don't you dare even attempt it". That just sounds like dogmatic thinking.

I am wanting to explore what the pros and cons are. What might be considered very hard to overcome and what is surmountable. As has been mentioned our ancestors did it for thousands of years so what is to stop anyone from doing it now? I am not saying there are not valid reasons and differences but I want to have a discussion of why if that is considered the case.

The main reasons that it's almost impossible in the UK are planning laws and land availability, not to mention social responsibility.

Any sort of accommodation needs planning permission, as a general rule you won't get it outside an existing urban area without either a very special use case (e.g. Ben Law) or very deep pockets. Land with planning permission anywhere is expensive and getting planning permission is time consuming and tricky, especially in the sort of place I imagine that you are thinking of.

The affordable-ish off grid life styles are camper van or narrow boat. A beaten up van can be converted into accommodation fairly cheaply but you have the problem of where to park. We have relatives who tried this life style (mainly in Wales where it is easier) but have great difficulty finding parking places and were always being moved on. We live near a canal and there are narrow boats whose owners live a fairly off grid life but you still need money to buy the boat and the licence to keep it on the canal.

In our last house we approached an off grid life style. We had enough woodland to be self sufficient in heating enough solar to be nearly energy self sufficient, we had our own water supply and sewage handling system. The only direct service provided externally was telephone/internet. However that was an expensive property with 10 acres of woodland and 6 acres of other usable land. You can't do it with no money.


Even if you own a couple of acres of woodland and try to live under the radar you will find it almost impossible in the densely populated UK. Owning woodland doesn't give you the right to live there permanently. You can camp there for a while, but if anyone finds you and objects you will have problems. Nuisance laws still apply even outside urban areas, so if you make smoke with your wood burning it can still cause a nuisance and create problems for other people which may rebound on to you.

Another consideration is the amount of time and effort needed to maintain an off grid life style. Growing your own food takes time and effort and a suitable place. Growing and processing firewood is also very labour and time intensive. What do you do about water? Fetching water from a distant supply also takes time and effort. What about processing sewage? Are you just going to dig a hole and bury it? That's not going to work in the long term.
 
Btw does wood always make you stink or can you get well contained fires that will limit the smell to almost nothing. I absolutely hate the smell of open fires and how it stinks your clothes for days so would definitely want to avoid that and want to keep electricity if there were not way to damp down the smell of wood burning to controllable levels. I think it can be not that bad as I grew up in a house with central heating powered by what is called a rayburn in the uk which is some big wood burner and do not recall stinking of smoke all the time.

My wood stove in the house doesn't make the house or us stink at all. You might get the occasional poof of smoke smell if you operate the stove wrong, but that's it, and again, only when operated wrong. Twice a year at most.
 
When you get sick and go to the doctor are you going to tell them not use any electricity when they treat you?

You're going to spend all your time like the guy on the Led Zeppelin cover, wandering around with a bundle of sticks on your back. With only a couple acres of land you might have a hard time harvesting enough wood. Though I would look into masonry heaters, they are designed to use smaller pieces of wood, burned hot and rapidly for a short period of time, through a convoluted flue, and the heat gets stored in the masonry mass, and radiates throughout the day.

Arbitrarily forgoing electricity is kind of absurd. With a small solar system you can cook and have lighting year round without spending a lot time and effort you should use tending your crops and getting ready for winter. Are you going to be making your own candles? Beeswax or tallow?

Having a quiet life in the country is all well and good, but be real about how much work it takes to survive and how much of that is done for you by other people, and electricity.
 
The main reasons that it's almost impossible in the UK are planning laws and land availability, not to mention social responsibility.

Any sort of accommodation needs planning permission, as a general rule you won't get it outside an existing urban area without either a very special use case (e.g. Ben Law) or very deep pockets. Land with planning permission anywhere is expensive and getting planning permission is time consuming and tricky, especially in the sort of place I imagine that you are thinking of.

The affordable-ish off grid life styles are camper van or narrow boat. A beaten up van can be converted into accommodation fairly cheaply but you have the problem of where to park. We have relatives who tried this life style (mainly in Wales where it is easier) but have great difficulty finding parking places and were always being moved on. We live near a canal and there are narrow boats whose owners live a fairly off grid life but you still need money to buy the boat and the licence to keep it on the canal.

