2 Victron Quattro 48/10000 w/ RS 450/200 MPPT vs 2 EG4 18kpv

[solarHandyman]

Hi, I'm looking to upgrade my system and looking at either two EG4 18kpv or two Victron Quattro 48/10000 with the Smart Solar MPPT RS 450/200. Going with Victron system seems like the more robust option in terms of powering loads and surged capacity, although it will cost slightly more and has less PV input power. Signature Solar's videos show the EG4 18kpv shuts down a little over 60 amps AC output per phase. The Victron 48/10000 is rated to surge at 20000 watts, which would be 166 amps single phase. Two units (you need two for split phase) would surge at 40,000 watts. The Victron manual recommends a 400 amp DC breaker for the 48 volt battering input. Part of me really just wants to spend the extra couple thousand on the Victron units and have peace of mind.

 

[42OhmsPA]

Forget the victron and look at the Schneider XW Pro.

 

[1201]

Hi, I'm looking to upgrade my system and looking at either two EG4 18kpv or two Victron Quattro 48/10000 with the Smart Solar MPPT RS 450/200. Going with Victron system seems like the more robust option in terms of powering loads and surged capacity, although it will cost slightly more and has less PV input power. Signature Solar's videos show the EG4 18kpv shuts down a little over 60 amps AC output per phase. The Victron 48/10000 is rated to surge at 20000 watts, which would be 166 amps single phase. Two units (you need two for split phase) would surge at 40,000 watts. The Victron manual recommends a 400 amp DC breaker for the 48 volt battering input. Part of me really just wants to spend the extra couple thousand on the Victron units and have peace of mind.

Couple of thousand?

 

[1201]

I would go with the victron system

 

[pvgirl]

If you are in the US, and this is for a fixed install, where a code compliant, permitted and inspected install is required in most places, there will be issues using Victron equipment. In particular the larger Victron inverters are not listed to UL standards, listing is required by code. Also the solar charge controllers lack features required for NEC compliant installs, such as arc fault, ground fault protection, and the ability to use NEC compliant wiring methods, in addition to not all be listed to UL standards.

 

[1201]

If you are in the US, and this is for a fixed install, where a code compliant, permitted and inspected install is required in most places, there will be issues using Victron equipment. In particular the larger Victron inverters are not listed to UL standards, listing is required by code. Also the solar charge controllers lack features required for NEC compliant installs, such as arc fault, ground fault protection, and the ability to use NEC compliant wiring methods, in addition to not all be listed to UL standards.

Do you mind sharing where it says electrical equipment must be ul listed? I hear it a lot but I've never seen the code. Judy curious to read the language

 

[pvgirl]

Do you mind sharing where it says electrical equipment must be ul listed? I hear it a lot but I've never seen the code. Judy curious to read the language

In particular NEC 2017 690.4(B) For solar equipment, 706.5 for energy storage systems, 705.6 for grid interactive systems. UL 9540 listing requirement is in the IRC or IFC code.

 

[Brucey]

Couple of thousand?

The Victron actually comes out cheaper by $22. Unless he was budgeting for dual rs450/200s?

Two 10kVA quattro's - $8022

Victron 48V Quattro 10kVA 120V Inverter 140A Charger | Current Connected

The Victron Quattro 10kVA is a reliable, efficient power solution with inverter, charger, and advanced features for optimized energy management and control.

www.currentconnected.com

One RS 450/200 - $2154

Victron MPPT RS 450V/100A, 450V/200A SmartSolar Charge Controller | Current Connected

Optimize your solar energy generation with Victron's RS 450V MPPT Charge Controller. Programmable settings, seamless setup, & enhanced connectivity options.

www.currentconnected.com

Total of $10,176

Versus

Two eg4 18kpv - $10,198

EG4 18kPV | 48V 12kW All-in-One Hybrid Inverter | Current Connected

The EG4 18kPV Inverter combines grid-tied and off-grid functionality, eliminating the need for charge controllers or transformers!

www.currentconnected.com

Free shipping currently for orders over $8500.

 

[1201]

The Victron actually comes out cheaper by $22. Unless he was budgeting for dual rs450/200s?

