Unboxing of Deye 16K Hybrid Inverter

[misterbubbacat]

Dear lord will you do any research? It has a 200a breaker because it supports 200a of bypass current from the grid. Something the Deye could only dream of doing.

Sir, Please clam down. Take a deep breath and exhale, relax this is just a DIY chat forum. A Hybrid Inverter design, consist of discrete sub-system namely the GRID, LOAD and GEN. Each with it's own circuit breaker. I've directed the question to Tom, asking the logic for an oversize 200A breaker for a 50A 12KW RATED LOAD, not the 200A GRID passthrough. It's all in CAP, just in case of confusion. Please read, before you jump the gun. Thank you.



BTW, Deye manufactured both the 16K, SunSynk 16K with 200A pass-thru and your beloved 15K too. ?

 

[Danke]

Dang, CA charges sales tax for solar equipment?


Two 16Ks paralleled would be split phase, right? That would be a nice setup

 

[XO4001]

Two 16Ks paralleled

That would be 32K single phase.

 

[Danke]

That would be 32K single phase.

Ok, thanks. I thought Growatt did something like that with two inverters?

 

[XO4001]

If they where output 120V then yes, but they output 230 or 240V.

 

[Danke]

One more comment then I’m through. Even at $8250 that would be $5775 out of pocket with the FTC. And you seems you always fail to mention the auto transformer. Add another $1000 to your total. I’m not even sure you can take the FTC on non UL equipment.

I received a Sol-Ark for $8,100, no sales tax or shipping charge. So $5670 after FTC.

 

[629658]

I received a Sol-Ark for $8,150, no sales tax or shipping charge. So $5705 after FTC.

Sounds like a deal to me

 

[Danke]

Sounds like a deal to me

Correction, it was $8100.

 

[629658]

Correction, it was $8100.

Even better

 

[OutlawSolar]

$2,900 fits my budget better. I can spend the rest of the money on a 30Kwh battery rack that Signature Solar has on sale. It'll be a very decent system for my need.

1. CA Sales Tax average 10.5% + $8,250 (MSRP) = $ 9,116.25 This are grade 1 math, not Differential Equations.

2. Split-phase Sol-Ark 15 UL 1741 SA Listed, Backup Critical Load -> 12KW, Grid Sell -> 15KW, Avg MSRP $8,250
Single-phase Deye 16, Non UL Listed, Backup Critical Load -> 16KW, Grid Sell -> 16KW, Avg MSRP $2,900

 

[misterbubbacat]

$2,900 fits my budget better. I can spend the rest of the money on a 30Kwh battery rack that Signature Solar has on sale. It'll be a very decent system for my need.

1. CA Sales Tax average 10.5% + $8,250 (MSRP) = $ 9,116.25 This are grade 1 math, not Differential Equations.

2. Split-phase Sol-Ark 15 UL 1741 SA Listed, Backup Critical Load -> 12KW, Grid Sell -> 15KW, Avg MSRP $8,250
Single-phase Deye 16, Non UL Listed, Backup Critical Load -> 16KW, Grid Sell -> 16KW, Avg MSRP $2,900

With 30% Federal Tax credit, you're looking at $2,030, overall better build products compared to Growatts & MPP Solar pricing and advanced functionality like a Sol-Ark (Parallel, Smart Load, Peak shaving, AC Coupling with Micro Inverters and or Grid-Tie Inverter), Time-of-Use Grid mitigation and so on) at basement bargain DIYer friendly pricing. Do remember that you'll need a Autotransformer to provide Load Balancing and the Neutral for Split-phase 120V~240V operation. Signature Solar offer the best pricing in Autotransformer, and they do not charge out of state sales tax if products are shipped outside of Texas.

Growatt 11.4KW Split-phase Autotransformer $498.00

Growatt 11.4K Split Phase Transformer | ATS 11400T-US

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Victron 24KW Split-phase Autotransformer $598.00

Victron Autotransformer 120/240V-100A

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Disclosure: I'm not affiliated with Signature Solar and have no financial gains. James Showater and crews are good guys from Texas. ?

With the Growatt 11.4K, you'll loose about 4.6KW at 240V pass through, while the Victron 100A will be 8KW larger than the 16KW on LOAD. Both Transformer offers a separate Input and Output connections. The Victron offers an added advantage of 100A circuit breaker and a built-in fan for ventilation.

Both of these AT offers the peace of mind that your 120V circuits attached appliance will not be damaged when you lost the Neutral, all you get is a power outage ?

With both of these Autotransformer, the 16KW LOAD output from the Inverter can be wired directly into the 100A circuit breaker (Victron) and a separate L1,L2 and N out to your Main Panel/Critical LOAD panel. The Neural will only be used on 120V circuits with full LOAD Balancing between the Split-phase L1-120V/L2-120V, the 240V circuits will be in by-pass mode without touching the Neutral. The Growatt offers a larger 42A on the L-N supporting 120V*42A=5,040W and total of 10,080W (10KW) Split-phase while the Victron offers a slightly smaller 32A on the L-N 120V*32A=3,840W and total of 7,680W (7.68KW) Split-phase. The Victron offers the full 16KW on the 240V circuits, while the Growatt offers 11.4KW on the 240V circuits. Personally, the 100 bucks for the higher quality and full 16KW pays for itself. 7.68KW for 120V load is plentiful for my application.

 

[misterbubbacat]

Dang, CA charges sales tax for solar equipment?


Two 16Ks paralleled would be split phase, right? That would be a nice setup

Yes, CA sales tax and gas price are outrageous, highest in the nation ?

The 16K are Single-phase 230V Inverters and WILL NEED a Autotransformer to provide a Split-phase L1-120V~L2-120V and Neutral application. However, the Inverter itself can be parallel to provider larger power output, example parallel 2*16KW will provide a massive 32KW.

I guess you're confused with the 120V Inverters like the 6KW MPP Solar where you can wire 2*6KW, each 6KW Inverter to both L1 and L2 to provide 240V and 120V. with a total of 12KW.

 

[misterbubbacat]

Look man we all know you think that thing is better than a good woman. We like our women and you like your Deye. We aren’t going to divorce our women no matter how many pretty pictures you post.

I'm sorry man, please ignore those sexy inverter porn pics that I've posted and stick with your women. ?

PS: You can skin a cat 50 ways as you have mentioned earlier, but this Axe welding cat have 9 lives & have sexy babes ?

 

[misterbubbacat]

Shows how much you know about the subject you object to so much.
You just earned yourself a mute.
Don’t have time to waste on WOOs
Keep grinding that axe. It will keep you warm at night.

I don't claim to know everything, but I do know a thing or two. I've no objection to Sol-Ark products and I've used them, but I'm questioning the strong arm tactics of preventing even the OEM manufacturer that manufactured their products out of the US market. They wanted the entire market to themself. They tried to litigate with Nasdaq listed NeoVolta, another Solar ESS manufacturer based in San Diego, CA who's CEO is a retired veteran, a Colonel with the US Army. https://www.linkedin.com/in/brent-willson NeoVolta have an exclusive agreement with a indemnity with Deye to use the Deye OEM 8K in their Tesla Powerwall like ESS system. NeoVolta counter sue Portable Solar LLC (Sol-Ark). Enriching his pocket book to prevent the DIY from access to the lower cost version of the Hybrid inverter.

Yes, Sol-Ark does provide US based support out of Plano, TX and they do charge a premium price, that's fine. They are in the market to make money. America is at the epitome of free enterprise and competition. If you see a Day's Inn, there will be a couple more brand in the vicinity.

Riding the coat tail of the Chinese and not being innovative is certainly not a smart business move. The Chinese Inverter manufacturer are watching and eyeing the American Hybrid market that Portable Solar LLC owns at the moment. Megarevo have release a half-cook product and users are facing frustrations. The next entry is Luxe power, recently launched a 12KW Hybrid UL Listed with a more user friendly UI just like Deye/Sol-Ark. Just take note of the 40 over pages of chat on this DIY Solar forum, they do have their share of issues, but the manufacturer are addressing.

Just to add salt to the wound, the CEO of Portable Solar LLC posted a pic of himself in a private jet , telling the world that the high price and strong arm tactics is paying off handsomely. Soon after I posted his profile pic the pics was discreetly updated with a portrait of head shot. Go figure. Be humble goes a long way.

It's a matter of time, another Chinese manufacturer will market a comparable product at a affordable price with US local support. Look at what happen to MySpace after Facebook comes up with a better product.

No, you were not successful in muting me coz I talk loud. But thanks for the axe grinding reminder, I just brought me a bigger and higher RMP AXE grinder this Cyber Monday sale. The constant Axe griding has raised the room temperature by more than 10 degree and save me some battery SOC and keep my toasty all night.

Have a nice day. What I rant is NOBODY's BUSINESS, is my First Amendment right as an American ???

 

[misterbubbacat]

Interesting thread, are you planning to connect the CT and use feed back to the grid or would you be off grid?

I do have two large 200A CT from Sol-Ark clamp to the 2/0 L1 & L2 from the GRID. The parallel Inverters have GRID SELL disable, as I do not send any power back to the GRID. Operating in self-consumption mode. When the Battery are fully charged by Noon, the entire PV array will be throttle down into idle mode; supplying power to LOAD. I have a Smart EV charger from Emporia that I can turn on and programmed schedule off. Most of the time, I've the GRID side circuit breaker turned off. The GRID provider does charge a Min. usage fee for non-usage, typically around 4~5 bucks a month. The GRID is acting as a backup power source if all things fail.

 

[misterbubbacat]

How much difference in price is there between that Deye 16K + the autotransformer and the Sol-Ark 15k?

 

[OutlawSolar]

Wondering how is this inverter performing so far?
Does it work OK with 240v grid?
Any problem with using an auto transformer?

 

[misterbubbacat]

Wondering how is this inverter performing so far?
Does it work OK with 240v grid?
Any problem with using an auto transformer?

I've the Victron 100A autotransformer on order. I'm also waiting for a shipment of 8*15.36KW LFP battery from overseas for the new install. I will post update when I have a chance with the new install.

 

[629658]

Wondering how is this inverter performing so far?
Does it work OK with 240v grid?
Any problem with using an auto transformer?

Won’t pass inspection

 

[van-traveler86]

This is awesome i was waiting for someone to do this setup with this solark.... i mean deye inverter. Im sure it is going to work flawlessly as soon as you finish im going to buy a few of those, thanks.