In our last house we approached an off grid life style. We had enough woodland to be self sufficient in heating enough solar to be nearly energy self sufficient, we had our own water supply and sewage handling system. The only direct service provided externally was telephone/internet. However that was an expensive property with 10 acres of woodland and 6 acres of other usable land. You can't do it with no money.


Even if you own a couple of acres of woodland and try to live under the radar you will find it almost impossible in the densely populated UK. Owning woodland doesn't give you the right to live there permanently. You can camp there for a while, but if anyone finds you and objects you will have problems. Nuisance laws still apply even outside urban areas, so if you make smoke with your wood burning it can still cause a nuisance and create problems for other people which may rebound on to you.

Another consideration is the amount of time and effort needed to maintain an off grid life style. Growing your own food takes time and effort and a suitable place. Growing and processing firewood is also very labour and time intensive. What do you do about water? Fetching water from a distant supply also takes time and effort. What about processing sewage? Are you just going to dig a hole and bury it? That's not going to work in the long term.
Having grown up in the country and living here now at my mum's I highly doubt anyone gives the slightest crap about another small fire in some remote woodland several hundred metres from them. Most people are burning their own wood fires at home now anyway. Farmers are burning who knows what day in day out on their land too and they don't get in trouble for it most times.
 
Look up Kris Harbour on YouTube. He's in the UK and did it.
Oh and he most definitely has electricity :LOL:. The hint is him recording hundreds of hours of his activities on HD camera and having a massively successful youtube channel.

I get you probably didn't mean that and just he made a successful life off grid. I am interested to know how he dealt with planning permission. I am not too inclined to wade through his videos to find out just now. As I mentioned earlier it seems like he was loaded so probably just paid for land with some planning permission already or something.

EDIT: Ok just found him discuss it here. That is good news as I have been looking in wales precisely because the one planet development seems like it is in line with what I would want to do.

I find his username interesting showing his computer nerd beginnings. As in he is not your usual dyed in the wool hippy crusty, which is clear watching any of his videos anyway. Just an average chap who chose a different way.
 
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Got you, I didn't realize you wanted to be off electricity entirely, not just off grid. Why?
 
Got you, I didn't realize you wanted to be off electricity entirely, not just off grid. Why?
Because simpler = better. It is also bugging me now that the hidden fuel cost of requiring electricity for heating is super underplayed. I did get that before I bought the diesel heating but I didn't know just how hard it would be to get enough electricity to cover enough to power electronics for heating. That is stupid imo. In this case you should consider most heating requiring two fuel sources - main one and electricity. No one really talks about the electricity requirements just assuming that it is a given you will have enough.

Diesel may well be very efficient to heat a space but is useless if you are unable to power the electricity to run it which is what I am finding now in the coldest days we've had in the uk this year as low as -8. So it fails right when I would want it the most. That just highlights the nuisance of relying on technology which has many moving parts.

I rediscovered a guy I came across in searching around the topic I guess years ago and interesting to see how he has developed and distilled his ideas.

Look at this video from 13 years ago. Then look at where he has got to in the past few years in this more recent interview.

Where he is at in the recent one is pretty much just what I have in mind. From the interview it sounds like he is trying to take it even further as he takes issue even with low impact agricultural farming and wants to go to total hunter gatherer style. Small vegatable crops will do me :).
 
I know at least one British family who bought house/farmstead here in Finland.

If you are not picky you can get house (with wood fireplaces of course!) and with enough garden to farm your food, your own well and solitude for less than 20k Eur here in southern Finland.

Running costs would be few hundred euros or two bottles of vodka to local farmer for years supply off firewood and 200-300eur for property tax.

Having said that I think it takes bit more to maintain 80 years old wood-heated countryside house in middle of nowhere when outdoor temps drop to -35C and your potatoes are frozen still in june compared to whining how ”much” electricity diesel heater needs when your momma brings you hot tea and cookies.
 
While the basis for a good movie, this whole “ back to the land” without anything was the thing in the late 60s & early 70s…
It sounds good in the brain while having a few tokes with some friends, but rarely ended well.

yes some can do it , but it was tough even back then in America with almost no laws, land for cheap and less than half the population of today…

Jerimiah Johnson made it look do-able ,maybe..!
Hatchet Jack was probably the reality For most.
 
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