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5th day of no sun

In some places it is actually illegal to be self sufficient and off-grid... :cautious:
Now that would be a handy list to have for people coming here to do DIY only to realize they are not allowed to be free & independent of Big Corp Power Co's etc... What regressive parts of the world make it illegal ?
 
Now that would be a handy list to have for people coming here to do DIY only to realize they are not allowed to be free & independent of Big Corp Power Co's etc... What regressive parts of the world make it illegal ?
Many Cities, Counties, Municipalities in the U.S. :(
 
Update- Energizer bunny must be lurking in the basement as it is still going. There was some PV from the ambient light during the day that covered light loads and actually saw a few hundred watts charging the batteries. I'll be lucky if it was 1.5 Kwh of PV for the day.

I've been watching cell balance down here at the low end, certainly interesting which cells are lower in voltage down here. Not the ones I see that are lower at the high end. Battery at 50.8V (around 16%), inverters are set to switch to grid at 48V. I might even drop down to 46V to see how things go.

We have been running everything we normally would, just not doing laundry.
You could likely go down 44V safely, 43 tricker & 42 problems you don't want. Once cells are below 2.8, you will likely see "runners" racing to the bottom as they deviate. You don't want the BMS to do an LVD and not be able to recover if too low. Think of those who posted about a Dead Battery because they dropped them too low for the BMS to wakeup and take a charge.

I've managed to go 8 Days with no sun, no input just on my battery bank which hit 10% when I flipped on genny... That was a terrible 2 weeks of no sun last winter... My bank at that time was 1190AH / 30.5kWh.
 
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Now that would be a handy list to have for people coming here to do DIY only to realize they are not allowed to be free & independent of Big Corp Power Co's etc... What regressive parts of the world make it illegal ?

Not to get too much into politics here Steve ,but Canada has it's own share of crazy policies!

Especially in the last few years
 
Not to get too much into politics here Steve ,but Canada has it's own share of crazy policies!

Especially in the last few years
Hell YEAH, STOOPIDITY Knows no bounds... Its a Plague spreading across the globe at pace. I am No fan of the Stupid happening... It's like being in the passenger seat of a Car @ 120MPH, no brakes & headed straight into a concrete wall and nothing to be done... Thank Goodness my remaining lifespan isn't that long...

Mind you, if you buy an EV here, you get the rebate at Point of Sale so you only finance the post rebate price, no waiting and none of that having to owe X to get something back but it has its caps too. But what the heck, there isn't many choices or options like elsewhere in the world.
 
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Hell YEAH, STOOPIDITY Knows no bounds... Its a Plague spreading across the globe at pace. I am No fan of the Stupid happening... It's like being in the passenger seat of a Car @ 120MPH, no brakes & headed straight into a concrete wall and nothing to be done... Thank Goodness my remaining lifespan isn't that long...

It's alright for some ! ???
 
Awoke this morning and found we were still on battery power. Battery voltage was just above 49V but I noticed I had some B grade 280K cells that were just below 3.0V and starting to run. I decided to raise back to grid voltage to 49V and inverters switched over at about 6:15 AM.

Those cells will be heading to my golf cart and will be replaced in the future. The rest of the cells were still all balanced well, those are 280N's and B grade EVE 304's.

It was a good test, reinforced my decision on those B grade 280K cells. We learned we could go over 5 days of no sun if the heat pump isn't running and we go to propane.

I doubt we get much solar charging today, snow is on array and forecast said cloudy. I'm currently charging to 53V off the grid.
 
You could likely go down 44V safely, 43 tricker & 42 problems you don't want. Once cells are below 2.8, you will likely see "runners" racing to the bottom as they deviate. You don't want the BMS to do an LVD and not be able to recover if too low. Think of those who posted about a Dead Battery because they dropped them too low for the BMS to wakeup and take a charge.

I run a Batrium and I couldn't recall what I had set for low voltage disconnect so decided to go to 49V as I had a few cells in the 2.95V area. I think Batrium is set for 2.75V. Batrium would still be on, it just trips the ABB shunt trip breaker.