Two 10kVA quattro's - $8022

Victron 48V Quattro 10kVA 120V Inverter 140A Charger | Current Connected

The Victron Quattro 10kVA is a reliable, efficient power solution with inverter, charger, and advanced features for optimized energy management and control.

www.currentconnected.com

One RS 450/200 - $2154

Victron MPPT RS 450V/100A, 450V/200A SmartSolar Charge Controller | Current Connected

Optimize your solar energy generation with Victron's RS 450V MPPT Charge Controller. Programmable settings, seamless setup, & enhanced connectivity options.

www.currentconnected.com

Total of $10,176

Versus

Two eg4 18kpv - $10,198

EG4 18kPV | 48V 12kW All-in-One Hybrid Inverter | Current Connected

The EG4 18kPV Inverter combines grid-tied and off-grid functionality, eliminating the need for charge controllers or transformers!

www.currentconnected.com

Free shipping currently for orders over $8500.

Not too far in price for an off grid system of you only need 11kw of pv. I think someone buying two 18kpvs will probably use a lot more than that . As I said I prefer the victron but you would still need a cerbo gx. Also I don't think the victron has a transfer switch.

 

[Brucey]

Not too far in price for an off grid system of you only need 11kw of pv. I think someone buying two 18kpvs will probably use a lot more than that . As I said I prefer the victron but you would still need a cerbo gx. Also I don't think the victron has a transfer switch.

The multiplus and Quattro have transfer switches, can be used as UPS. Quattro has two inputs (generator+grid, two gens). I don't think they have 200A pass thru like the eg4 tho.

 

[Zwy]

The multiplus and Quattro have transfer switches, can be used as UPS. Quattro has two inputs (generator+grid, two gens). I don't think they have 200A pass thru like the eg4 tho.

It should be 100A per leg, so if a pair it would be 200A.

 

[Brucey]

The Victron actually comes out cheaper by $22. Unless he was budgeting for dual rs450/200s?

Two 10kVA quattro's - $8022

Victron 48V Quattro 10kVA 120V Inverter 140A Charger | Current Connected

The Victron Quattro 10kVA is a reliable, efficient power solution with inverter, charger, and advanced features for optimized energy management and control.

www.currentconnected.com

One RS 450/200 - $2154

Victron MPPT RS 450V/100A, 450V/200A SmartSolar Charge Controller | Current Connected

Optimize your solar energy generation with Victron's RS 450V MPPT Charge Controller. Programmable settings, seamless setup, & enhanced connectivity options.

www.currentconnected.com

Total of $10,176

Versus

Two eg4 18kpv - $10,198

EG4 18kPV | 48V 12kW All-in-One Hybrid Inverter | Current Connected

The EG4 18kPV Inverter combines grid-tied and off-grid functionality, eliminating the need for charge controllers or transformers!

www.currentconnected.com

Free shipping currently for orders over $8500.

Just a quick update to my calculations after recent inverter price reduction:

Quattro 10kVA 120V is now $3610, down from previous $4011 (list price was around $4300 I think).

And rs450/200 seems to have dropped 10% to below $2k but not at every retailer.

 

[Zwy]

Just a quick update to my calculations after recent inverter price reduction:

Quattro 10kVA 120V is now $3610, down from previous $4011 (list price was around $4300 I think).

That sure is tempting........

I've been watching the reports on the NHX too. The Quattros would definitely allow complete off grid surge power.

 

[golfwisconsin]

It should be 100A per leg, so if a pair it would be 200A.

I don't think so, if split phase it would combine to 240v @100 amp

 

[Zwy]

I don't think so, if split phase it would combine to 240v @100 amp

Max feed thru current on each 10Kw Quattro is 2 x 100A. Second line under Features. Remember, we are discussing pass thru power, not inverter power.

https://www.currentconnected.com/product/victron-48v-quattro-10000va/

Also in the spec sheet here. https://currentconnected-wpimg.s3.u...10/21121620/QuattroSpecGuide3kVA-10kVA_CC.pdf

Inverter power is 10K VA at 25°C. The reason for 200A pass thru is each Quattro has 2 AC outputs.

For a pair of Quattros, actual pass thru would be 400A.

 

[golfwisconsin]

Can you define feed through current as it relates to AC 1 and AC 2

 

[Zwy]

Can you define feed through current as it relates to AC 1 and AC 2

I'm not sure what you are asking.

 

[Brucey]

Can you define feed through current as it relates to AC 1 and AC 2

Yes, can user power control on both ac inputs: