The Genetry Solar 12 kW idles at about 30 watts unloaded. There's a generally negative opinion about them, and in dealing with them I'd say it's earned. But not for the inverter. The inverter is 100% tank. Super solid machine and way under priced.
I agree with all but the last line.Imagine how many "my 800lbs inverter fell off the wall because I out 1x 1/4" Wood Screws in the wall"
Or "why do I keep running out of battery in the middle of the night?" "Because your inverter has way too much idle draw".
We can go round and round about it. At the end of the day, I agree that the LF inverter has its place, and is necessary, but its not for everybody, and not even for the majority of people.
I personally would rather have 2x HF inverters that can start my offgrid AC and Well pump, and maybe even add in a SoftStart to make my AC and equipment last longer, rather than have just 1x LF inverter that I have to rely on to survive.
There is certainly merit in having a backup, no argument there.I personally would rather have 2x HF inverters that can start my offgrid AC and Well pump, and maybe even add in a SoftStart to make my AC and equipment last longer, rather than have just 1x LF inverter that I have to rely on to survive.
I think a lot of those folks running their big loads with grid available will prob be surprised if there's a grid outage and their inverters can no longer deliver what they thought they could. Because surely they also spent that money to also have the same experience when grid is offline? The grid goes out and no air conditioning? I guess as long as grid stays up all is good. But for some that understand the tech, they want the performance to power loads without relying on the availability of the grid. Grid is nice to have but full performance can be obtained without it.You gotta think that most of the population is also grid tied, or at the very least grid assist. This is why I have 1x SolArk 12k (a 9kw HF inverter), and have no problem running my whole house, including a 5 ton AC, because the grid is there for my surge. And since the inverter is just pumping kWh's out and not getting the harsh surge, I expect it to last ATLEAST 5 years, and hopefully 10 or more.
The amount of people who are completely off-grid and need 50kW of LF surge capability are very few and far between. This is why companies are getting away from LF. Even newer appliances are needing less inrush current as the years go by, like inverter type mini-split air conditioners.
Oh it goes way beyond that.I think a lot of those folks running their big loads with grid available will prob be surprised if there's a grid outage and their inverters can no longer deliver what they thought they could.
The newest Quattro II 5kVA (currently only in 240V) has a listed idle of 18W. I'm assuming the larger Quattro IIs to come will also have a significantly lower idle versus the Quattro I's.So another user reported their ACTUAL 5kva Victron Quattro idle consumption of 55w
That is a 120v 4k LF inverter with toroidal transformer
@HighTechLab mentioned a high sigineer idle consumption but I contend with the following:
To achieve the equivalent 12k inverter capacity, one would need 3 of the 5kva Quattro (ignoring the 3 phase instead of split phase issue).
3x55w=165w
What am I missing? That’s also excluding MPPT which is separate.
To be clear. I’m not contending that the sigineer/Growatt are nearly as efficient, robust, or reliable as the Victron.
But if the biggest qualm is idle consumption.
And 12k and LF, it sounds like it’s part of the territory
I won't be surprised. My SolArk 12k purposely doesn't power my main panel (where the AC or dryer are at), it only powers the sub panel in the garage, with the lights, outlets, kitchen, and garage etc, and then backfeeds the main panel. In the event of a power outage, I will have no A/C.I think a lot of those folks running their big loads with grid available will prob be surprised if there's a grid outage and their inverters can no longer deliver what they thought they could. Because surely they also spent that money to also have the same experience when grid is offline? The grid goes out and no air conditioning? I guess as long as grid stays up all is good. But for some that understand the tech, they want the performance to power loads without relying on the availability of the grid. Grid is nice to have but full performance can be obtained without it.
Interesting - I looked them up, Genetrysolar.com they spec the 12kW LF at 48W idle consumption - impressive for a 12k LF. I notice they offer the 12k in various voltage (customer can choose) 24, 36, 48 60 (TBD) - I don't think I can even imagine a 12k running 24v - likely they derate the output to hold the amperage to acceptable levels. Interesting to see 36-volt. They say US assembly.The Genetry Solar 12 kW idles at about 30 watts unloaded. There's a generally negative opinion about them, and in dealing with them I'd say it's earned. But not for the inverter. The inverter is 100% tank. Super solid machine and way under priced.
I have two 12 kW installed on separate systems in the same building. 48 volts. These were desired by the customer and I installed them. They are NOT UL listed, so that may be a non-starter for some people. I have over 500 kWh through one of them so far with over 1000 hours of uptime. They start a 1 HP well pump no problem. They start a 4 ton A/C no problem. I have no complaints about the hardware.Interesting - I looked them up, Genetrysolar.com they spec the 12kW LF at 48W idle consumption - impressive for a 12k LF. I notice they offer the 12k in various voltage (customer can choose) 24, 36, 48 60 (TBD) - I don't think I can even imagine a 12k running 24v - likely they derate the output to hold the amperage to acceptable levels. Interesting to see 36-volt. They say US assembly.
At $2,999USD for the 12K - that is pretty solid value. List at 111 pounds, 125 shipping weight (ok must be LF)
Which model are you running?
Do you pair up two inverters or run a single?
How long have you been operating it - what loads do you handle with it?
Interesting,I have two 12 kW installed on separate systems in the same building. 48 volts. These were desired by the customer and I installed them. They are NOT UL listed, so that may be a non-starter for some people. I have over 500 kWh through one of them so far with over 1000 hours of uptime. They start a 1 HP well pump no problem. They start a 4 ton A/C no problem. I have no complaints about the hardware.
But the business side is bad. It's just a two man operation and they are struggling to meet demand. It took 4 months to get these inverters. I'm still waiting on a 6 kW.
Transfer Efficiency | 99% (yeah, the competition always lists this useless spec!) |
AC Charge Efficiency | ~72% (wonder why the competition never lists this!) |
Maximum Charge Current | approx. 120A @ 48v |
Don't worry, the SMA are also on my watch list!$3000 for that 12kW inverter.
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Another used one for $1750, so a pair (used) same price as Gentry (new)
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I think the jury is still out regarding the GS inverters as there are reports that they can't run some loads like certain washing machines. Also, they use aluminum transformer windings to reduce weight but I wonder about the durability vs copper.The Genetry Solar 12 kW idles at about 30 watts unloaded. There's a generally negative opinion about them, and in dealing with them I'd say it's earned. But not for the inverter. The inverter is 100% tank. Super solid machine and way under priced.
"12,000W
Split Phase: 240v @ 50A (or 120v @ 50A from both L1-N and L2-N)
Single Phase: not supported. (The transformer can physically do 120v
single-phase, but none of the AC output circuitry is rated for 100A)NOTE: Inverter alarms are based on amperage, not wattage"
OK, how much 120V single phase current CAN it do?
Oh, I think it means 50A on L1, 50A on L2, 50A on N.
Surge wattage may be available at 120V (double current), but steady state 6000W not 12000W on one phase.
I think the jury is still out regarding the GS inverters as there are reports that they can't run some loads like certain washing machines. Also, they use aluminum transformer windings to reduce weight but I wonder about the durability vs copper.
A washing machine is a pretty light load in my world, the Dryer on the other had, yeah, nothing like starting up a 120v motor and a 240v heating element simultaneously...only my big air compressor is more demanding than the Dryer. In fact I pay attention to avoid cycling the compressor and the dryer at the same time if possible.I think the jury is still out regarding the GS inverters as there are reports that they can't run some loads like certain washing machines.