I've managed to go 8 Days with no sun, no input just on my battery bank which hit 10% when I flipped on genny... That was a terrible 2 weeks of no sun last winter... My bank at that time was 1190AH / 30.5kWh.
Impressive with a bank that size. If grid was down and we only powered what was needed, we could probably get close to that. I think I've seen as low as 7 Kwh/day as the lowest the house uses.
 
Think urban area. The more urban the more likely you are to run into AHJ, zoning, and regulations.
In the US I don't consider National Electric Code NEC, and UL as regulations. I look at them as safety instructions and minimum standards. When I was an apprentice years ago we were taught the NEC was the bare minimum. That has served me well.
It used to be the AHJ had all the power but I've seen that change to them just review of stamped engineered drawings and verification that it was installed to the drawings.
Always think safety first!
 
I run a Batrium and I couldn't recall what I had set for low voltage disconnect so decided to go to 49V as I had a few cells in the 2.95V area. I think Batrium is set for 2.75V. Batrium would still be on, it just trips the ABB shunt trip breaker.


Impressive with a bank that size. If grid was down and we only powered what was needed, we could probably get close to that. I think I've seen as low as 7 Kwh/day as the lowest the house uses.
As I have said far too many times, LFP has a designed Working Voltage of 3.000-3.400 which is where the deliverable AH are supposed to come from. Generally the "safe zone" is from 2.850 up to 3.425 with A cells. Once outside of the working range, running occurs. I set my LVD to 2.700 because if there is a heavy load when below 2.9 it can drop low "momentarily" so I account for a buffer.

My home uses on average 4kWh per day. sometimes a bit more or little less but not more that 1/2kWh. Everyone freaks at that but there is good reasons for it. I designed & built this house for High Efficiency, my walls are 9" thick, Roof is 12" thick. All Insulation is High Density Foam, I have a Cool Roof system tied into a Rainscreen siding system that provides not only a thermal break but passive cooling in summer and a heat buffer in winter. I tossed away my AC system as the house never gets above 27C/80F even when it is 37C/100F outside. In winter when it is -30C/-22F the house remains at 25C/77F inside and the heating system only runs for 4 hours within a 24 hour period. Yes it is all monitored & tracked.

My final version of Solar (now in progress) will be completed with 1470AH/37.6kWh.
 
As I have said far too many times, LFP has a designed Working Voltage of 3.000-3.400 which is where the deliverable AH are supposed to come from. Generally the "safe zone" is from 2.850 up to 3.425 with A cells. Once outside of the working range, running occurs. I set my LVD to 2.700 because if there is a heavy load when below 2.9 it can drop low "momentarily" so I account for a buffer.

My home uses on average 4kWh per day. sometimes a bit more or little less but not more that 1/2kWh. Everyone freaks at that but there is good reasons for it. I designed & built this house for High Efficiency, my walls are 9" thick, Roof is 12" thick. All Insulation is High Density Foam, I have a Cool Roof system tied into a Rainscreen siding system that provides not only a thermal break but passive cooling in summer and a heat buffer in winter. I tossed away my AC system as the house never gets above 27C/80F even when it is 37C/100F outside. In winter when it is -30C/-22F the house remains at 25C/77F inside and the heating system only runs for 4 hours within a 24 hour period. Yes it is all monitored & tracked.

My final version of Solar (now in progress) will be completed with 1470AH/37.6kWh.
Interesting. My house is typical 1960's build in the U.S. (Colorado urban) and I've done nothing really to make it more efficient other than mostly converting to LED Lighting. I use a max of about 20Kwh per day.... No AC - Swamp cooler in the summer, Natural Gas Furnace and Hot Water (I'd love to get rid of Natural Gas but that would also increase my Electrical usage).
 
That doesn't really answer my question, or how this makes a code compliant, permited, and inspected off-grid system illegal.
100% off grid new home in Florida, full permit package and a strict but fair planning dept.
So far so good, aiming for CO middle of next year. It can be done.
 
Interesting. My house is typical 1960's build in the U.S. (Colorado urban) and I've done nothing really to make it more efficient other than mostly converting to LED Lighting. I use a max of about 20Kwh per day.... No AC - Swamp cooler in the summer, Natural Gas Furnace and Hot Water (I'd love to get rid of Natural Gas but that would also increase my Electrical usage).
The truth is that Conservation is FAR cheaper than generation & storage. In the USA you now have the IRA program which includes a LOT of goodies to improve you home efficiency. A Large amount of people have no idea about it at all. I dug into it to help my GF (lives in Illinois caring for her elderly parents) and holy cow we discovered a LOT.

Rebates include home electrification and appliance rebates that will act as immediate discounts at the point of sale for low- and moderate-income households when making qualifying electrification purchases.

There’s also the home efficiency rebates program that rewards modeled energy savings of at least 20% or measured energy savings of at least 15%. So, if you save a specific amount of energy and have receipts, then you get a rebate. It’s not income-capped, but at least half of the program’s funding will go to low-income households.

A few Links to peruse (you may be surprised)

How much money can you get with the Inflation Reduction Act?​

 
The truth is that Conservation is FAR cheaper than generation & storage. In the USA you now have the IRA program which includes a LOT of goodies to improve you home efficiency. A Large amount of people have no idea about it at all. I dug into it to help my GF (lives in Illinois caring for her elderly parents) and holy cow we discovered a LOT.
As we speak the US House is trying to dismantle many of those programs.
 
As we speak the US House is trying to dismantle many of those programs.
Agreed BUT Politics = Toxic Hazard to be avoided in friendly social environments like here.
Universal Agreement pretty much by everyone, everywhere. All Politicians are the Lowest Form of life on this planet regardless of their parties, flag colours or other things... They're all scum ! They are only good for pissing people off.
 
The truth is that Conservation is FAR cheaper than generation & storage. In the USA you now have the IRA program which includes a LOT of goodies to improve you home efficiency. A Large amount of people have no idea about it at all. I dug into it to help my GF (lives in Illinois caring for her elderly parents) and holy cow we discovered a LOT.



A few Links to peruse (you may be surprised)

How much money can you get with the Inflation Reduction Act?​

Yep, on my list...in Colorado it's not going to be available until mid 2024 (I spoke with them last month) :(
 
Currently on day 5 of no sun, finally turned the heat pump off and turned on the furnace this morning. Battery is currently at 21% and we are using about 1%/hour. I finally turned the AC input on to the inverters, breaker has been off since March.
Same here...expecting two more days of dense clouds.

Switched over to grid yesterday. Charged the batteries up to 25% for backup if needed.

Winter is coming!

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100% off grid new home in Florida, full permit package and a strict but fair planning dept.
So far so good, aiming for CO middle of next year. It can be done.
Funny, I used to live in Florida. Don't anymore. Got tired of being flooded out of homes and had a home blown down by a hurricane. Your new home has to be off grid. You see, sea levels are rising and Florida's coast line is receding. Not to mention being surrounded by dead coral reefs that can't live in over 100 degree water. The utility companies can't produce reliable power for the state when every year the state is battered by major wind events and flooding causing billions in damages and uprooting lives. Oh yes, the PV panels on many homes get destroyed in these events. And rebuilding takes way more than a year, your looking at 5 years or more. Don't you find it funny as a Floridian that each year the State's citizens collect billions of dollars in Federal assistance for these disaster events and through the National Flood Insurance Program while those Americans living in states like California, Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, Colorado and more are blocked from realizing the benefits of a National Wildfire Insurance Program to protect homeowners. My Congressman, Darrel Issa, a fine man, opposes a Federal Wildfire Program because "for many years the State of California did not properly manage the Federal forest land in the state and that is why there are wildfires so the State has to bear the cost". Genius I say.
 
Agreed BUT Politics = Toxic Hazard to be avoided in friendly social environments like here.
Universal Agreement pretty much by everyone, everywhere. All Politicians are the Lowest Form of life on this planet regardless of their parties, flag colours or other things... They're all scum ! They are only good for pissing people off.
It really makes a LOT more sense once you actually look at the word...

Poly - Many, More than One
Ticks - Blood sucking parasites, members of the Arachnid family

Politics!
 

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